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Choice News THURSDAY, APR 30, 2015  |  37 comments  |  1 commentary
‘We will not obey’: Christian leaders threaten civil disobedience

“We will not obey.”

That’s the blunt warning a group of prominent religious leaders is sending to the Supreme Court of the United States as they consider same-sex marriage.

“We respectfully warn the Supreme Court not to cross that line,” read a document titled, Pledge in Solidarity to Defend Marriage. “We stand united together in defense of marriage. Make no mistake about our resolve.”

“While there are many things we can endure, redefining marriage is so fundamental to the natural order and the common good that this is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross,” the pledge states. ...


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News Item5/3/15 10:02 AM
Mourner  Find all comments by Mourner
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

I thought it good to read the first text that comes to mind in context. Interestingly it was the religious establishment that had imprisoned and threatened the apostles; and it was to them that this statement was made. It was at this time that Gamaliel exhorted
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:

39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

40 And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.

41 And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.

42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

@ Carl in Greensboro , Isn't it meet that we, each of us ought contend for the truth in our place, calling and station? We are not all called to ministry or the civil sphere. If we concern ourselves with the calling God has given us, won't we still have ample opportunity to contend for t

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News Item5/1/15 5:42 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
I'm looking at the list of names and some supported the military industrial complex that tracks our every move, they signed their names to the 501c3 corporate status for their churches. For these reasons, they have long since been any kind of leader for me. But I will say that I support their boldness, I pray that they glorify Christ and not use their assumed large evangelical lobby as some kind of rod to push over the wall of persecution. The whole moral majority bit is long over, and we need to get to biblical means and Holy Spirit empowered speech. The lawyer had mentioned Christians coming out in mass to protest and make their voices known. I don't know that they are grasping the fact that the IRS can just charge a church taxes and close them down. What are they going to do about that?

There was a generation that really believed in their institutions, thinking by making multi million dollar programs we could wage political influence. I've seen their allegiance to institutions and I believe they will hold on, their lifework is in them.

Many who would not worship at this altar have already left the 501 churches and are positioned to share the gospel in their towns and build small fellowships without need of the traditional structure.

Praying.....

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News Item5/1/15 5:19 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Yes indeed, Carl.
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News Item5/1/15 4:42 PM
Carl in Greensboro | NC  Find all comments by Carl in Greensboro
John UK, I agree in full that our goal first and foremost is to be consumed with the proclamation of the Gospel. In order to do that we should make use of every legal tool afforded by whichever government entity we have to deal with. I think the Apostle Paul gives us a good example on how to do this. He used his past benefits as a Jew and Pharisee to proclaim the Gospel in synagogues all over the empire and he used his Roman citizenry to move about the empire and gain audience with the Gentiles (he appealed to Caesar because of his citizenship). However, both the Jews and Rome repeatedly tried to legally restrict the spread of the Gospel in many ways which not only inluced fines and the taking of property and closing of businesses like here today, but escalated as we know all the way to arrest and public execution. When and where to stand for righteousness should always be done in conjunction with the spread of the Gospel even if that righteousness is civil disobedience against government turned evil. That is why we will continue to evangelize outside of Chinese state sponsored churches, we will continue to smuggle Bibles to bros and sisters in communist, Muslim, and other areas hostile to the Name. Here we will continue to pray in the Name and so on.
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News Item5/1/15 4:21 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Does this mean you would go along, or disobey? How about a practical example: If a homosexual couple asked you to do a painting of them getting married, would you do it or disobey the law?
No problem Mike my bro. If refusal was breaking the law, I would break the law. No two ways about it.
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News Item5/1/15 4:19 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Hello bro. Yes I think there could be a compromise, if I said that I recognised SSM with my lips, but in my heart I denied it. It is always best for the tongue to relate perfectly with the heart, otherwise it makes one a double-tongued hypocrite.
Does this mean you would go along, or disobey? How about a practical example: If a homosexual couple asked you to do a painting of them getting married, would you do it or disobey the law?
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News Item5/1/15 4:06 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Bro, ok no compromise. What would that mean if you were an American having to deal with the ramifications of a Supreme Court decision that required recognition of "same-sex marriage" in all ways? Which would you do? Obey or disobey? Which would be compromise? There is no third way, either we go along, or we don't.
Hello bro. Yes I think there could be a compromise, if I said that I recognised SSM with my lips, but in my heart I denied it. It is always best for the tongue to relate perfectly with the heart, otherwise it makes one a double-tongued hypocrite.
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News Item5/1/15 3:39 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Galatians 5:15-18 KJV
(15) But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
(16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
(17) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
(18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
It is good instruction. I am always led of the Spirit not to be involved with any ecumenical endeavour which includes non-Christians such as Roman Catholics, liberal churches, modernist churches, apostate churches, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Adventists, etc. etc. Therefore....
NO COMPROMISE!!
And as always, I tell people.....
Ye Must Be Born Again.
Bro, ok no compromise. What would that mean if you were an American having to deal with the ramifications of a Supreme Court decision that required recognition of "same-sex marriage" in all ways? Which would you do? Obey or disobey? Which would be compromise? There is no third way, either we go along, or we don't.
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News Item5/1/15 11:15 AM
I Told You So Long Ago  Find all comments by I Told You So Long Ago
MS wrote:
There is much spiritual deception, confusion
compromise and spiritual fornication, ushered in by these 'causes'.
The Former Highest-Ranking "JESUIT" To Ever Defect THE VATICAN, DR. ALBERTO RIVERA, Explained It Thus:

