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SATURDAY, DEC 6, 2014  |  30 comments
Fla. pastor fatally shot, two others killed

Police are investigating the tragic deaths of a Florida Baptist pastor, a staff member and another individual following a possible triple homicide that occurred Thursday (Dec. 4), the Florida Baptist Witness reported.

Police are investigating the tragic deaths of a Florida Baptist pastor, a staff member and another individual following a possible triple homicide that occurred Thursday (Dec. 4), the Florida Baptist Witness reported.


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News Item9/6/16 10:46 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It should be pointed out this church is still in existence, [URL=http://www.visitbayshore.org/]]]Bayshore Baptist Church[/URL] and I think a little more complete story of what happened, [URL=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/pastor-church-employee-among-3-killed-in-florida/]]]Pastor, church employee among 3 killed in Florida[/URL].
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News Item9/2/16 12:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The article has nothing to do with church government. the article is interesting especially when it comes to church security. we seem to have drifted off the subject and I decided to point that out. Let's hope this church was able to recover after the tragic loss of its pastor.

To get off track, again. l should have mentioned the following article when it comes to church government. [URL=https://bible.org/article/who-should-run-church-case-plurality-elders]]]Who Should Run the Church? A Case for the Plurality of Elders[/URL]--very good.

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News Item8/30/16 10:46 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Sorry, I missed some of your comments, Robert. I agree when church rulers follow [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/eccl/ten.htm]]]Ten Rules to Revival or Ruination? -- “How to Develop a Cult Mentality in Your Congregation”[/URL] with absolutely no accountability of the pastor and a board of Elders who act as one for the wrong reasons--that is a bullying church. They should be shunned, [URL=http://tinyurl.com/z3lpk9b]]]1 Corinthians 5:11[/URL] just as much as anyone who refuses to reform! Mark Driscoll was infamous for bullying. There's one thing to do, and that's leave. About all one can say, [URL=http://www.gty.org/resources/print/questions/QA120]]]When Should People Leave Their Church?[/URL] and [URL=http://www.gty.org/resources/print/questions/QA121]]]What should I look for when choosing a new church home?[/URL].

It is a pity when good people have to leave a church and a bad leadership gets to enjoy the spoils.

Mike of NY as far as politics is concerned I can only recommend, [URL=http://tinyurl.com/habzqpz]]]The Gospel and Politics[/URL] by John MacArthur. Of course its obvious that morality was about the last on the list on the minds of the voters the major parties for the primary elections when they went to the polls in 2016

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News Item12/10/14 11:47 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, but also listen to, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=128111050574]]]God's High Demand for Holiness[/URL], Dolores.
Good to know you agree with God's high demand for holiness. So when you support government corruption, does it meet God's high demand?
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News Item12/10/14 11:23 AM
does this guy know his Bible  Find all comments by does this guy know his Bible
Robert wrote:
Modern Christians are unengaged in their congregations because they've been seduced into a passive thinking that you can't stop people from misdeeds.
I Peter 2
19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.

20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

I Corinthians 6

7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

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News Item12/10/14 5:12 AM
Snoop | Compton  Find all comments by Snoop
waz up my snizzle?

John Yurich USA wrote:
Eh, What's up Doc?
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News Item12/10/14 1:16 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
thank you, Dolores, for your comment. We don't have a church that lives by Old Testament laws. but then, if one church live by the standard that is set by secular society, how is that Christian? So all forgiveness is in the mix, there are many alarm standards that 1 would expect a church to set.
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News Item12/10/14 12:09 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Robert thanks for taking time to answer my question. You, not God, said I was being passive so you got the question.

The Bible teaches that we give account of ourselves, not others, to God. The Bible teaches that the soul that sins shall die, thus men are responsible for their own actions, not the actions of others. He made a choice and he is responsible to God for his actions. The courts don't even share your view as they won't put anybody else on trial for these murders. Just because you say so, doesn't mean the tragedy wouldn't have happened if the perpetrator was disciplined out the church. I could easily say it would have exacerbated and accelerated the situation and the crime would have happened earlier. Just like you what I just said is pure speculation and cannot be asserted to as fact.

Maybe Christians where you go to church are unengaged in their congregations, it is certainly not the case in the church I attend. Again, maybe you need to change churches if your leaders are lying to you, it is not the case in the church I attend. The Scripture unequivocally teach individual responsibility.

Romans 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

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News Item12/9/14 11:45 PM
Robert | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by Robert
Unprofitable, claiming I don't know if discipline would work is passive, active is acknowledging it does work ecceptions proving the rule, and claiming church leaders are not responsible for others behavior is passive, active is claiming church leaders are responsible for their own teachings which effects the behavior of others. We don't close police departments and courthouses because one guy commits a crime, that's passive and will get you killed.

Modern Christians are unengaged in their congregations because they've been seduced into a passive thinking that you can't stop people from misdeeds. You've been lied to by your leaders (see Titus1:11) because they want you to be passive while they fleece the Lords heritage and leave Gods people vulnerable to attack (read John10:12). You need to pray sir and get the answers from the Lord not me.

