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FRONT PAGE  |  1/19/2020
SUNDAY, NOV 2, 2014  |  44 comments
Sabbath or Die? Church Planters Talk the Importance of Godly Rest at Leadership Conference

The founder of New Life Fellowship Church in Queens, New York, pastor Pete Scazzaro said he knew that an 80-hour work week with no rest was one of the issues holding his church back, in the past, from experiencing change for the better.

The track featured eight speakers and emphasized the importance of Sabbath rest.

After describing his experiences with planting multicultural churches for the past eight years in New York City and how he experienced the difficulty of not seeing those in his congregation grow internally, Scazzaor said he knew something had to change.

He outlined some strong principals for church planters to keep in mind for their "inner life" with one of them including the practice of delighting in the Sabbath. ...


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Aaron Michael | Liverpool, UK  Contact via emailFind all comments by Aaron Michael
in case you did not notice wrote:
Then why do you think Daniel went up into his room and open his windows and prayed toward Jerusalem? (Daniel 6:10)
1 Kings 8:29,30 That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place. And hearken thou to the supplication of thy servant, and of thy people Israel, when they shall pray toward this place: and hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place: and when thou hearest, forgive.
you tent answer is the point I am making, thanks
I'm no scholar but I've never heard of a law that you have to pray toward Jerusalem.There were many traditions in them days like washing hands before eating. Quite a good tradition to hold but nevertheless its not from the Torah. I'm sure Daniel was praying out of tradition or a longing and love for Jerusalem to where God's presence did once dwell.
The piece from 1st Kings is a prayer of Solomon.
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News Item11/8/14 10:05 AM
in case you did not notice  Find all comments by in case you did not notice
Aaron Michael wrote:
I don't think there is a law for praying towards Jerusalem.
Then why do you think Daniel went up into his room and open his windows and prayed toward Jerusalem? (Daniel 6:10)

1 Kings 8:29,30 That thine eyes may be open toward this house night and day, even toward the place of which thou hast said, My name shall be there: that thou mayest hearken unto the prayer which thy servant shall make toward this place. And hearken thou to the supplication of thy servant, and of thy people Israel, when they shall pray toward this place: and hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place: and when thou hearest, forgive.

you tent answer is the point I am making, thanks

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News Item11/7/14 6:58 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Shane. I don't remember if she every said anything outright on the forum, or if it was through private conversation, but I remember Lurker mentioning that things were pretty bleak on her end. Haven't seen her in quite some time now...
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News Item11/6/14 4:05 PM
Shane | socal  Find all comments by Shane
Christopher... i don't think she was down and out. As I recall she felt her calling was to journey on away from the forum.
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News Item11/6/14 8:37 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Christopher000 wrote:
Sorry for the quick off topic, but...Lurker, who was the forum member that we were talking about once and mentioning a laptop? She was really down and out...Has she been back around?
Her moniker was Mourner. As far as I know she has not been back.
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News Item11/6/14 6:43 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Sorry for the quick off topic, but...Lurker, who was the forum member that we were talking about once and mentioning a laptop? She was really down and out...Has she been back around?
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News Item11/6/14 3:28 AM
MG | Down Under  Find all comments by MG
Hi Lurker. I agree that the gospel does not bring death - just as I believe the perfect law does not bring death (in and of itself). But, the gospel that is preached or displayed to others brings death (so to speak) if it is not accepted. The law, also, brings death to those who disobey. Through the Messiah we can have life and be freed from the *law of sin and death*. Good news indeed! But, do we then go and break His commandments? My belief is no.

Interesting thoughts on baptism.

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News Item11/5/14 9:41 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
MG wrote:
In fact, in chapter 2, he even talks about the gospel bringing death! Hebrews is all about the priesthood and sacrifices.
2 Cor 2:15-16 For *we* are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

MG, I know you strive to please God so I hope you take this as constructive. The gospel does not bring about death.

The key to understanding this text is in determining who *we* is. Paul always had a traveling companion who served as a Levite while he preached the gospel. Paul didn't baptize but his companion did.

Baptism, on the order of John Baptist's, also a Levite, put the flesh to death so the soul lives by the faith of Christ. This is what Paul meant when he said "I have planted, *Apollos watered*; but God gave the increase." For those who didn't believe the gospel.... they were confirmed in their death, both body and soul, by baptism. For those who think baptism is just a matter of running some tap water and sprinkling or immersing... you won't get it.

Re: The law and the NC. God promised to write His laws on hearts of flesh. How did/does He fulfill the promise?

