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SATURDAY, JAN 10, 2015  |  24 comments
Andraé Crouch kindled 'new dimension' of worship

Legendary gospel songwriter and performer Andraé Crouch has died at the age of 72.

Crouch's songs -- among them: "My Tribute," "The Blood Will Never Lose Its Power," "Soon and Very Soon," "Bless the Lord" and "Through It All" -- have become standards and are included in the hymnals of both African American and Anglo churches.

He was a major figure in the "Jesus Movement" of the '60s and '70s, which led to the rise in popularity of contemporary Christian and gospel music. He is credited with pioneering the urban gospel sound, blending elements of traditional gospel, R&B, jazz and pop.

Crouch's sound became so synonymous with gospel music that anytime a mainstream artist or movie studio needed a gospel song, he was their first call. His work in writing, arranging and directing can be heard on recordings by Elvis Presley, Elton John, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Paul Simon and others, as well as on ...


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s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
Thank you,Jim, for the links. Dr. Alan Cairns, John MacArthur and Justin Peters,among others, are very well versed on the topic of the spiritual gifts of prophecy,tongues and the gift of healing (the sign gifts)
Thanks to Dr. Cairns, I could see that the gift of healing is singular not plural; the one who receives the gift is not the "healer" but the recipient.Thank the Lord for many of these solid preachers and teachers.
The Strange Fire conference is another highly recommended resource. I would be surprised if there are many on here who aren't familiar with it as well.
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News Item1/12/15 3:29 PM
Bob Jay | Mexico  Find all comments by Bob Jay
I am automatically wary of CCM since it has it's roots in Voodoo. Strong statement, I know, but the evidence is irrefutable.
The other telling givaway is that CCM, like rock, does not follow the rules of Music: Melody enhanced by Harmony and gently driven by Rhythmn.
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News Item1/12/15 2:40 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
runethegoon, I'm rather surprised you haven't heard of him, I have heard of him, and the song "Soon and Very Soon," I have heard. Apparently he was also well known in the secular world, [URL=http://www.charismanews.com/us/47814-legendary-gospel-singer-andrae-crouch-dead-at-72]]]Legendary Gospel Singer Andraé Crouch Dead at 72[/URL].

Unfortunately, he "pastored" a church, New Christ Memorial Church, --along with his wife! I have a feeling that a lot of their preaching was in music? What a mess.

So, [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/char/35.htm]]]The Charismatic Movement--35 DOCTRINAL ISSUES[/URL].

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News Item1/10/15 7:40 PM
runethegoon  Find all comments by runethegoon
I've never heard of the man. I guess his songs cause much debate on sermon audio.
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News Item1/10/15 2:45 PM
Dorcas  Find all comments by Dorcas
From the article...

'Mike Harland, director of LifeWay Worship and one of those responsible for including several of Crouch's 'songs' in the Baptist Hymnal...

Who has required that of you?

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News Item1/10/15 2:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
"Jesus Movement?" I think the following is appropriate.
John MacArthur wrote:
The attitude Paul calls for is incompatible with the suggestion that we should lay doctrine aside for the sake of unity. It cannot be reconciled with the opinion that hard truths should be downplayed to make God’s Word more palatable for unbelievers. It is contrary to the notion that personal experience takes precedence over objective truth. God has given us His truth objectively in His Word. It is a treasure that we should protect at all costs.

This is the opposite of reckless faith. Paul leaves no room for rote tradition. He makes no place for a blind, irrational faith that refuses to consider the authenticity of its object and just accepts at face value everything that claims to be true. He rules out the kind of “faith” that is driven by feelings, emotion, and the human imagination. Instead, we are to identify “that which is good” by examining everything carefully, objectively, rationally—using Scripture as our standard.

excerpt from [URL=http://www.gty.org/blog/B140423/discernment-and-loving-the-truth?Term=reckless%20faith]]]Discernment and Loving the Truth[/URL] and for that matter, [URL=http://articles.ochristian.com/book2177.shtml]]]Charismatic Chaos[/URL]
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News Item1/10/15 2:16 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
ladybug wrote:
I never condemned Crouch, I did bring to light what he teaches/believes.
I also stated this, "You can find the other three parts there as well. Secular music is evil, wicked, and driven by demons. No true follower of Christ would dare work side by side with this evil." That is not a personal condemnation of Crouch Cody, that is a fact. No follower of Christ would knowingly delve into wicked practices.
As for David, yes, he praised God. However, his music is nowhere close to what secular music is, which does NOT praise or exalt God. It's shameful to even attempt to make such a comparison.
pennned, you're welcome. I do not desire to be divisive, however, I feel Cody has launched an unwarranted attack and twisted my words.
I did add a 'warning' next to the link that exposes the evil of music, it does have some content that may make some uncomfortable. However, it must be there in order to see the demonic influences music has on people. It's a form of mind control, especially among young people.
Well ladybug, I did a cursory search regarding Andrae Crouch and like you I wouldn't condemn him but I would say that if he was a Christian, then anyone who claims the name of Christ is a Christian. But I hope he was.
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News Item1/10/15 1:40 PM
flabbergasted  Find all comments by flabbergasted
Chris Perver wrote:
That contradicts the idea that God has already chosen who would be saved and who would be lost.
The idea that God elects - But waits for the individual sinner to do something first is just the reprint of the old RCC/Arminian salvation by works.

