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TUESDAY, FEB 10, 2015  |  287 comments  |  3 commentaries
Singer Katy Perry: I ‘Got a Word From God’

Before taking the stage at Sunday night’s Grammy Awards, pop singer Katy Perry told TV host Ryan Seacrest that she believes she heard from God just moments before her halftime performance at last week’s Super Bowl showdown between the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks.

“I was praying and I got a word from God and he says, ‘You got this and I got you,’” Perry said. “And then I was on top of the lion and a guy — a random guy — looked at me with a headset that I’d never communicated with before. He looked me straight in the eyes and said ‘You got this.’ And I was like, ‘Oh, that’s God confirming I can do this!’” ...


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SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Officer Elmer wrote:
Calvinisis terrorists.
Here at Jesuit Troll HQ we have had to deal with Al-TULIPs catechisms of Catholic Mass Destruction(CMDs)for centuries! We have considered arming 'moderate' Presbyterians in the PCUSA with Scripture to engage the extremists, but these elders just end up reading the entire Bible and joining with the radicals.
We are now building a coalition of the willing. Arminians willing to stand for a works for salvation doctrine and engage the extremists. We have been patient long enough, we have tried sanctions, donuts for Bibles, & the Manhattan Declaration, none have worked. The conduct of the Al-TULIP regime is a threat to all Arminians. If the Calvinist regime really wants peace, they will disclose and destroy all their catechisms of Arminian Mass Destruction
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News Item2/18/15 9:31 PM
where did all that other stuff | come from  Find all comments by where did all that other stuff
Ches8 wrote:
Now Mike you must stop cutting GOD (election) out of the equation.
In the Reformed camp, the ordo salutis is 1) election/predestination (in Christ), 2) Atonement 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration, 6) conversion (faith & repentance), 7) justification, 8) sanctification, and 9) glorification. (Rom 8:29-30)
Ches8 list

1.election/predestination
2.atonement
3.gospel call
4.inward call
5.regeneration
6.conversion
7.justification
8.sanctification
9.glorification

Romans 8:29,30 list

1. foreknow
2. predestination
3.called
4.justified
5.glorified

the Ches8 reform camp addeth and the Ches8 reform camp taketh away blessed be the canons of dordt

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News Item2/18/15 3:49 PM
Elmer K. Yoder | Berlin, Ohio  Find all comments by Elmer K. Yoder
Good one Brother Saint Elmer!

Officer Elmer wrote:
Calvinisis terrorists.
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News Item2/18/15 2:28 PM
Ches8 | Biblical Doctrine  Find all comments by Ches8
Mike wrote:
This view gives the Holy Spirit to the unconverted that they may believe unto salvation
Now Mike you must stop cutting GOD (election) out of the equation.
In the Reformed camp, the ordo salutis is 1) election/predestination (in Christ), 2) Atonement 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration, 6) conversion (faith & repentance), 7) justification, 8) sanctification, and 9) glorification. (Rom 8:29-30)

"For this was the sovereign counsel, and most gracious will and purpose of God the Father, that the quickening and saving efficacy of the most precious death of his Son should extend to all the elect, for bestowing upon them alone the gift of justifying faith, thereby to bring them infallibly to salvation: that is, it was the will of God, that Christ by the blood of the cross, whereby he confirmed the new covenant, should effectually redeem out of every people, tribe, nation, and language, all those, and those only, who were from eternity chosen to salvation, and given to him by the Father; that he should confer upon them faith, which together with all the other saving gifts of the Holy Spirit, he purchased for them by his death" (Canons of Dordt)

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News Item2/18/15 1:51 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Ches8 wrote:
Q32: How is the grace of God manifested in the second covenant?

