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Choice News FRIDAY, DEC 12, 2014  |  30 comments
The Vanishing Male Worker

Working, in America, is in decline. The share of prime-age men — those 25 to 54 years old — who are not working has more than tripled since the late 1960s, to 16 percent. More recently, since the turn of the century, the share of women without paying jobs has been rising, too. The United States, which had one of the highest employment rates among developed nations as recently as 2000, has fallen toward the bottom of the list.

Many men, in particular, have decided that low-wage work will not improve their lives, in part because deep changes in American society have made it easier for them to live without working. These changes include the availability of federal disability benefits; the decline of marriage, which means fewer men are providing for children; and the rise of the Internet, which has reduced the isolation of unemployment. ...


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News Item12/23/14 3:21 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike of N.Y., I was wondering where you have been? I --usually-- enjoy your sharp returns.

Maybe, W.Va'ers aren't happy with the Republican oil barons flooding their energy markets with that oily stuff? Coal industries had some of the worst reputations for how they treated workers, remember the company store and a song that bemoaned it? But still,

James 1
11 For the sun rises with a scorching wind, and withers the grass; and its flower falls off, and the beauty of its appearance is destroyed; so too the rich man in the midst of his pursuits will fade away.
12 Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
Blessed -- This is the same word used in the Beatitudes in Matthew 5. This person has an inner happiness and joy not dependent on external circumstances. This word is used 50 times in the New Testament.
excerpt from [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/gr757.htm]]]Bible Study Notes--Rich and Poor Believers--James 1:9-12[/URL]
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News Item12/23/14 2:59 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
My, give you folks something else to chew on! "Ignorance is bliss!"
excerpt from [URL=http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/02/20/americas-most-content-and-miserable-states/print/]]]America’s Most Content (and Miserable) States[/URL]. Yes, with Obamacare it is the good life.
Good one, Jim.

On the other hand, from your link:
"No Americans had as negative an outlook about their future as West Virginians, who rated their projected life in five years the lowest. Additionally, just 44.8% of residents described themselves as thriving, the lowest in the nation."

It makes you wonder if the determination of Obama to kill the coal industry there has anything to do with it.

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News Item12/23/14 2:30 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
My, give you folks something else to chew on! "Ignorance is bliss!"
Ashley Allen wrote:
Nebraska had some of the nation’s highest scores for both emotional and physical health. Residents were among the least likely to be depressed last year, trailing only North Dakota and New Jersey. More than 81% of residents did not have any health problems preventing them from age-appropriate activities, tied with Minnesota for the best nationwide in 2013. One factor improving Nebraskans’ well-being was likely their high quality living conditions. More residents were satisfied with their city than those in any other state, and most believed their city was improving overall. People in Nebraska were more confident about the future of the U.S. economy than residents of nearly all other states.
excerpt from [URL=http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/02/20/americas-most-content-and-miserable-states/print/]]]America’s Most Content (and Miserable) States[/URL]. Yes, with Obamacare it is the good life.
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News Item12/16/14 3:13 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I haven't inspired a comeback! Hmm, well, for you working poor here is an interesting observation, [URL=http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/12/08/collapse_of_middle_class_wealth_the_median_family_is_worth_less_today_than.html]]]The Great Wealth Meltdown: Middle-Class Families Are Worth Less Today Than in 1969[/URL]
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News Item12/15/14 4:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The New York Times seems to have a series of articles on this topic, see the stuff at the end of this article, [URL=http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/upshot/the-rise-of-men-who-dont-work-and-what-they-do-instead.html?referrer=]]]http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/upshot/the-rise-of-men-who-dont-work-and-what-they-do-instead.html?referrer=[/URL]
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News Item12/13/14 2:45 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
UPS, I don't think Warren Buffett is suggesting any of those things. Is Mr. Moyers always right? No, I don't think so, but he does have a point on this one, since other people make the same point. Perhaps the multimillionaire should be encouraged to invest, by proving they are investing in companies or whatever that employ people at decent wages or have their income taxed more? It seems to me during one of the most prosperous times, during the Eisenhower Administration, the highest personal income tax rate was at 50% I don't think the Friedman/Nixon idea of a [URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax]]]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax (Negative Income Tax)[/URL] has ever been implemented, perhaps it should be? In quality of life we are a lot lower than #2 in the world, just of the top of my head, the Scandinavian countries and Switzerland rank higher.

