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FRONT PAGE  |  10/18/2017
FRIDAY, FEB 27, 2015  |  21 comments
Soros, Ford Foundation shovel $196 million to 'net neutrality' groups

Liberal philanthropist George Soros and the Ford Foundation have lavished groups supporting the administration‚Äôs ‚Äúnet neutrality‚ÄĚ agenda, donating $196 million and landing proponents on the White House staff, according to a new report.

And now, as the Federal Communications Commission nears approving a type of government control over the Internet, the groups are poised to declare victory in the years-long fight, according to the report from MRC Business, an arm of the conservative media watchdog, the Media Research Center. ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Jacob Davidson wrote:
The new rules should be seen as little more than a preventive measure for abuses that have largely yet to occur, For more meaningful reform, Americans should throw their support behind other policies that will break broadband monopolies and actually improve their connections.
from quite a good article in the Christian Science Monitor, Net neutrality rules pass FCC. Why Comcast shouldn't worry. (+video).

Apparently a comedian forced the FCC's hand? Net neutrality's stunning reversal of fortune: Is it John Oliver's doing?

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News Item2/28/15 10:43 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
pennnned wrote:
how can you all debate a 300 page document..... that has been written in SECRET, that even your own "representative government", that is Congress has not seen? and yet this Nazi investor who is also funding Ukraine destabilization has his money all over what you the people cannot even know what it is?? rhetorical question.
Another rhetorical question. How many self justifying documents from the same self justifying sources do we need to read before we know where they lead?
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News Item2/28/15 9:33 AM
pennnned  Find all comments by pennnned
how can you all debate a 300 page document..... that has been written in SECRET, that even your own "representative government", that is Congress has not seen? and yet this Nazi investor who is also funding Ukraine destabilization has his money all over what you the people cannot even know what it is?? rhetorical question.
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News Item2/28/15 8:58 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Barry from KY wrote:
Actually Mike, it is the government that protects liberties, if not for our government, you or I would have no liberties. They have accomplished this by wielding the army, navy, air force and marines. It's not the NRA that gave you liberties!
From what I've seen of the net neutrality thing, isn't it dealing with band width and has nothing to do with content, or am I reading it wrong???
Unprofitable Servant commented on the net neutralty thing much more ably than I can, Barry. Mine basically is that it works well without FCC help, so why "improve" it?

I might make issue with one thing, for clarity. The government as understood does not protect our liberties, we do. It's our job. We enable the military to do so for us, through, but not for, those we hire to serve the people. Govt, i.e. hired public employees is composed of fallen men and women, who lust for power. It is in the nature of them to take liberty away. That's why the Constitution, which some bemoan, was written, to place limits on the ability of our employees to gain excess power. It's us who are actual govt, and it's us responsible for keeping our liberty. Govt of, by, for the people is more than a nice phrase. PS I enjoy your thoughtful posts

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News Item2/27/15 9:51 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Thanks for your kind words Barry, and I also agree Mike from NY is awesome.

Companies have to respond to the consumer or risk losing their business. No buyers and the company goes out of business due to lack of capital. (unless of course your tax dollars bail them out) The government pretends no such restrictions exist (it will catch up with them eventually). So who is more responsive to the consumer, not the government but companies. Ask the lady who runs the florist if she appreciates government regulation on content.

Not too long ago the 800 pound gorilla on the internet was AOL. The number one browser was Netscape. Look where they are now. If you don't like your ISP, you fire them for the next guy. Why is Vonage so much cheaper than regular phone, they don't have to pay all the fees. One of the charges on your current phone bill is an excise tax that was put in place to fund the Spanish-American War(the war ended in 1898, the charge didn't). A charge that only hit the wealthy who could afford phones back then, so a soak the rich tactic, raise you hand if you feel rich now that you are also paying it, but I digress.

Now the internet is a utility managed by the same group that also runs the VA and the Post Office. How encouraging.

