Vice President Joe Biden, known for his support of same-sex marriage, has released a statement blasting ‚Äúreligious condemnation‚ÄĚ of homosexuality.
His statement has prompted a flood of criticism, including the assertion that the homosexual-rights movement wants ‚Äúcomplete and total domination, which is exactly what Obama and his minions are giving them.‚ÄĚ
Biden‚Äôs statement was issued May 17 on the ‚ÄúInternational Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia.‚ÄĚ
He equated ‚Äúreligious condemnation‚ÄĚ of homosexuality with ‚Äúviolence with impunity, mistreatment by police, the denial of healthcare ‚Ä¶ and social isolation.‚ÄĚ...
vine dresser wrote: And as Bob says these are CEOs with a rotten buisness plan. And rotten wages Rom 6:23. Love of money' Biden. Partner in RCC buisness-does his slick ad for this evil buisness model.
I agree that Biden and the RCC are interested in money, but the RCC will step up to the plate from time to time. Not just in the Irish vote, but even when it will hurt them in the geopolitical pocketbook
[URL=http://www.christiantoday.com/article/pope.francis.refuses.gay.french.ambassador.to.the.vatican/51991.htm]]]Pope rejects openly gay French ambassador[/URL]
John Yurich USA wrote: So the Catholic doctrines of the Bible is the Word of God, that Jesus is God, that God is a Holy Trinity are all wrong and unscriptural?
And the Lord's Prayer, prayers to Jesus and the words of Jesus from the Last Supper are all unscriptural parts to the Mass?
JohnY I trust you know this thread is about Joe Biden vs the Bible on homosexuality
Hopefully you can see the difference between whatever Joe Biden's opinion of homosexuality (does he misquote the Bible as many others do to promote his interpretation or agenda?) vesus what God Himself in the Bible says about it.
This is very similar to you imagining since the RCC makes statements regarding the Bible, Jesus Christ, "the Lord's prayer" they must be Biblical. So let me add my encouragement along with Christopher000's that you actually study the matter out. Humbly honestly apply yourself to 2 Tim 2:15
If you are honest I cannot help but think you will see there is an enormous difference between Scripture saying the Bible is the word of God (treating God's word as LAW that God expects to be believed and obeyed) and how the RCC has treated the Bible as a useful inspired book to be intermessed with its Traditions and teachings of the RC Magisterium
Joe Biden? Who's that? Oh, the token VP who's too embarassing to be allowed to speak in public about the current administration and current events in an official capacity because of his foot in mouth disease? He's a joke and grossly misinformed on any topic.
John, the questions you ask have been answered 1000x which makes me think you never bother to consider or research the answers; not really caring either way. You pick apart the "scriptural" parts as your defense to remain in comfort, while completely ignoring the much bigger picture and sinister aspects of what your system really teaches, defends, invents, and commands. Whether or not the bible is read from (mechanically) at each mass, doesn't matter when the mass itself is a Purgatorial indulgence and a literal, effectual, continual resacrifice of Christ because his finished work on the cross just wasn't sufficient as He thought and taught. God was wrong so man is helping him out. You can ignore this or that all you want, but you're only soothing your own mind and not fooling God. I cant hang out at strip joints and imagine the girls are not taking their cloths off, etc. to make myself feel better about being there.
Dave wrote: Please people ignore these deluded catholic doctrines, all of em. They are wrong plain and simple. According to yshua.
So the Catholic doctrines of the Bible is the Word of God, that Jesus is God, that God is a Holy Trinity are all wrong and unscriptural? And the Lord's Prayer, prayers to Jesus and the words of Jesus from the Last Supper are all unscriptural parts to the Mass?
For the record: No church is required to submit for 5013c status. The church is automatically free under our constitution. All gifts given to a free or un-incorporated church are tax-free. The government can make no law imposing upon the free-church in America. 5013c is a privilege you apply for, not a right.
If you are a 5013c church, then Christ is not the Head of your church. The US government is the head of your church. Technically speaking, your non-profit exists for the public good. Thus you cannot even claim that your God is above another religion's god. So the next time you look at your pastor in the pulpit, and see the US flag on stage, understand. Our 5013c churches are no better off than the officially recognized Chinese state churches that have a picture of chairman Mao next to the Christian flag.
Your pastor is not a pastor of a church, but he is the CEO of your non-profit. That is why you have a business meeting with the board. And if anything goes wrong with the 5013c entity, then the government can take their property back, imprison your pastor and trusties, and all members of the church if they wish to do so. ou can not plead ignorant of not knowing what you can do or can't do as a non-profit. Christ's Bride is pure!
