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FRONT PAGE  |  12/5/2019
WEDNESDAY, DEC 3, 2014  |  27 comments  |  1 commentary
Before Beheading, Children Tell ISIS: 'No, We Love Jesus'

Some of the bravest martyrs this generation may ever know are teenagers—and perhaps even younger.

When Islamic State militants threatened four children in Iraq—all under the age of 15—with death if they did not promise to follow Islam's "prophet" Muhammad, they defiantly stated, "No. We love Yasua (Jesus). We have always followed Yasua."

Andrew White, an Anglican priest known as the "Vicar of Baghdad," has seen violence and persecution against Christians unprecedented in recent decades. In a CBN News video embedded on this site, he recounts the story of the Iraqi Christian children who were told by ISIS militants to convert to Islam or be beheaded. ...


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News Item12/6/14 10:59 AM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Brother US, I think I'll stop here for now. Y'll have a great day.

"Rand Paul: We armed ISIS' allies in Syria to fight them in Iraq"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e_4tUYc6ag

"Sen. Paul Questions Sec. Kerry on ISIS Strategy- September 17, 2014"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEqx7lawm4w

after 3 minute mark he speaks of these things.

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News Item12/5/14 8:40 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
pennned wrote:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus.
"He said that while Iraq had 1.5 million Christians, only a handful remain"
A Christian holocaust.
Which proves the CIA is capable of bad choices. I doubt they worked with these terrorist with the goal of beheading and killing Christians, and obviously since we said we are going to arm more of them we haven't learned our lesson.

But again, please connect the dots. Both you, my dear sister, and my good brother Michael Hranek stated,

"this slaughter represents the moral failure of the American church" and "The Unopposed Slaughter in Iraq, in Syria, and other places by ISIS and other zealous Muslims represent the moral failure of our modern day churches"

those are dots I need connection on. Had the public been more cognizant of these workings, you think our government would have acted differently? Again how is the government failed foreign policy and meddling the responsiblility of the church? As far as I can see, it just muslims being Muslims. Unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying, you are acknowledging it is a fulfillment of prophecy.

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News Item12/5/14 3:09 PM
Sernos  Find all comments by Sernos
GSTexas wrote:
I didnt know Cornelius Van Til had anything to do with Christian Reconstructionism.
"Although his anti-natural law approach to apologetics laid the groundwork for Reconstructionism, Van Til himself disclaimed affiliation with the movement, writing, “Then too I am frankly a little concerned about the political views of Mr. Rushdoony and Mr. North and particularly if I am correctly informed about some of the views Gary North has with respect to the application of Old Testament principles to our day. My only point is that I would hope and expect that they would not claim that such views are inherent in the principles I hold” (letter to Gregg Singer, 11 May 1972; cited in North, Political Polytheism, page 133fn)."

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/HistoryOfReconstructionMovement.html

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News Item12/5/14 2:25 PM
pennedd  Find all comments by pennedd
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-secret-cia-mission-in-benghazi-2013-5#ixzz3KyDCT6zg

Business Insider, May 17, 2013
"Its Time to Discuss the Secret CIA Operation At the Heart of the US Mission in Benghazi"

"In March 2011 Stevens, the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan rebels, worked directly with Belhadj while he headed the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group."

"Ambassador Stevens certainly would have known if the new Libyan government was sending 400 tons of heavy weapons to Turkey from Benghazi's port."

"Just like the CIA would know if those the weapons arrived in Turkey and began showing up in Syria."

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News Item12/5/14 2:14 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
pennleope wrote:
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Syrian-rebel-forces-trained-by-West-are-moving-towards-Damascus-324033
Jerusalem Post, 8/23/13
"Le Figaro reports rebel soldiers trained by US, Jordan, Israel crossed border to Syria on Aug 17"
Quote: "The rebels were trained for several months in a training camp on the Jordanian-Syrian border by CIA operatives, as well as Jordanian and Israeli commandos, the paper said."
and how does that show the blame for the problem is at the feet of the American church? They were trained by CIA because of the moral failure of the modern day churches?? Still don't see the connection, would appreciate the insight. Michael Hranek please feel free to jump in and help sister Pennned as I am apparently not the only that doesn't get it. Thanks
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News Item12/5/14 1:14 PM
pennleope  Find all comments by pennleope
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Syrian-rebel-forces-trained-by-West-are-moving-towards-Damascus-324033

Jerusalem Post, 8/23/13
"Le Figaro reports rebel soldiers trained by US, Jordan, Israel crossed border to Syria on Aug 17"

Quote: "The rebels were trained for several months in a training camp on the Jordanian-Syrian border by CIA operatives, as well as Jordanian and Israeli commandos, the paper said."

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News Item12/5/14 11:52 AM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Revelation 20:4

WND article, "they chopped off all their heads" today. quotes below:

"An Anglican priest known as the “vicar of Baghdad” for his work in war-torn Iraq has recounted atrocities inflicted on Christian children by ISIS"

"He said that while Iraq had 1.5 million Christians, only a handful remain"

A Christian holocaust.

