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SATURDAY, DEC 27, 2014  |  14 comments
Stanford: Dean for Religious Life claims churches should focus less on religion, more on art

The church needs to focus more on art and less on religion and converting people in an effort to become less “churchy,” according to Stanford University’s Dean for Religious Life, The Very Reverend Dr. Jane Shaw.

“I think people are always slightly surprised that I’m not very churchy as a person,” Shaw told the Palo Alto Online in an interview. “I don’t think church is to be more churchy. I think church is about, anyone should be welcome. I’m really interested in how you welcome many different kind of constituencies, certainly not convert them, not even necessarily to do religion all the time.” ...


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News Item12/29/14 1:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
One has to plan more when using the Android app to enter any lengthy comment, I'm sorry that I didn't provide that care in my couple of messages, especially messing up Bible verses. So,

3 John 1
9 I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say.
10 For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, neither does he himself receive the brethren, and he forbids those who desire to do so, and puts them out of the church.

1 Timothy 5
19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses.
20 Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also may be fearful of sinning.
21 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.
22 Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thus share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

Good verses appropriate to the comments Mike and I had. I will try to use more care, next time.

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News Item12/28/14 7:06 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
3 John 19  I wrote to the assembly, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, doesn’t accept what we say. 10 Therefore if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words. Not content with this, neither does he himself receive the brothers, and those who would, he forbids and throws out of the assembly.

Mike, I appreciated your article and I assume that, that behavior still happens apostate churches like the Roman Catholic one, and other false Protestant ones as well.

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News Item12/28/14 6:55 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
yes, Mike, I 19  Don’t receive an accusation against an elder, except at the word of two or three witnesses. 20 Those who sin, reprove in the sight of all, that the rest also may be in fear. 21 I command you in the sight of God, and Christ Jesus, and the chosen angels, that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing by partiality. 22 Lay hands hastily on no one, neither be a participant in other men’s sins. Keep yourself pure.did find the article that you referred to as interesting. I have to admit I haven't heard of that recently, but it certainly probably happen in the modern world as well. So, I'm glad you brought it up. I should have put up the rest of verses that surround the one that I quoted:
1 Timothy 5
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News Item12/28/14 5:17 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Your article has an interesting point,

1 Timothy 5:21 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality

Jim
To be clear [URL=http://www.thefaithfulword.org/diotrephes.html]]]The Diotrephes Syndrome[/URL] was written by C.W. Booth, someone I know nothing more about than this imho brief and well written article of some grossly abuse "Church Disciple" not to protect and guard the people of God against false teachers, not as means of seeking to restore someone who is decieved into error, but for someone's own preeminence and fleshly advancement and to punish, even to destroy those in his (or her) way.

In the fear of the LORD excommunication of false teachers, the leaving the determinedly unrepentant alone to go their own away, the willfully blind leading the deliberately ignorant (Biblical) is way different from corporeal or capital punishment (military assault?)of those genuinely or maliciously labeled as heretics to satisfy ones unforgiving(?) self-righteous(?) lusts and malice towards dissenters (Unbiblical)

May God lead us not into the temptation of abusing nor neglecting Church Discipline

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News Item12/28/14 12:36 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Michael Hranek wrote:
Please let the Spirit and the word of God take your consideration deeper, that your "church disciple" is truly in the Spirit and not in the flesh (e.g. [URL=http://www.thefaithfulword.org/diotrephes.html]]]The Diotrephes Syndrome[/URL] )
For it is written, it really is:
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 3:3 kjv
Your article has an interesting point, Michael, for further information on Church discipline, I would suggest the sermon, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=2170612618]]]How the Church Must Deal with Sin[/URL] and the written article [URL=http://www.sgbaptist.com/articles/adultero.htm]]]Why Adulterous Pastors Should Not Be Restored[/URL]. Gives some idea how sin in the church should be handled. Of course it has to be done impartially as well,