So, while I don't agree with Mr. Moyers on everything he's right to point out the destruction of the Middle Class, by [URL=http://billmoyers.com/episode/full-show-plutocracy-rising/]]]Full Show: Plutocracy Rising[/URL].

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News Item12/12/14 8:48 PM
Lady_Virtue | OKC  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lady_Virtue
Frank's comment 12-12-14 @ 9:33 a.m.

penned's comment 12-12-14 @ 2:04 p.m.

I was very blessed by these; thanks!

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News Item12/12/14 6:49 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Very little money goes into anything productive.. I prefer the first article I mentioned to the one in the NY Times.
"This (record revenue) continues a trend seen through fiscal 2014, which ended on Sept. 30, when the federal government took in a record $3,020,809,000,000 in revenue"

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/tax-revenues-set-record-october-feds-still-run-monthly-deficit-1050

Tax revenues are breaking records and Jim thinks they are not high enough?????

The poor people are giving money to the wealthy???????

The top 1% pay 25 percent of all tax revenue the bottom 50% pay less than 3 percent and the poor get money back via a tax credit for money they didn't pay in (is this a great country or what?).

Jim, Mr. Moyers needs to take a walk in reality instead making stuff up, drawing false conclusions and calling it fact. If he REALLY wanted to see more money invested here he would be calling for an elimination of death penalty tax, the capital gains tax (that is really a double tax) and lowering the corporate income tax rate which is the highest in the industrialized world. Is Mr. Buffett suggesting that?

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News Item12/12/14 3:45 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Beloure wrote:
Western nations such as America and the UK reject and repudiate God's Word and precept. This is to reject God's authority amongst the people. When a nation does this God will not bless that nation. The destruction in society of God's institutions of marriage and the family and the God created roles of men and women will receive punishment by God not blessing.
I don't really follow what you're saying. Maybe a bit more would do it.
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News Item12/12/14 3:12 PM
Beloure  Find all comments by Beloure
Western nations such as America and the UK reject and repudiate God's Word and precept. This is to reject God's authority amongst the people. When a nation does this God will not bless that nation. The destruction in society of God's institutions of marriage and the family and the God created roles of men and women will receive punishment by God not blessing.
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News Item12/12/14 2:48 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Very little money goes into anything productive, MS, Infuriating Facts About Our Disappearing Middle-Class Wealth)[/URL].

I would suppose this Christmas we should be helping out food pantries, moyers/journalFood is the big story this week. We're paying a lot more for it
What is needed is higher taxes as proposed by Warren Buffett. I prefer the first article I mentioned to the one in the NY Times.

You pointed out Bill Moyers wrote:
"1. Each Year Since the Recession, America’s Richest 1 percent Have Made More Than the Cost of All US Social Programs

"In effect, a reverse transfer from the poor to the rich. Even as conservatives blame Social Security for being too costly...."

What a load. See why I say liberals are bad at math, Jim? They actually think the rich get rich because the poor subsidize them. What exactly do the poor transfer that makes the very rich richer?

btw, we are paying a lot more for food because of the influx of unearned and unbacked dollars that has been dumped into the financial system by Quantitative Easing. Remember that? What happens when more dollars chase the same goods? 1+1=2 regardless of liberal economic theory. More taxes to compensate for dumb? Nope.

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News Item12/12/14 2:47 PM
1517  Find all comments by 1517
Jim,
You're a Christian and believe in theft? Before you go all caps on me, let me qualify my statement. Socialism, at its core, is premised on the immoral ethos of balancing the wealth by taking from the rich to give to the poor. You can cloak it under the word " taxes" but it is stealing through and through. God grants wealth and allows poverty. Christ said "the poor you will always have with you". Leave the class warfare and "financial inequality" tripe to the pagans and God hating Progressives; certainly not the side of a Christian.
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News Item12/12/14 2:14 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Very little money goes into anything productive, MS, [URL=http://billmoyers.com/2014/11/04/infuriating-facts-disappearing-middle-class-wealth/]]]http://billmoyers.com/2014/11/04/infuriating-facts-disappearing-middle-class-wealth/ (Infuriating Facts About Our Disappearing Middle-Class Wealth)[/URL].
Bill Moyers wrote:
...
1. Each Year Since the Recession, America’s Richest 1 percent Have Made More Than the Cost of All US Social Programs

In effect, a reverse transfer from the poor to the rich. Even as conservatives blame Social Security for being too costly....