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News Item12/9/14 11:21 PM
pennnned  Find all comments by pennnned
Robert wrote:
formal discipline.
I too am curious what you mean about how this would be handled properly. thanks.
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News Item12/9/14 9:44 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Robert wrote:
Unprofitable Servant from Georgia, your passive talk enables church bullies....
Thanks for your response. Also, I did say you may know things not other wise stated. Not going to address, if you don't mind, the church government aspect of your comments. But I sure do want to learn. Would you be so kind as to point out the passive elements of my post, thanks. Keep in mind, I have no report that says the killer was active in the church except from your post. Maybe you could share that link, or is it just known by locals like yourself?
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News Item12/9/14 7:41 PM
Dolores  Find all comments by Dolores
Jim, of course without question, we have to live Holy lives. I agree totally!
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News Item12/9/14 7:40 PM
Robert | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by Robert
Unprofitable Servant from Georgia, your passive talk enables church bullies, congragants are responsible for the church and leaders are to serve the church, not Lord over it (1Pt5:3) by neutralizing the members ability to protect themselves by dismissing the one thing that clearly separates protestants from Rome, formal discipline. According to reports, the killer, the slain wife, and their children were all active in church. Congragants knew the killer was unstable but were unable to protect themselves because Baptist leaders insist on centralized authority to control the congregation and limit congregational preasure. You can see how good that's done them: membership numbers on a death spiral (see SBC numbers), Pastors being exacuted in the pulpit, etc. You people better stand up and demand your local churches empower the congregation by reinstituting the authority given by the saviour to the "church," not Pastors (Mt18:17). God "rejects" those who refuse the "old paths" (Jer6:30).
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News Item12/9/14 2:42 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Dolores wrote:
Sorry, forgot to mention that the couple that our pastor married had been living together and he was asked by them to marry them and he did. It would be wonderful to attend a church that had no problems and everybody did and said the right thing but we live in a fallen world, attend a church with fallen people. Jesus, could have taken us out of this world when we became Christians but He didn't. He left us here to be His witness and gave us the power to do so by His filling us with His Holy Spirit. Giving us gifts to use in our churches and everyday life. We are called to be His ambassadors to a lost and dying world.
Ah, but also listen to, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=128111050574]]]God's High Demand for Holiness[/URL], Dolores.
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News Item12/9/14 1:21 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Elmer K. Yoder wrote:
Is it hopeful that the State Troopers will repent and be born again?
Eh, What's up Doc?
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News Item12/9/14 1:18 PM
Dolores  Find all comments by Dolores
Elmer, thanks for responding to my post. Yes, one of the state troopers attend our church and he and his wife and in-laws are members. His mother- in-law is involved in Angels Quilt Ministry. That's where the ladies meet every Thurs. to make quilts for cancer patients that are going through chemo. One lady in my S.S. Class that got one testified how it meant so much to her to read the scriptures and know the love that was put into making that quilt. I don't belong to that ministery because I hate to sew. I love to read so I volunteer once a week to work in the church library. The couple that our pastor married joined our church also and both got baptized. There are people being baptized almost every Sunday. Sometimes one, sometimes three or more. Just wanted to say our Baptist Church is pretty busy doing the Lord's work and our pastor is just like me in his love for Billy Graham and his minstrey and unlike me he was raised in a Roman Catholic Church.
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News Item12/9/14 11:15 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Robert wrote:
This tragic event would have been prevented by an active church policy of discipline (see Matthew 18:15-17), but Baptists dismissed with active discipline over a century ago,
Lack of church discipline? What in the world are you talking about Robert. First, I agree that Baptist churches are not keen on church discipline and need to return to it, but what does that have to do with this story? I have found no indication that the murderer was a member at the church or that there was any hanky-panky going on, just an overly suspicious husband. Honestly you don't know if church discipline would have prevented this, that is pure speculation on your part.

Maybe because you are in the area you are privy to information we don't know.

Also, the church leaders are not responsible for the actions of this man, even if he did belong to the church. That would be like if we were friends and I had a bad temper, and so I blame you for my anger issues because things you do provoke me to anger. The problem still is in me for having no control over my spirit (Proverbs 25:28)regardless of your actions.

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News Item12/9/14 10:57 AM
Dolores  Find all comments by Dolores
Sorry, forgot to mention that the couple that our pastor married had been living together and he was asked by them to marry them and he did. It would be wonderful to attend a church that had no problems and everybody did and said the right thing but we live in a fallen world, attend a church with fallen people. Jesus, could have taken us out of this world when we became Christians but He didn't. He left us here to be His witness and gave us the power to do so by His filling us with His Holy Spirit. Giving us gifts to use in our churches and everyday life. We are called to be His ambassadors to a lost and dying world.
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News Item12/9/14 10:37 AM
Dolores | Texas  Find all comments by Dolores
Thanks Robert for responding to my comment. We can only speculate about what happened. Thanks for making it clearer.you are right, it's more about just not fellowshipping the offending one and pastor or deacons going to them personally, I think. We had a couple in our church but not members. Our pastor must have reached them somehow, because he was preaching one Sunday and mentioned that he had been asked by this couple to marry them and he had the pleasure of doing that. I have already been praying for the church and the families of those involved.It's happening more and more and sad to say even in our churches. You are right, we have to be careful in how the situation is handled. Just my thoughts, others may disagree.
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News Item12/9/14 8:25 AM
Robert | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by Robert
Delores, according to Mt 18:15 the issue was between a witness and the adulterer, the Pastor was wrong to be involved and to attempt to physically dismiss the attendees: excommunication is not physical removal. But that is being attempted all over the country and resulting in suits (in viloation of 1Cor6:1), as well as slander, railings, and assaults. People, Baptists stole your preisthood and the preisthood of every believer over 100 years ago when they took formal corporate discipline out of your congregations; Baptists have already gone back to Rome, their polity is essentially "auricular" via Pastoral counciling. Gil Rugh's book mentioned by Jim Lincoln from Nebraska recommends pastoral counseling (if I remember correctly) which only increases the problem. Note: I almost went to the diceased Pastor James "Trippe" Battle's seminary but relented because of the observed internecine activity their.
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