Passerby wrote: question. 501(3c) privilege seen as a way..
No incorporated tax-exempt "church" can honestly claim that it is operating under the fundamental doctrine of the Sole Authority of the Scriptures. Incorporated tax-exempt churches have by their contract not only placed the Bible under their corporate charter, but also under the Internal Revenue Code in authority. By seeking tax exemption under IRC 501(c)3 the incorporated churches have lumped themselves together with secular and pagan organizations (most of which are allowed to lobby to influence legislation under an exception clause not offered to churches; see 501(h)(5)); and have made an agreement with the government not to ‚Äúcarry on propaganda‚ÄĚ (not defined in the IR Code, but defined in the BJU case quoted above as speaking out against "prevailing Federal public policy") or to ‚Äúattempt to influence legislation.‚ÄĚ [URL=http://playpdf.sa-media.com/media/11110831580/11110831580.pdf]]]Sam Adams paper explains 501c3 sellout on SA[/URL]
THE central issue concerning church incorporation, based on Ephesians 1:22, (also Matt. 16:18, Col. 1;18, and Eph. 5:23) is that the Lord Jesus Christ has sole jurisdiction and authority over the Church in all matters;
Excerpt from Notes of Synod RP Ireland and Scotland to their American brethren: 1830's "The law of nature, which defines the rights and duties of man, is fully ascertained in the revealed moral law. The republication of this law in the Scriptures is accompanied with seals of its divine authority, imposing an indispensible obligation upon the individuals and communities to whom it is made known, to acknowledge and obey it, and constituting the rejection of it, a heinous immorality. In the Holy Scriptures precepts are addressed to civil society and its rulers with all the authority of God, and of Jesus Christ, his High Plenipotentiary. A community enjoying revelation, as the people of the United States have done, and refusing to acknowledge it, and promoting to legislative, judicial, and executive power, persons destitute of the qualifications it prescribes, acts an immoral part. The circumstance of the moral law being revealed in the Scriptures does not found this law upon grace; nor is magistracy founded upon grace, when placed under the regulation of the clearly revealed moral law; or when in connection with a special dispensation of mercy, it is put under the feet of the ‚Äėhead of all principality and power.‚Äô [Col. 2.10]."
Passerby wrote: I am not sure how to frame my question. But was this 501(3c) privilege seen as a way to invoke God's blessings upon our nation due to tithing? Got it! Was our government doing this initially to tithe?
Or, was this a way of separating the rule and image of God and Caesar; church and state? Even showing how Christians are obedient servants?
Unprofitable Servant wrote: dissolving your 501c3 status
Better: not getting involved with this scheme at all
Incorporated tax-exempt churches have by their contract not only placed the Bible under their corporate charter, but also under the Internal Revenue Code in authority. NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS. Neither can the Church. Many pastors and churches have awakened and repented of their blatant, willful ignorance and now see that it is wrong, immoral, idolatrous, unbiblical and sinful to allow the Church to be organized as a 501(c)3 tax-exempt corporation (or any other similar statutory tax-exempt organization) and are now standing up for the Lordship of Christ over His Church no matter what the cost. The main reason for their conviction is the premise that Christ alone is the one and only authority over the Church, as found in Ephesians 1:19-23:
Unprofitable Servant wrote: --- IMHO, the SCOTUS will continue to rule as they have every other time the issue came up because they are BIG on precedent and say it is up to the states. Having said that it is just a matter of time before other federal judges throw out the laws in the 13 states that are left with laws against "gay" marriage and in essence make it legal in all 50.
When the judges make law, and the executive branch bureaus make law, one wonders what the Congress does, and why they are not impeaching, removing for bad behavior, nullifying, or whatever it takes to restore their authority?
Big Bob wrote: Well Guys, You can yap all day about what Biden said,...
"Cases have dealt with this issue. In Taylor v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, the United States Tax Court agreed that, under section 508(c)(1) of the tax code churches do not have to apply for tax exempt status and are considered automatically exempt. But the court also stated, ‚ÄúNothing in section 508(c)(1) relieves a church from having to meet the requirements of section 501(c)(3).‚ÄĚ Basically what the Taylor court was saying is that churches are still subject to the restrictions in section 501(c)(3) of the tax code even if they never apply to the IRS for recognition of tax exempt status."
Looks like dissolving your 501c3 status, a great idea, will not matter in the eyes of the court as to the application of the law.