A32: The grace of God is manifested in the second covenant, in that he freely provideth and offereth to sinners a Mediator,[1] and life and salvation by him;[2] and requiring faith as the condition to interest them in him, promiseth and giveth his Holy Spirit [3] to all his elect, to work in them that faith,[4] with all other saving graces;[5] and to enable them unto all holy obedience,[5] as the evidence of the truth of their faith [6] and thankfulness to God,[7] and as the way which he hath appointed them to salvation.[8]

This view gives the Holy Spirit to the unconverted that they may believe unto salvation. Got things backwards. Once again, there can be no born-again of the Spirit unbelievers, who, once they have the Spirit, can believe unto salvation. If they have the indwelling Spirit, they have eternal life.(present tense)

1Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Incorruptible, meaning cannot die. This happens immediately upon the indwelling. Therefore saved, for eternity.

Eph 2:8. Saved by grace, through faith. Not saved by grace before faith

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News Item2/18/15 1:34 PM
Officer Elmer | Amish Mafia  Find all comments by Officer Elmer
Calvinisis terrorists.
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News Item2/18/15 1:07 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Ches8 wrote:
The references below the sections of WCF quoted are from a book called the Bible. Ever read it?
.....
Why yes I have, thanks for asking.

Still no Scripture to back your position. Even worse you can't find backing in the WCF ("freely provideth and OFFERETH to sinners").

When you bring up Biblical evidence that God does not use means (see I Corinthians 1:21) and Biblical evidence that the gospel is not given to the sinner as a call for a response (see Acts 16:30,31 and Isaiah 55:6) then we will continue the discussion.

Other than that, this is going in circles because you can't bring up a Bible verse or WCF quote that supports your position. No straw man arguments here, this is not about so called free will. (however they are people arguing for that in another thread, you probably are needed there more than here)

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News Item2/18/15 12:22 PM
Ches8  Find all comments by Ches8
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Still no Scripture quoted to back your position
The references below the sections of WCF quoted are from a book called the Bible. Ever read it?

Catechism (c/w Scripture refs) teaching FYI:-

Q31: With whom was the covenant of grace made?
A31: The covenant of grace was made with Christ as the second Adam, and in him with all the elect as his seed.[1]

1. Gal. 3:16; Rom. 5:15-21; Isa. 53:10-11

Q32: How is the grace of God manifested in the second covenant?

A32: The grace of God is manifested in the second covenant, in that he freely provideth and offereth to sinners a Mediator,[1] and life and salvation by him;[2] and requiring faith as the condition to interest them in him, promiseth and giveth his Holy Spirit [3] to all his elect, to work in them that faith,[4] with all other saving graces;[5] and to enable them unto all holy obedience,[5] as the evidence of the truth of their faith [6] and thankfulness to God,[7] and as the way which he hath appointed them to salvation.[8]
1. Gen. 3:15; Isa. 42:6; John 6:27
2. I John 5:11-12
3. John 1:12; 3:16
4. Prov. 1:23
5. II Cor. 4:13
6. Gal. 5:22-23
7. Ezek. 36:27
8. James 2:18, 22
9. II Cor. 5:14-15

If Katy and you had only read these.

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News Item2/18/15 11:30 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Ches8 wrote:
Knowing the Bible is Knowing the WCF.
...
Still no Scripture quoted to back your position.

I am guessing telling you twice that the WCF is not the Bible is not something you comprehend.

That being said, using YOUR "Bible" (the WCF) and looking at your post, none of what is stated says that God doesn't use means, in fact "originally wrought by the ministry of the Word, etc." says God DOES use means. Also, there is no quote that states men are not called to respond to gospel. In fact quite the opposite, the WCF states the principal acts of saving faith are ACCEPTING, RECEIVNG, AND RESTING (all actions verbs) upon Christ alone for justification.

So, the Bible and the WCF agree with a positions you don't hold, what does that tell you?

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News Item2/18/15 10:07 AM
Ches8  Find all comments by Ches8
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
one single verse
Knowing the Bible is Knowing the WCF.