"There Are Two Doctrines That Define Very Well These Dangerous Goals Of The Roman Catholic Institution--Two (2) Doctrines Defines This Very Well--

ONE [I] Is Called -THE DOCTRINE OF THE APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION; And THAT Is Dealing With THE PAPACY;

And, The

OTHER [II] Is -THE DOCTRINE (OF) THE TEMPORAL POWER (OF THE PAPACY); And THAT Is Dealing With WORLD GOVERNMENT.

Of Course BOTH; Because, You Can See That Even THE POPE, In HIS Own Individual OFFICE, *HE* MEETS THOSE (TWO) REQUIREMENTS:

*HE* Is Not Only The HEAD Of His Church, As He Calls Himself [FRANCIS I]--The PRESENT Pope; He Says He's THE PASTOR Of His Church,

***-HE IS NOT ONLY THAT-***

BUT *HE* IS THE HEAD OF HIS ESTATE--OF HIS COUNTRY.

What That Means Is HE IS THE HEAD OF A POLITICAL STATE.

***BOTH COMBINATIONS ARE IN ONE OFFICE THERE***

And, PROPHETICALLY SPEAKING THAT IS WHAT WE SEE IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION--THE POLITICAL POWER ALWAYS HAND-TO-HAND WITH THE RELIGIOUS POWER."-Alberto Rivera (From 1980s Documentary On "JESUIT INFILTRATION") !

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News Item5/1/15 9:21 AM
MS  Find all comments by MS
It is not enough to stand against evil in the Name of the Lord.
We must take that stand only in strict accordance to the immutable precepts laid down in the Word of God.
There is much spiritual deception, confusion
compromise and spiritual fornication, ushered in by these 'causes'.
The building up of Christ's Church and the preaching of His gospel is always to be the highest priority, NEVER TO BE COMPROMISED.
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News Item5/1/15 8:49 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
BRF wrote:
John UK what would you say is the difference between liberal churches, modernist churches from apostate churches? are they not the same?
BRF, just on my way out, but I would say that liberal churches are liberal, modernist churches are modernist, and apostate churches are apostate. So you see they are all quite different.
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News Item5/1/15 8:27 AM
BRF | UK  Find all comments by BRF
John UK what would you say is the difference between liberal churches, modernist churches from apostate churches? are they not the same?
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News Item5/1/15 8:13 AM
Rebel against Evil | creation  Find all comments by Rebel against Evil
Acts 4:19-20
But Peter and John answered
and said unto them,
Whether it be right in the sight of God
to hearken unto you more than unto God,
judge ye.

For we
cannot but speak
the things which we have seen
and heard.

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News Item5/1/15 6:46 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Galatians 5:15-18 KJV
(15) But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
(16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
(17) For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
(18) But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

It is good instruction. I am always led of the Spirit not to be involved with any ecumenical endeavour which includes non-Christians such as Roman Catholics, liberal churches, modernist churches, apostate churches, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Adventists, etc. etc. Therefore....

NO COMPROMISE!!

And as always, I tell people.....

Ye Must Be Born Again.

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News Item5/1/15 5:01 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
The great problem with this sort of thing is the headline "Christian leaders threaten civil disobedience".

Ecumenical endeavours in terms of persons do not consist of "Christian leaders" and their adherents. Indeed, there ought not to be one Christian in the entire group. What is a Christian doing joining in with unregenerates? It's like the early church joining together with the Sadducees and Pharisees in a common political or religious cause. It's nonsense.

But then the ecumenical movement IS a nonsense to the believer. A Christian knows that it is but a satanic effort to water down and eventually destroy the Gospel of God's Grace. It is a Catholic ploy to distract from the Gospel Truth of Salvation by Faith Alone in Christ Alone, apart from works, sacraments, baptisms and anything else they add to the Finished Work of Jesus Christ.

Roman Catholicism is a necessary evil in this world, spurred on by the Devil but permitted by Almighty God for his purposes. But believers should never, ever, hold hands with it, "touch not the unclean thing".

NO COMPROMISE!!

Roman Catholicism is of the Devil. This is why.....

Ye Must Be Born Again!

