John UK wrote:
Elmer, you don't half post some tripe. I point out that the KJV has a poor translation in one instance, and all on a sudden I've got an error-filled Bible.
Do you ever listen to good preaching? Say, someone like Dr Peter Masters? He preaches from the word of God, and always seeks to bring out the meaning, utilising the original greek language if necessary.
Now stop being silly, and get a hold of the "Translators To The Reader" online document, and discover for yourself just what the KJV translators said about their new version of the Holy Bible. Take off your rose-tinted specs, and begin to live in the real world.
And if you remember, I referred to the KJV as having one or two "blemishes", not errors.

Bible Facts Explained wrote:
1. You would replace sin with free will.
2. man has to participate with God in modified sovereignty. Making election a joint action God plus sinner.

... restricts the Atonement to divine hands only and does not support your belief in human decision making and free will

... This upsets your conviction that mans free will can overturn the Spirit's work.

... Your believe that man can loose his salvation

Michael Hranek wrote:
1. First a gentle correction
It is the 5 points of Dordt
2. If you want to disagree with me please do so rightly

Your previous posts have shown you to be of the Arminian style of ideology. For example your suggestions about works based religious human action - In lieu of God's sovereignty.

Mike wrote:
Acts 7:51
"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

Thus the Pharisees were just like the Arminians today who try to undermine God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. Like "Blind Guides."

The Bible teaches the Doctrines of grace - But the Arminians reject the bible teaching which is why they are not Calvinists and resist the Holy Spirit in their reprobate ideological estate.

Remember the Doctrines of Grace are precisely that - OF GRACE.

Blind Guides;
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Biblical Calvinist wrote:
The five points of

First a gentle correction
It is the 5 points of Dordt

Second gentle correction
If you want to disagree with me please do so rightly.
I do not believe a single point you posted of your Arminian (boogeyman?)

Further who in the world gave you the right/authority to judge, to accuse and declare as fact others who are not Calvinists as being Arminian? Those guy at Dordt? Who are they, somekind of infallible Protestant Popes?

Imho some who called themselves Calvinists like Spurgeon and Whitefield sought much more to be Biblical first and foremost more than they did to be Calvinists, especially Calvinists of the Dordt (Hyper) kind, and not make themselves into somekind of infallible reformed dictatores but to be used by God to lead men to the obedience of faith in Christ

Do you ever listen to good preaching? Say, someone like Dr Peter Masters? He preaches from the word of God, and always seeks to bring out the meaning, utilising the original greek language if necessary.

Now stop being silly, and get a hold of the "Translators To The Reader" online document, and discover for yourself just what the KJV translators said about their new version of the Holy Bible. Take off your rose-tinted specs, and begin to live in the real world.

And if you remember, I referred to the KJV as having one or two "blemishes", not errors.

Officer Elmer wrote:
I guess I do not have a Bible without errors. And since you folks don't either, then stop quoting from your error-filled Bibles like they are truth.

John UK wrote:
Elmer, if you have an inerrant Bible, please tell us what it is.
And if you say the KJV, do you have bishops in your church?
But seriously, you need to do some research, such as reading the Translators To The Reader document supplied by the KJV translation. In it, you will find that THEY recommend further study into the use of certain words. In the OT, they had to even resort to finding Hebrew speakers (first language) to try to get to grips with certain Hebrew words which they couldn't understand. Even the Hebrew speakers could not help them.
Now as regards an inerrant Bible, when it comes to doctrines of primary importance, I say that the KJV is inerrant, and is the Bible I use constantly.
Oh, and BTW, I don't attend churches which have bishops.

Biblical Calvinist wrote:
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3. Atonement is universal which proves it does not work for the majority.
This begets the question, Did Christ need to die?
4. Grace is not really very powerful. Thus man can resist the Holy Spirit By his "free will." (Pretty powerful these Arminians)?
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If you are not a Calvinist then you are some form of Arminian. Good luck.

4.If you are a Calvinist, then may the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth, not just enough to get by. Of course the Holy Spirit can be resisted. You have biblical evidence otherwise?

Acts 7:51
"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

Biblical Calvinist wrote:
The five points of Calvinism otherwise known as TULIP, are the Doctrines of Grace. 'Of Grace' because they are entirely Scriptural and received only by the grace of faith.
The five points came from the meeting held by the Synod of Dordrecht (Dordt) held in 1619. The documents the Synod produced are entitled the Canons of Dordt.
The five points of Calvinism are accurately and entirely Biblical and a response to the five points brought out by the Arminian heretics.
The Arminian heretics embraced the salvation by works ideology of the Roman Catholic heretics.
Thus for the Arminians
1. Sin is not influential in mortals. Thus the sinner can overcome it by his free will.
2. Election is influenced by the sinner. (Salvation by works).
3. Atonement is universal which proves it does not work for the majority.
This begets the question, Did Christ need to die?
4. Grace is not really very powerful. Thus man can resist the Holy Spirit By his "free will." (Pretty powerful these Arminians)?
5. Man can loose his salvation easy peasy.
If you are not a Calvinist then you are some form of Arminian. Good luck.