FYI:-
WCF14/1. The grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls,a is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts,b and is ordinarily wrought by the ministry of the Word;c by which also, and by the administration of the sacraments and prayer, it is increased and strengthened.d

a. Heb 10:39. • b. Eph 1:17-19; 2:8; 2 Cor 4:13. • c. Rom 10:14, 17. • d. Luke 17:5; Acts 20:32; Rom 1:16-17; 4:11; 1 Pet 2:2.

2. By this faith a Christian believeth to be true whatsoever is revealed in the Word, for the authority of God himself speaking therein;a and acteth differently upon that which each particular passage thereof containeth; yielding obedience to the commands,b trembling at the threatenings,c and embracing the promises of God for this life and that which is to come.d But the principal acts of saving faith are accepting, receiving, and resting upon Christ alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal life, by virtue of the covenant of grace.e

a. John 4:42; Acts 24:14; 1 Thes 2:13; 1 John 5:10. • b. Rom 16:26. • c. Isa 66:2. • d. 1 Tim 4:8; Heb 11:13. • e. John 1:12; Acts 15:11; 16:31; Gal 2:20.

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News Item2/17/15 10:27 PM
Officer Elmer | Amish Land  Find all comments by Officer Elmer
The Puritans were murderers and builders of Statism. Their god surely blessed them!

Ches8 wrote:
If we look back into history one of the most prolific teachers and builders of the church in their time was the Puritans.

One of the tools which God blessed the Puritans use was the WCF.

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News Item2/17/15 7:04 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Ches8 wrote:
Today the churches are dwindling in size and certainly dwindling in doctrine.
If we look back into history one of the most prolific teachers and builders of the church in their time was the Puritans.
One of the tools which God blessed the Puritans use was the WCF.
.....
John UK

Ches8, again not ONE SINGLE Scripture is quoted in your post. I will give you this, you are consistent, You can't find a post that says anything close to what you say "arminians" say, that is said anywhere in this thread (they may say that, but no one HERE is saying that), which means you are arguing both sides, you post what your imagination states the one side says (even though no here ever said it) and then you argue against what you just made up. If you want to have a discussion, how about discussing what people HERE have actually stated?? If you are going to argue a straw-man, then I will drop my side of the discussion. If you have no Scripture to back your position that God doesn't use means or one that supports that men are passive in salvation and are not called to respond then please post it. Thanks

ps the WCF is not the Bible

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News Item2/17/15 6:27 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jessica Dawson wrote:
Amen, glory to God in the Highest!
Amen sister! It's good to see you posting again, and I hope the Lord is blessing you with perseverance in spite of all your infirmities. It may be a hard path at present, but reaching the streets of gold will lighten up your countenance, as the Lamb of God makes all things new, and there shall be no more tears.
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News Item2/17/15 6:16 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
John UK wrote:
This is a most wonderful and delightful truth of scripture, for which every Christian can give thanks to God, humbly acknowledging that Jesus Christ is the author and finisher (completer) of their faith, that salvation is of the Lord not themselves, that come hell or high water, the blessed Lord God Jehovah is their rock, comforter, and sustainer, that though the enemy sometimes comes in like a flood, the Lord raises a banner against them, that though they sometimes go astray, the Lord says, "I will never leave thee nor forsake thee."
He is worthy therefore of our utmost love, worship and service, living never for ourselves but for him who died for us and rose again, and is coming again in the clouds with the sound of a great shout and trumpet blast, gathering together his elect from the four corners of the world. Praise God!
Amen, glory to God in the Highest!
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News Item2/17/15 3:44 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Ches8 wrote:
Bible teaches God in His providence helps his elect by working in them to persevere to the end of life and to salvation.
This is a most wonderful and delightful truth of scripture, for which every Christian can give thanks to God, humbly acknowledging that Jesus Christ is the author and finisher (completer) of their faith, that salvation is of the Lord not themselves, that come hell or high water, the blessed Lord God Jehovah is their rock, comforter, and sustainer, that though the enemy sometimes comes in like a flood, the Lord raises a banner against them, that though they sometimes go astray, the Lord says, "I will never leave thee nor forsake thee."