First you refer to God's "foreknowledge"

But then you down grade the Lord by suggesting that HIS election is not connected to HIS foreknowing whom????

The same God who foreknows - also elects.

"God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass" (WCF)
REF: Rom 9:15, 18; 11:33; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17.

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being (1) predestinated according to the (2) purpose of (3) him who worketh (4) all things after the counsel of (5) his own will:
Predestined by God.
God's purpose established in man.
God's work established in man.
God's own counsel.
God's will.

You can't even squeeze anything else by anyone or anything into that Totally Sovereign complete work. Praise be to God.

To then suggest that God in foreKNOWING, predestinating, counsel, will and purpose has nothing to do with GOD's own SHEEP (John 10:14) - is flabbergasting???

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News Item1/10/15 1:29 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
Chris Perver wrote:
God hasn't chosen some people to be saved and others to be lost. Yes, God foreknows who will be saved because He is outside of time
That notion was REJECTED in the Canons of Dordt

The First Main Point of Doctrine
Divine Election and Reprobation
The Judgment Concerning Divine Predestination
Which the Synod Declares to Be in Agreement with the Word of God
and Accepted Till Now in the Reformed Churches,
Set Forth in Several Articles

Rejection of the Errors
Having set forth the orthodox teaching concerning election and reprobation, the Synod rejects the errors of those

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Who teach that the incomplete and nonperemptory election of particular persons to salvation occurred on the basis of a foreseen faith...

""This runs counter to the entire Scripture, which throughout impresses upon our ears and hearts these sayings among others: Election is not by works, but by him who calls (Rom. 9:11-12); All who were appointed for eternal life believed (Acts 13:48); He chose us in himself so that we should be holy (Eph. 1:4); You did not choose me, but I chose you (John 15:16); If by grace, not by works (Rom. 11:6); In this is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son (1 John 4:10).""

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News Item1/10/15 1:15 PM
Chris Perver | Bangor, N. Ireland  Contact via emailFind all comments by Chris Perver
God hasn't chosen some people to be saved and others to be lost. Yes, God foreknows who will be saved because He is outside of time and knows the end from the beginning. He has chosen us "in Christ", that is, God has chosen those who will believe in His Son to be saved.

There are many different elect groups mentioned in Scripture. Elect angels, Israel was called God's elect in the Old Testament - and we know all Israel won't be saved, there were elect believers. Election has nothing to do with personal salvation in Scripture, it is to do with sanctification.

Peter says it is the will of God for "all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth". That contradicts the idea that God has already chosen who would be saved and who would be lost.

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News Item1/10/15 11:13 AM
carl haydock | england  Contact via emailFind all comments by carl haydock
I still havent heard of heard of him.
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News Item1/10/15 11:06 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Cody,
I never condemned Crouch, I did bring to light what he teaches/believes.
I also stated this, "You can find the other three parts there as well. Secular music is evil, wicked, and driven by demons. No true follower of Christ would dare work side by side with this evil." That is not a personal condemnation of Crouch Cody, that is a fact. No follower of Christ would knowingly delve into wicked practices.
As for David, yes, he praised God. However, his music is nowhere close to what secular music is, which does NOT praise or exalt God. It's shameful to even attempt to make such a comparison.

pennned, you're welcome. I do not desire to be divisive, however, I feel Cody has launched an unwarranted attack and twisted my words.
I did add a 'warning' next to the link that exposes the evil of music, it does have some content that may make some uncomfortable. However, it must be there in order to see the demonic influences music has on people. It's a form of mind control, especially among young people.

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News Item1/10/15 11:04 AM
pennnned  Find all comments by pennnned
ladybug wrote:
I recommend you watch it before you start with your accusations.
ah ladies, can we have a conversation without it turning divisive? Cody (he, she?) disagrees on a point and considers you a fellow believer to ask questions. That is compliment to both of you. Ladybug, thanks for the link, indeed the music industry tells a story that is far more occultic than we often want to admit. I have taken the time to see some recent videos, a few moments is enough, there are satanic rituals going on.

I don't know enough about the gentleman to say if he was compromising or witnessing. I know I've been in some dark places to witness of Christ.