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News Item5/1/15 3:37 AM
I Told You So Long Ago  Find all comments by I Told You So Long Ago
wrote:
The Satanic~Vatican -With- Her Antichrist "Jesuit"-'Pope' Francis-1 Will Agree With Just About Any "Faith" Just So Long As The "Pope" Has The
***UPPER-HAND*** &-Or Is IN FULL CONTROL OF THE
SITUATION (ANY & EVERYTHING SITUATION) !

"Especially, I Worked In Dealing With The INFILTRATION Of Churches And Religious Institutions As Well As Government; That, Cover A Tremendous Number Of Institutions.

Well, The Purpose Is What The Roman Catholic System Has All The Time, As Her Own Purpose, Is To INFILTRATE--To PENETRATE--ALL THE AREAS OF LIFE WHERE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC (HIERARCHY) CAN HAVE CONTROL AND ACCESS FOR
***THE COMING WORLD GOVERNMENT***.

What That Means Is In Preparation For That
***WORLD GOVERNMENT***, THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INSTITUTION--ESPECIALLY SINCE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE 'JESUIT'-ORDER IN 1541 AD --Throughout All These (Nearly) Five Hundred Years,

THEY'VE BEEN IN PREPARATION THROUGH INFILTRATION AND PENETRATION OF ***EVERY LEVEL OF SOCIETY*** IN ORDER TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD ***POLITICALLY*** And
***RELIGIOUSLY***."--DR. ALBERTO RIVERA (From 1980s Documentary 'BEHIND THE DOOR') !

If You Notice, The MAJORITY "RELIGIOUS" SPONSORS OF THIS ECUMENICAL CIVIL-DISOBEDIENCE IS
***ROMAN-"CATHOLIC" *** !

Hmmm.

***WONDER WHY ?***

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News Item5/1/15 1:27 AM
Carl in Greensboro | NC  Find all comments by Carl in Greensboro
Should standing for the sake of righteousness be classified as a "cause?" Personally I think God's children should always be quick to stand for righteousness and not "stand in the way of sinners;" it should be their spiritual nature. And if a nonbeliever decide to stand with you for another purpose other than righteousness it doesn't mean that you are holding his hand in solidarity nor should it be a reason for you to sit down and do nothing but complain.

And as far as "whiling away time" on the commentary board on SA: I'll leave it to the Lord to reveal at Judgement how little of my time I spend and for what purpose I come here but at present that's His business and mine. Suffice it to say for now that SA is a good place to get a taste as to where believers all over the world stand on the issues of the day (although what you really get is little discussion on the issues and plenty attacks on one another), which brings me to another purpose. I "often" have to "tear myself away from this commentary board" to squeeze in a little time to pray for love and unity that often seems to go lacking here. Therefore I plead with some of you to take Paul's warning in Galatians 5:15 to heart.

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News Item4/30/15 8:10 PM
No Name | Everywhere  Find all comments by No Name
To Carl in Greensboro:

This is not to discourage you but to have you consider who and what we are in this world. E.g. the Christian.

Christians are not called to "causes." Let the “world” do what they are naturally inclined to do. And let the Christian do what was commanded to do.
Causes are just like Christmas when individuals from every walk of life get together like ONE BIG WORLD under the dominion of darkness. Or, like Democrats and Republicans. You cannot make a distinction.
Besides the Christian is told that our battle is the Lord’s and our battle is not with flesh and blood. Our weapon is mightier through the proclamation of the Word of God, living lives worthy of our calling, and through prayer.
The crowd calling out for the crucifixion of the Savior was a mixed multitude; the immoral, amoral, and moral, and the religious; but none being necessarily righteous. Some ignorant believers get mixed up in almost anything. This is why a deep understanding of God’s eternal purposes are important; which comes with teaching doctrine.

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News Item4/30/15 7:23 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Christians will either recognize "same sex marriage" per potential Supreme Court ruling, or Christians will disobey the call to recognize "same sex marriage." It isn't any more complicated than that.
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News Item4/30/15 6:18 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
ladybug wrote:
Frank,
well stated brother - here's a complete list of the ecumenical list - [URL=http://defendmarriage.org/signers]]]http://defendmarriage.org/signers[/URL]
Notice, there's some from every 'stripe' of religion on that list, including women evangelists and reverends, not to mention chari-crazies like Rick Joyner and Sid Roth. So, it's okay to join hands with all the apostates on that list, as long as you stand for one common good? Not! We are NOT called to force an unregenerate world to adhere to God's word, for the sin nature of man and his love of his sins will never allow him to do so. Yes, give the truth concerning God's definition of marriage, but don't expect the world to go along with that or abide by it. We point sinners to their sins, then point them to the Savior. This world in its present form is passing away, it will NEVER get 'christianized' by anyone. We warn of impending judgment when sinners seek to rebel against God's truth, and we pray.
Thanks sister for your very informative post. In my simplified way, I just can't conceive of joining light with darkness under the pretense of service to God, but that is what these folks are pretending to do and by extension they are saying God needs our help.
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