He is worthy therefore of our utmost love, worship and service, living never for ourselves but for him who died for us and rose again, and is coming again in the clouds with the sound of a great shout and trumpet blast, gathering together his elect from the four corners of the world. Praise God!

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News Item2/17/15 3:07 PM
Ches8  Find all comments by Ches8
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
the WCF is not the Bible
Today the churches are dwindling in size and certainly dwindling in doctrine.

If we look back into history one of the most prolific teachers and builders of the church in their time was the Puritans.
One of the tools which God blessed the Puritans use was the WCF.

The problem with the free willing Roman Arminians both historically and today is the way which they work against Bible doctrine.

Bible teaches God's sovereignty.
Roman Arminians teach God's sovereignty requires mans acquiescence or man cannot be saved.

Bible teaches sin is Total Depravity in man and prevents him from any spiritual activity.
Roman Arminians teach sin is just a head cold which man can overcome with a couple of free will aspirins.

Bible teaches God in His providence helps his elect by working in them to persevere to the end of life and to salvation.
Roman Arminians teach that man can loose his salvation illustrating that they cannot completely trust in God.

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News Item2/16/15 8:05 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Mike wrote:
1. Pink needed pay more attention to Ps78. His "Thus predestination includes both..." which implies that which came just before, is in no way connected to the issue of election unto salvation. Ps78 is a history lesson.
2. There is no such thing as double predestination.
Mike NY
Thanks for the good observation on Psalm 78

being a history lesson not an example of election and reprobation

It is a shame that Pink didn't pay more attention

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News Item2/16/15 6:48 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Bible Facts wrote:
---
As the word predestinate signifies, God from all eternity sovereignly ordained and immutably determined the history and
destiny of each and all of His creatures. But in this study we shall confine ourselves to predestination as it relates to or concerns rational creatures. And here too a further distinction must be noticed. There cannot be an election without a rejection, a taking without a passing by, a choice without a refusal. As Psalm 78 expresses it, "He refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim; but chose the tribe of Judah" (vv. 67, 68). Thus predestination includes both reprobation (the preterition or passing by of the non-elect, and then the foreordaining of them to condemnation—Jude 4—because of their sins) and election unto eternal life" (A.Pink)
1. Pink needed pay more attention to Ps78. His "Thus predestination includes both..." which implies that which came just before, is in no way connected to the issue of election unto salvation. Ps78 is a history lesson.

2. There is no such thing as double predestination.

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News Item2/16/15 4:34 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Ches8 wrote:
Aaahhh the good old "god of means"
A great excuse for the Arminian god.
The self salvationists love this god Unprof. Servant, it provides them with the deception that they can save themselves.
Strange how the free willers
cannot discern sovereignty,
Cannot discern Total Depravity
And
Cannot discern atonement.
This must be the clue which illustrates their blindness to the Doctrines of Grace TULIP.
Thank you for your response. Also for making my point. My post quotes several Scriptures, yours quotes none, zero, zip, nada. In fact in all your post under this moniker you have not used one single Scripture to back up your view. Your argument is not with me but with the Bible. If you have an issue with the Bible, you need to take it up with its Author. I would far rather be "blinded" to the doctrines of TULIP than believe something which is against the plain teaching of the Word of God.

ps the WCF is not the Bible

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News Item2/16/15 4:23 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Ches8 wrote:
Aaahhh the good old "god of means"
A great excuse for the Arminian god.
The self salvationists love this god Unprof. Servant, it provides them with the deception that they can save themselves.
Strange how the free willers
cannot discern sovereignty,
Cannot discern Total Depravity
And
Cannot discern atonement.
This must be the clue which illustrates their blindness to the Doctrines of Grace TULIP.
Is it your church which has a sign outside saying, "No preaching here, no singing, no praying - you just come in, keep quiet, and see if God comes to indwell you."

Oh, but then the person has read the sign, made a decision to go in, and are waiting on God to see if he will indwell them. Maybe that's a works salvation like the free willers.

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