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News Item2/27/15 8:57 PM
Barry from KY | Northern KY  Find all comments by Barry from KY
Thank you Unprofitable Servant, for 2 reasons. First, a well reasoned statement to make me think further into the subject.

and No. 2 for not calling me a name for making the statement in the first place.

Some people on here can be kind of rough on you if they perceive you are leaning towards liberalism.

From what I have read, they make the comparison to that of AT&t for the 1920's and 30's that pretty much owned the phone companies. Until they regulated that(another nasty word here on SA) then there were more investments and greater advancements once that monopoly was broken up.

Thanks again for the links I will definitely check them out!!!

Mike from NY, your still awesome in my book and I appreciate your posts. Not dressing anyone down, just my opinion brother.

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News Item2/27/15 8:48 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Barry from KY wrote:
Actually Mike, it is the government that protects liberties, if not for our government, you or I would have no liberties. They have accomplished this by wielding the army, navy, air force and marines. It's not the NRA that gave you liberties!
From what I've seen of the net neutrality thing, isn't it dealing with band width and has nothing to do with content, or am I reading it wrong???
Are they going to regulate content? Look at who made the ruling. The FCC. They currently regulate content over the airwaves.

Good analogy would be buying a house, if you come in with $300,000 you get a bigger and better house than if you come in with $75,000. Government trying to make it so both amounts buy same house. If you are the seller you then only sell the smaller houses instead of losing money on the bigger ones. The change will discourage investment, prices will rise, services will go down. It is inevitable.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/12/eight-myths-about-fcc-regulation-of-the-internet

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2015/01/net-neutrality-internet-regulation-debate-far-from-over

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/02/net-neutrality-rules-still-a-threat-to-internet-freedom

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News Item2/27/15 7:40 PM
Barry from KY | Northern KY  Find all comments by Barry from KY
Mike wrote:
Have you convinced anyone yet? I keep forgetting you like to have government fix problems that don't exist. Keep talking, though. It becomes more revealing with each post.
Governments protect liberties? Good one!
Actually Mike, it is the government that protects liberties, if not for our government, you or I would have no liberties. They have accomplished this by wielding the army, navy, air force and marines. It's not the NRA that gave you liberties!

From what I've seen of the net neutrality thing, isn't it dealing with band width and has nothing to do with content, or am I reading it wrong???

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News Item2/27/15 5:45 PM
Anne | the Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
I guess if that helps you sleep at night, Jim. Time has already played this one out in many past governments. "God works so that people will be in awe of Him. Whatever is, has already been, and whatever will be, already is. God repeats what has passed." Ecclesiastes 3:14-15

Maybe if you spent less time being "in awe" of Obama and this administration you would realize the inadequacy of his morals.

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News Item2/27/15 4:06 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
What no one even congratulated me for putting up why the Ford foundation might have been so liberal! This was a conservative article, (The Very Foundation of Conservatism). It explained how an actual conservative foundation did its thing and then did a planned self-destruction. You might enjoy that one Mike of NY?
Users of SA, and SA itself should be supporting net neutrality because it makes sure they get equal treatment in getting bandwidth with the likes of Amazon and Netflix, who no doubt have a lot more economic muscle than SA
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Government might protect liberties, companies won't, Anne.
Have you convinced anyone yet? I keep forgetting you like to have government fix problems that don't exist. Keep talking, though. It becomes more revealing with each post.

Governments protect liberties? Good one!

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News Item2/27/15 2:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
What no one even congratulated me for putting up why the Ford foundation might have been so liberal! This was a conservative article, http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/28/opinion/28miller.html (The Very Foundation of Conservatism). It explained how an actual conservative foundation did its thing and then did a planned self-destruction. You might enjoy that one Mike of NY?