Michael Hranek wrote:
as I lean very much towards a hostility
of the 5 Point of Dhordt Calvinism
because of its gross distortions

The five points came from the meeting held by the Synod of Dordrecht (Dordt) held in 1619. The documents the Synod produced are entitled the Canons of Dordt.

The five points of Calvinism are accurately and entirely Biblical and a response to the five points brought out by the Arminian heretics.

The Arminian heretics embraced the salvation by works ideology of the Roman Catholic heretics.

Thus for the Arminians
1. Sin is not influential in mortals. Thus the sinner can overcome it by his free will.
2. Election is influenced by the sinner. (Salvation by works).
3. Atonement is universal which proves it does not work for the majority.
This begets the question, Did Christ need to die?
4. Grace is not really very powerful. Thus man can resist the Holy Spirit By his "free will." (Pretty powerful these Arminians)?
5. Man can loose his salvation easy peasy.

And if you say the KJV, do you have bishops in your church?

But seriously, you need to do some research, such as reading the Translators To The Reader document supplied by the KJV translation. In it, you will find that THEY recommend further study into the use of certain words. In the OT, they had to even resort to finding Hebrew speakers (first language) to try to get to grips with certain Hebrew words which they couldn't understand. Even the Hebrew speakers could not help them.

Now as regards an inerrant Bible, when it comes to doctrines of primary importance, I say that the KJV is inerrant, and is the Bible I use constantly.

Oh, and BTW, I don't attend churches which have bishops.

Brother Saint Elmer wrote:
So what you and Brother Saint John are saying is that neither of you have an inerrant Bible?

Brother Saint Elmer wrote:
So what you and Brother Saint John are saying is that neither of you have an inerrant Bible?

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=101914200260]]]Various Translations of the Word of God[/URL]

I highly recommend watching the video because you can see the examples Pastor Sean Harris is talking about

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
why pastor, doctor, bishop, elder, evangelist,brother, saint "Elmer" you have such a dilemma. Maybe you should concentrate on it rather than random posts here on SA. How do you know if the English translation is the accurate one???? What if you are supposed to use the Spanish or German one instead? People used to use the Latin Vulgate and before that the Greek Septuagint, maybe that is where you should go, who knows???? Maybe your only hope is to become a scholar of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Oh, and then you should also develop a time machine so you can pick up the original manuscripts. Of course you might could exercise faith that you have a reliable copy of the Word of God to study and that it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteous, but you are only choosing to rely on man's reasoning not faith. If I were you I would give myself to finding an answer to your dilemma and then you can come back and enlighten us.

Brother Saint Dear Elmer wrote:
.. apparently the translators ...

Of course, if you want to have bishops in your church, then just stick with the KJV translation. So long as they don't have pointy hats, or think of themselves as a higher rank than elder, that's no problem. If you think that Easter is a Christian celebration, that's up to you. And if you think that church is a building where Christians meet, then I will call you a poor student.

Elmer wrote:
John, apparently the translators were intentionally deceitful with their wording choices and their intentional error with Easter, which is not in italics. As mentioned, they were influenced and biased, so how can we trust any other scriptures? Why would we expect them to be honest by putting entire scriptures that they added to suit the King or whoever in italics? Also heard of instances of capitalization regarding Spirit and God which can alter meaning.

John UK wrote:
Amen Walter, and thanks for sharing that. You have a grave responsibility, but I'm sure the Lord's grace will be sufficient. It's funny you should mention that story about looking upwards, as last night I shared something similar in group discussion. At the close of a detective story, the DCI is sitting in a pub garden by a river with his DS, and there is a beautiful sunset - declaring the glory of God - Psalm 19. The DCI says, "Who needs God when we've got things like that?"
Poor dab, whoever wrote that into the script.

It's not rocket science. Do you have a Bible? Look at the words in italic, these have been added by the translators, mostly to conform to English grammar. So in this case, the words "it be" have been added.

Poor dab, whoever wrote that into the script.

Elmer wrote:
Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
I've heard that "except it be for fornication" has been added by the translators.

I've heard that "except it be for fornication" has been added by the translators.

Also heard that Romans 13 1-7 has been added too.

It consists of statements of doctrine adopted by the great Synod of Dordt which met in the city of Dordrecht in 1618-19. Although this was a national synod of the Reformed churches of the Netherlands, it had an international character, since it was composed not only of Dutch delegates but also of twenty-six delegates from eight foreign countries.