2. Almost None of the New 1 percent Wealth Led To Innovation and Jobs

In 2005, for every $1 of financial wealth there was 66 cents of non-financial (home) wealth. Ten years later, for every $1 of financial wealth there was just 43 cents of non-financial (home) wealth....

I would suppose this Christmas we should be helping out food pantries, [URL=http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04112008/transcript1.html]]]Food is the big story this week. We're paying a lot more for it[/URL]

What is needed is higher taxes as proposed by Warren Buffett. I prefer the first article I mentioned to the one in the NY Times.

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News Item12/12/14 2:04 PM
penned  Find all comments by penned
Frank wrote:
I just thought you might be interested in this, since you are into comspiracy stuff.
since you say your comment is filled with conspiracy theory, I'll likely skip it.

a great book to read is called "the great deception" about how abortion talking points were designed by a committee and even today we use the same talking points.

sanger and her birth control society.

feminism has been extremely destructive to our society.

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News Item12/12/14 1:14 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Concerning this article.
Money doesn't buy happiness, but it will pay the salaries of a large research staff to study the problem.
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News Item12/12/14 12:51 PM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
Its the Draconian Lizard men I tell you. They started the feminist movement so they can enslave the human race again. If you wear a tinfoil hat, youll actually be able to see whos really a lizard man, and whos not. Obama, the Pope, Billy Graham, anyone of stature, theyre all Draconian Lizard men. (Just kidding)
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News Item12/12/14 11:45 AM
Mark M. | in the UAE  Contact via emailFind all comments by Mark M.
Feminism is partially to blame as are our new/old "undocumented workers"...lazy men, liberal "presidents", as well as businesses who decided to avoid the liberal policies by moving their HQs overseas all factor into the situation also.

There looks to be a correlation between feminism and the subject of the article. If you can't read between the lines for yourself--it goes like this. Before the big women's movement a man with one job could support a family of four. I'm age 40 now. My dad was just barely able to do it, but I believe my brother and I are among the last to benefit from this. We were not well off. In fact my dad, who did not graduate from high school, did side jobs and maybe only had one day off a week--we were barely making it.

Nowadays though it's almost impossible. The woman of the house almost has to work to make ends meet. You are working in a country wherein you can't make a living without at least a high school diploma. It's mostly service industry--low paying--even for those who do. Associate degree? Ha! Bachelor's? Getting to be just as bad. Now we have the influx of undocumented workers. Not to mention Obama Clause picking the pockets of those who will work to support lazy men mentioned by other posters!

Makes me want to say an xpat forever.

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News Item12/12/14 11:35 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Okay Penny since you asked for this; I will provide it. The below was taken from the internet. If you google the first line, you will come up with lots of sources. “Now I am not saying this is true history”, I have no way of knowing that for sure, but I agree with the conclusion that this is the source of feminism; first slowly then rapidly changing our culture; starting with carnal men. The below is not my wording, so please don't be upset with me. I just thought you might be interested in this, since you are into comspiracy stuff.

The secret correspondence of the Illuminati also revealed their plan to use the liberation of women for their purposes, as is stated

“There is no way of influencing men so powerfully as by means of the women. These should therefore be our chief study; we should insinuate ourselves into their good opinion, give them hints of emancipation from the tyranny of public opinion and of standing up for themselves; it will be an immense relief to their enslaved minds to be freed from any one bond of restraint, and it will fire them more, and cause them to work for us with zeal, without knowing that they do so; for they will only be indulging their own desire of personal admiration.”

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News Item12/12/14 10:23 AM
penny  Find all comments by penny
SteveR wrote:
Only on SermonAudio would lazy men avoiding work, family and societal obligations be blamed on 'feminism'
yep.
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News Item12/12/14 10:09 AM
Dorcas  Find all comments by Dorcas
Thank you Frank, for your compassionate spirit.
We are glad you returned to the forum.
You give much needed balance.
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