IMHO, the SCOTUS will continue to rule as they have every other time the issue came up because they are BIG on precedent and say it is up to the states. Having said that it is just a matter of time before other federal judges throw out the laws in the 13 states that are left with laws against "gay" marriage and in essence make it legal in all 50.
Jim Lincoln wrote: John Y., doesn't realize the great acceptance of homosexuality in the Romish Church comes from having so many homsexual priests, [URL=http://townhall.com/columnists/joelmowbray/2002/03/26/homosexuality_a_factor_in_sex_abuse_by_priests]]]http://townhall.com/columnists/joelmowbray/2002/03/26/homosexuality_a_factor_in_sex_abuse_by_priests[/URL] This was written by a life-long Catholic, by the way. So, John Y., accepting leadership figures as ultra-normal, i.e., priests comes as second nature to Romish laity. "Do as I say, not do as I do!" Falls on deaf ears, and they just accept what priests are doing as natural. Oh, [URL=http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4239287.htm]]]http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4239287.htm (Royal Commission hears Cardinal Pell offered victim bribe to keep clerical sex abuse quiet)[/URL]. Now, John Y., you know this probably true.
It does not matter one iota that a lot of the Catholic laity support abortion, homosexuality and artificial birth control because the Catholic Church if officially against abortion, homosexuality and artificial birth control. All the homosexual priests should be kicked out of the priesthood.
Moderator Beta, Why was my post removed? It fell in line with the rules.
Well Guys, You can yap all day about what Biden said, but you better be ready for the Supreme Court's decision to legalize gay marriage. All pastors who have 501(3c) churches will have to comply with the law because they must do what the state requires them to do. There are only two choices for churches: remain a state church (5013c) and become a Sodomite church or dissolve your 5013c and become a free church. If you are not discussing this issue with your church officers and the people, then you are not prepared. When Tom and Jerry show up at your church the Sunday afterwards holding hands and kissing each other in front of your families and kids, there will be nothing that you can do about it......and by the way Pastor...how about a job as your assistant pastor...
There is a bunch of tough talk going around, but it will be of no use in front of a judge because the judge will remind you that you are an officer of the corporation, and thus an officer of the State and you must carry out your fiduciary duties accordingly to the terms of the law.
Joyful wrote: Glad Otten gives a summary ! This is a HUGE book : Example quote " ‚ÄúThe cardinal went out of his way to state that the norms expressed in the document do not apply to already ordained homosexuals...like his predecessor, Pope John Paul II, has no plans to clean house and mount a serious attack on the Homosexual Collective within the Roman Catholic priesthood and religious life‚ÄĚ (1172). Wow page 1172! Engle sells this tome in 5 volumes. I prefer the pamphlet overview so as to get back to the Bible. Like passerby says most of us don't need all the details to mark&avoid. Tho this guy says his details are to overcome those who try to say it ain't true. Looks like there is absolute proof of the thesis, tho.
I'm almost certain that Passerby's post was referring to the article "The Ride of Sodomy-HomosexualRomanCatholics, etc. It's a good post.
The RCC is in God's plan to agitate the true church purchased by God's own blood. Let's thank God for the blood.
Mike wrote: Old Joe has always suffered from hoof in mouth
I think Biden belongs to the RC Church. I don't know if he follows its doctrines and beliefs, but he certainly is weak in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. But like 90% of the politicians they truly don't have Christ Jesus a Lord and Savior.
Homonauseated wrote: [URL=http://www.newengelpublishing.com/pages/christian-news-book-review-by-rev-herman-otten.html]]]The Rite of Sodomy‚ÄďHomosexualRomanCatholics:Engle[/URL] Review of Book The subversion of the Church and the undermining of its doctrines by the homosexual movement is real and ongoing and for the most part, ... ‚ÄúThe fact that this book took over a decade to research and five years to complete the final text, ..
Glad Otten gives a summary ! This is a HUGE book : Example quote " ‚ÄúThe cardinal went out of his way to state that the norms expressed in the document do not apply to already ordained homosexuals...like his predecessor, Pope John Paul II, has no plans to clean house and mount a serious attack on the Homosexual Collective within the Roman Catholic priesthood and religious life‚ÄĚ (1172). Wow page 1172! Engle sells this tome in 5 volumes. I prefer the pamphlet overview so as to get back to the Bible. Like passerby says most of us don't need all the details to mark&avoid. Tho this guy says his details are to overcome those who try to say it ain't true. Looks like there is absolute proof of the thesis, tho.