1 Timothy 5:21 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus and of His chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

runethegoon,

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News Item12/27/14 11:34 PM
runethegoon  Find all comments by runethegoon
If my memory serves me right, church means in latin " the called or chosen ones " so this woman with lots of letters behind her name wants to be religious but not called or set apart. I know she is a member of the highly esteemed world of academia but to quote bugs bunny on this issue " what a marroon."
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News Item12/27/14 10:49 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Wayfairer pilgrim wrote:
The bride is to be pure not defiled by ignorance. Without church discipline, sound teaching is lacking in the American and European church.
Please let the Spirit and the word of God take your consideration deeper, that your "church disciple" is truly in the Spirit and not in the flesh (e.g. [URL=http://www.thefaithfulword.org/diotrephes.html]]]The Diotrephes Syndrome[/URL] )

For it is written, it really is:
Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 3:3 kjv

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News Item12/27/14 9:04 PM
Wayfairer pilgrim | Lubbock,tx  Find all comments by Wayfairer pilgrim
The bride is to be pure not defiled by ignorance. Without church discipline, sound teaching is lacking in the American and European church.
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News Item12/27/14 8:11 PM
Carl E | Australia  Find all comments by Carl E
Another "wise" fool.
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News Item12/27/14 3:30 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
She isn't "Very Reverend" since conservative churches, rightly, don't recognize the existence of [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/RD-001WP.htm]]]Women Preachers[/URL]

Now, she may like the pagan temples, otherwise known as Romish churches, this a reason why [URL=https://www.jashow.org/wiki/index.php?title=Come_Out_of_the_Catholic_Church]]]Come Out of the Catholic Church[/URL] and not go into it!

Being a local art gallery or community center is not the purpose of the local church, [URL=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1622217/posts]]]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1622217/posts (The Purpose of the Local Church and Community Issues)[/URL]

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News Item12/27/14 3:28 PM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
That is, after all, how people come to faith, isn't it, "reverend" Jane?...Faith comes by seeing, seeing the art...
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News Item12/27/14 2:59 PM
Play church yuk  Find all comments by Play church yuk
harborly wrote:
From article;
"The church needs to focus more on art and less on religion and converting people in an effort to become less “churchy,”

[URL=http://lh4.ggpht.com/_WsrSGHNfbOI/SYsK96S51-I/AAAAAAAAAQo/AALDeVnBeb4/s1600-h/dreamchurch_ad%5B3%5D.jpg]]]Sound like Dream Church[/URL]

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News Item12/27/14 2:29 PM
harborly  Find all comments by harborly
From article;
"The church needs to focus more on art and less on religion and converting people in an effort to become less “churchy,” according to Stanford University’s Dean for Religious Life, The Very Reverend Dr. Jane Shaw."

Ex nihilo nihil fit.

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News Item12/27/14 12:43 PM
John Ramirez  Find all comments by John Ramirez
Then, Maybe She Should Become The Stanford University Dean For
"ART LIFE" (REALLY 'RAT LIFE [Really Death]' ) !

YouTube: John Ramirez

"We Have Two Hundred Pastors Quitting The Church Of Jesus Christ Every Month...What You Don't Expose You're In Bed With...You Know, Some Demons Are Saying 'You Don't Need To Expose Me Because You're Going To Need Me Next Week Anyway.'... So The Reason Why They (The Pastors) Are Not Exposing It (The Demons &-Or The Sins Connected To/With The Demons); And The Reason Why They Are Not Exposing It (Exposing & Dealing With The Demons Via The Bible/Biblical Doctrine & Practice Of 'DELIVERANCE') Is Because They Don't Want To Bring 'Terror' Into The Church--THEY DON'T WANT TO BRING 'CONFUSION' INTO THE CHURCH...BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HEY, IN THE LONG RUN I NEED TO KEEP THE PEOPLE HAPPY BECAUSE I NEED THE TITHES AND THE OFFERINGS TO PAY FOR MY CAR AND TO PAY FOR MY HOUSE..."--JOHN RAMIREZ

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