Users of SA, and SA itself should be supporting net neutrality because it makes sure they get equal treatment in getting bandwidth with the likes of Amazon and Netflix, who no doubt have a lot more economic muscle than SA

I still haven't gotten any of you to look at the first 2¬Ĺ episodes, of http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-roosevelts/watch-videos/ (The Roosevelts: An Intimate History), which are about Teddy, I get nauseous myself looking at Franky and Babs, so you can skip the following episodes. The videos are still at the above site, when this was written.

Make people financially miserable to make them Christian? Hasn't worked in South America.

Government might protect liberties, companies won't, Anne.

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News Item2/27/15 11:36 AM
NB | kansas  Find all comments by NB
Amen, Pennned and Anne... Good comments!
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News Item2/27/15 10:37 AM
pennnned  Find all comments by pennnned
who organize international measures like agenda 21, implemented through ICLEI, worming their way into our food supply, city councel meetings and EPA regulations that limit anyone's ability to escape the regulations and live simply....

are not going to like this free exchange of ideas. it is contrary to the spirit of the times.

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News Item2/27/15 10:32 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Anne wrote:
Trading liberty for security has NEVER worked!! Even God told the Israelites to trust Him and not establish a king over themselves - look where it got them!!! Perilous times are set before us but we serve the Ruler of kings. I look forward to the day when our current president must bow before His Creator and acknowledge His "Executive Orders" supersede his own.
Amen, Anne. Hope Jim heeds this wisdom before it's forced on him.
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News Item2/27/15 9:46 AM
pennnnelope  Find all comments by pennnnelope
Just looking at the brevity of the times, and evangelicals propensity to follow leaders who create the very surveillance grid they complain about, who support the very wores that bring the destabilization that leads to Christian genocide, who promote shots that are made from the cells that came from aborted fetuses, finding myself in social circles surrounded by children with autism and illness that did not exist a handful of years ago with no concern from their statist families to evaluate the toxic elements of our lifestyles but rather to call it progressive science.....I have long believed that our corrupt generations were being given the internet as a tool to see a larger picture, to be able to read original research and hear the interviews of credible people who have been on the inside and who's voices would never be heard on the controlled tv. I have also believed this window would be short. Some have taken advantage of this blessing and others have stuck with their myths and fables as they are far more comforting. Simply put, men who order others to both sides of wores, who blatantly have torture centers in Chicago that European news hears of like gitmo, who take our homeloans and crash a derivative market from it and then take 20 trillion, and...
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News Item2/27/15 8:45 AM
Anne | the Wild West  Find all comments by Anne
Trading liberty for security has NEVER worked!! Even God told the Israelites to trust Him and not establish a king over themselves - look where it got them!!! Perilous times are set before us but we serve the Ruler of kings. I look forward to the day when our current president must bow before His Creator and acknowledge His "Executive Orders" supersede his own.
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News Item2/27/15 8:09 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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This video points out the FCC order helps provide oversight the 800 lb gorillas trying to gain control the web.
Replace an 800 lb gorilla with a 4000 lb hippopotamus. Good idea. Sounds like net obesity to me.
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News Item2/27/15 2:10 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes I vote for the people in govt. I don't for these companies' board of directors. Look at the 1st 2 and 1/2 episodes of http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-roosevelts/watch-videos/ (The Roosevelts: An Intimate History), and see what a "Square Deal" is
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News Item2/27/15 1:37 AM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
Jim Lincoln writes: But of course I support Net Neutrality against those big companies trying to control the Internet

So youll trade big companies for big brother?

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News Item2/27/15 1:02 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I thought that I might as well add some balance to the answer I put up on the school quiz section -- the school was right of course. But I was surprised that something with the name of "Ford" could be considered liberal? Henry Ford Sr. was admired by Adolph Hitler. So, to please the right-wingers out there an interesting article, The Very Foundation of Conservatism

But of course I support Net Neutrality against those big companies trying to control the Internet, q.v., Wozniak: Net Neutrality Decision Is Victory for Consumers This video points out the FCC order helps provide oversight the 800 lb gorillas trying to gain control the web.

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