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News Item12/5/14 11:18 AM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
I didnt know Cornelius Van Til had anything to do with Christian Reconstructionism.
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News Item12/5/14 7:32 AM
post  Find all comments by post
NB wrote:
The Christian reconstruction movement is limited to the Presbyterians. How many Presbyterians, let alone reconstructionists do you find posting on these forums? Why address a bunch of people that are not even here, let alone creating any waves?
"Christian Reconstructionism is a fundamentalist[1] Calvinist theonomic movement, founded by Rousas John Rushdoony, that has had an important influence on the Christian Right in the United States.[2][3] The movement declined in the 1990s and was declared dead in a 2008 Church History journal article.[4] Christian Reconstructionists are usually postmillennialists and followers of the presuppositional apologetics of Cornelius Van Til. They tend to support a decentralized political order resulting in laissez-faire capitalism.[5]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Reconstructionism
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News Item12/5/14 6:54 AM
NB  Find all comments by NB
Jim Lincoln wrote:
However it's God that picks leaders and not men. Oh....
[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right]]]The Christian Right Movement[/URL] is a disaster for the mission of Christians! ' "The Reconstructionist movement and its allies and offshoots, by substituting political and cultural action for the proclamation of the Gospel, by substituting eschatology for soteriology, and by mangling the Gospel itself, have become tools of Romanist political action" (3/02, The Trinity Review).' excerpt from, [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/cor/notes_on.htm]]]Notes on Reconstructionism[/URL]. Conservative Christians are overlooking [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=118121637304]]]The Inadequacy of Moralism[/URL]
The Christian reconstruction movement is limited to the Presbyterians. How many Presbyterians, let alone reconstructionists do you find posting on these forums? Why address a bunch of people that are not even here, let alone creating any waves?
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News Item12/5/14 6:40 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Frank, you'll be happy to know that some Muslims agree with you. [URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/magazine/radio-free-syria.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0]]]Radio Free Syria[/URL]. However it's God that picks leaders and not men. Oh....
[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right]]]The Christian Right Movement[/URL] is a disaster for the mission of Christians! ' "The Reconstructionist movement and its allies and offshoots, by substituting political and cultural action for the proclamation of the Gospel, by substituting eschatology for soteriology, and by mangling the Gospel itself, have become tools of Romanist political action" (3/02, The Trinity Review).' excerpt from, [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/cor/notes_on.htm]]]Notes on Reconstructionism[/URL]. Conservative Christians are overlooking [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=118121637304]]]The Inadequacy of Moralism[/URL]
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News Item12/4/14 7:10 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Will someone connect the dots for me? How is the slaughter of Christians by Muslims the fault of the churches in American or any other country for that matter. When the Roman government and the Jews were murdering, torturing and imprisoning Christians, could you show me where the blame for that was laid upon the "moral failure" church of that day. Thanks
Okay brother, I will give it a try. If the genuine Christian church had all turned out to vote, then Obama wouldn’t have been elected. If he had not been elected, then Benghazi would not have happened and apparently ISIS would never be a threat and especially in murdering so many folks. I for one didn’t vote when he ran against McCain and Palin and I’m sure there were millions of born again folks who did the same thing.

Now, I don’t believe the above is true, but perhaps that is what Pennned was referring to?

Yes, I am now in the no spin zone.

But, I like GSs response the best so far.

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News Item12/4/14 6:57 PM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Will someone connect the dots for me? How is the slaughter of Christians by Muslims the fault of the churches in American or any other country for that matter. When the Roman government and the Jews were murdering, torturing and imprisoning Christians, could you show me where the blame for that was laid upon the "moral failure" church of that day. Thanks
I too dont see how the Church is responsible for the actions of unregenerate sinners. Even in dead apostate churches nobody in encouraging the slaughter of Christians over seas.
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News Item12/4/14 6:11 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Will someone connect the dots for me? How is the slaughter of Christians by Muslims the fault of the churches in American or any other country for that matter. When the Roman government and the Jews were murdering, torturing and imprisoning Christians, could you show me where the blame for that was laid upon the "moral failure" church of that day. Thanks
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News Item12/4/14 12:56 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
kjg wrote:
What would the churches of the USA do if these children were their own congregants?
kjg
Thanks for your post. I am not exactly were you are coming from, and you probably didn't intend it the way I am taking it but from your post and that of others, paraphrasing here

in part
The Unopposed Slaughter in Iraq, in Syria, and other places by ISIS and other zealous Muslims represent the moral failure of our modern day churches (and let's put my own personal moral failure as well in there as well) to recognize others as being part of the family of God, and if they are not saved to recognize them as fellow human beings

Have Bush, Obama, McCain had a part in this .... probably, but the responsibility really lies with an apostate, or uncaring, or too busy with its own interestes and pleasures "church"

Thanks again for posting
More learning, growing and repenting to do
More reason to seek God and His righteousness

Really thanks

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News Item12/4/14 12:41 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
okay,
Brother, I meant you no harm by my comment, just clearing the name of others. no hard feelings either, thank you for your kindness.

And just so I am communicating a little more clearly, I did not mean to say that evangelicals are funding jihadists. The failure is in knowledge, but scripture says what happens to a people who have a lack of knowledge.

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News Item12/4/14 10:23 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
i apologize, I should not have said anything about your fine church. I request the moderator remove my 12/3/14 8:46 pm post
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News Item12/4/14 9:25 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
pennned wrote:
whoa. hold your horses there. what are you talking about? all I said is we have different backgrounds but the love of Christ is among us. how can you deduce from that such political speech?
okay, then will you please explain the following line

this slaughter represents the moral failure of the American church to trace Benghazi to the Syrian rebels financed and brought in

what does the American church have to do with financing of Syrian rebels? Unless you are privy to things I don't know about, I don't even know liberal churches that fund Syrian rebels.

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News Item12/4/14 12:37 AM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
They can be anti-American all they want
whoa. hold your horses there. what are you talking about? all I said is we have different backgrounds but the love of Christ is among us. how can you deduce from that such political speech?
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News Item12/3/14 8:46 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
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