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News Item1/10/15 11:00 AM
Cody | Louisiana  Find all comments by Cody
Now I didnt say Elton John Madonna Fowler or Elvis Presley were goin to heaven I jut said that you can't condemn Andre Crouch which you did when you said no Christian would hang out with those three and if you think that all music is bad you had best read your bible cause David had a band and he played the harp and he wrote most of the psalms the bible also calls him a man at lifter gods own heart so he couldn't live in a lifestyle of music if it was wrong
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News Item1/10/15 10:55 AM
Cody | Louisiana  Find all comments by Cody
But a lost man is spiritually dead and a dead man cant embrace anything so it is all God . God has already chosen who will be saved and he doesn't ask their permission cause if he had to ask he wouldn't be all powerful its called election its also called hyper Calvinism by those who preach free will
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News Item1/10/15 10:54 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
John Y.

IF you would read the link provided, you'd see how 'Baptist doctrine' has gone south concerning the Bible. Yes, the Holy Spirit MUST regenerate the sinner before the sinner cries out as the tax collector. However, to tell unregenerate sinners they can choose Jesus is not biblical. Read this John Y.[URL=http://www.oldpathsbaptist.org/decisional.html]]]http://www.oldpathsbaptist.org/decisional.html[/URL]

Cody,
The link I gave is from a Christian Ministry that exposes the evil of all kinds of music.
I recommend you watch it first, then comment.
I didn't state any certain person was in hell, however, IF you examine the 'fruit' of the likes of Elvis, Madonna, and Elton John, who's well known for his homosexual lifestyle, it's safe to say these folks are NOT followers of Christ. Madonna practices kabbalah, and Elvis delved into occult practices and read books from madame Blavatsky, a known occultist. He was also a womanizer...are these fruits of a child of God Cody? Hardly.
Filter any and everything you read/see through the word of God Cody, then you will not be steered wrong.

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News Item1/10/15 10:42 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
ladybug wrote:
John Y,
To claim one has the ability to respond/accept/embrace Christ IS decisional regeneration. Your ignorance of the Scriptures and what they teach is obvious. Faith and salvation are a gift of God, as Ephesians 2:8-9 clearly teach. The call to repent and believe are not a choice, it's a biblical command. May God give you ears to hear.
"Decisional regeneration, simply stated, is any doctrine which maintains that an individual is saved by a mere 'decision of the will.' That is, doctrine which teaches that men can be saved by merely making a conscious choice to be saved... Finally, it is also true that an individual is willing to be saved when God has worked completely in them. No individual is saved against his will. But let it be perfectly clear, that man is only willing after a divine operation of the Spirit of God on their heart." source - http://www.oldpathsbaptist.org/decisional.html
It is the Holy Spirit who prompts individuals to embrace Jesus as their Personal Savior and then the individual embraces Jesus as their Personal Savior. That is not decisional regeneration. Baptist doctrine which comes directly from the Bible states that salvation comes only through embracing Jesus as ones Personal Savior.
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News Item1/10/15 10:31 AM
Cody | Louisiana  Find all comments by Cody
Ladybug you say he is wrong for singing with Elvis Presley and others cause music is wrong but you hot your source from the Internet which is not wrong ? I mean cause we all know everything on the Internet is true . Its nor for you or I to decide who is in heaven or hell only God and if hissing claimed to be a Christian then thys all we know and by the work he did I believe he was we are known by our fruits ad his we true
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News Item1/10/15 10:20 AM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
John Y,
To claim one has the ability to respond/accept/embrace Christ IS decisional regeneration. Your ignorance of the Scriptures and what they teach is obvious. Faith and salvation are a gift of God, as Ephesians 2:8-9 clearly teach. The call to repent and believe are not a choice, it's a biblical command. May God give you ears to hear.
"Decisional regeneration, simply stated, is any doctrine which maintains that an individual is saved by a mere 'decision of the will.' That is, doctrine which teaches that men can be saved by merely making a conscious choice to be saved... Finally, it is also true that an individual is willing to be saved when God has worked completely in them. No individual is saved against his will. But let it be perfectly clear, that man is only willing after a divine operation of the Spirit of God on their heart." source - http://www.oldpathsbaptist.org/decisional.html
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News Item1/10/15 7:05 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John Yurich USA wrote:
There is no such thing as decisional regeneration as it is the Holy Spirit who prompts individuals to embrace Jesus as their Personal Savior, which means it is God who makes the decision to prompt individuals to embrace Jesus as their Personal Savior. And then it is up to the individual to embrace
Why John, I am surprised! I think I agree with your above statement. But of course you still have to realize that you should, [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC0200W2.htm]]]Come out of the Catholic Church[/URL]
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