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News Item11/5/14 7:39 PM
Elmer K. Yoder | Berlin, Ohio  Find all comments by Elmer K. Yoder
This is excellent Elmer. You know I was pondering this in relation to the Romans 13 Cult and their hobby doctrine. Assuming their hobby doctrine is what they claim, then their leaders would have to enforce the commandments of God and punish all those who disobey and doeth evil. And those who doeth evil, which isn't limited to the shedding of blood, are to be killed. So anyone, be they believers or unbelievers, women or children, are to be put to death for disobeying any commandment of God. Further, unbelievers are to be killed for simply not believing as they are in a constant state of doing evil. And come to think of it, even if the hobby doctrine applies to obeying the commandments of man, like the grievous millions of so-called laws, then the same punishment of death applies. Even not knowing all the so-called laws is reason enough for death! Oh dear!! Such burdens.

Elmer K. Yoder wrote:
[URL=http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-new-testament-commands]]]1050 NT Commandments[/URL]
I started doing this years ago but never finished. I'm glad someone has done so. I haven't inspected the entirety, but the author's opinion can be seen in some so take caution....
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News Item11/5/14 7:09 PM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
MG wrote:
GSTexas: It's easy to use 2Cor3 against the Torah/law. However, that can't really be the point here because there's too many other comment from Paul that show otherwise. In fact, in chapter 2, he even talks about the gospel bringing death! Hebrews is all about the priesthood and sacrifices. Read it through without a commentary, and it becomes quite clear (especially if you see the words that KJV adds).
I believe we had this discussion before, and didnt get anywhere. We'll just have to agree to disagree again.
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News Item11/5/14 3:41 PM
MG | Down Under  Find all comments by MG
GSTexas: It's easy to use 2Cor3 against the Torah/law. However, that can't really be the point here because there's too many other comment from Paul that show otherwise. In fact, in chapter 2, he even talks about the gospel bringing death! Hebrews is all about the priesthood and sacrifices. Read it through without a commentary, and it becomes quite clear (especially if you see the words that KJV adds).
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News Item11/5/14 11:42 AM
GSTexas  Find all comments by GSTexas
A reminder for some (Im not referring to the Sabbath, but the Old Testament laws).

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Hebrews 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

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News Item11/5/14 9:25 AM
Aaron Michael | Liverpool, UK  Contact via emailFind all comments by Aaron Michael
in case you did not notice wrote:
so what are saying, fyi, we should stone rebellious children? We should pray towards where the temple that would be located in Jerusalem? We should live in tents for a week?
I don't think there is a law for praying towards Jerusalem. As regards for living in a tent, that is for the native born Israeli. But remember Zechariah speaks prophetically here in chapter 14.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
So the feast of Tabernacles is for the nations too and not just a "Jewish Feast" as we have been led to believe

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News Item11/5/14 5:25 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Rodney K. wrote:
And we know that His commandments are not grievous (1Jn 5:3). Bro. John, might it be that our ATTITUDE toward and MOTIVATION for Sabbath keeping (as with most of God's commands) are what determine if we are being legalistic or not. Most Sabbath keepers I know tend to get so wrapped up in all the do's and don'ts of how they perceive the Sabbath ought to be kept that they lose sight of the fact that the Sabbath is a delight. It was a blessing created by God for man. It existed in the garden of Eden. I should be a time for the believer to set aside the cares of this life and take pleasure in their Creator, ponder His goodness, and joy in His salvation. Sabbath should be a time to look forward to, not a time of dread. Again, it is a blessing. It amazes me that people (I include myself) want to be blessed by God, yet they don't want THIS blessing. Why not? It is a blessing. It is from God. Shouldn't that be enough?
Amen indeed, Rodney. In these last days we need all the blessings God has for us, including this one. Mind, body and spirit all need that rest for one day in seven, and delighting in God with the company of God's people is never tiring when believers are "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day".
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News Item11/5/14 3:28 AM
MG | Down Under  Find all comments by MG
in case you did not notice wrote:
so what are saying, fyi, we should stone rebellious children? We should pray towards where the temple that would be located in Jerusalem? We should live in tents for a week?
There's a lot of things we should consider doing, yes. The stoning children one's easy to bring up to make all other laws seem implausible. The fact is - stoning was to be administered/sanctioned by government, and not individual decisions!

I have been grafted into Israel. I believe OT laws need to be reexamined by today's Christians.

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News Item11/5/14 2:07 AM
Elmer K. Yoder | Berlin, Ohio  Find all comments by Elmer K. Yoder
[URL=http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-new-testament-commands]]]1050 NT Commandments[/URL]

I started doing this years ago but never finished. I'm glad someone has done so. I haven't inspected the entirety, but the author's opinion can be seen in some so take caution.

Much more than merely 10 commandments, and even if the so-called sabbath-keepers obey 1, what good is it if they disregard the 1,000 or so?

(As noted, all commandments are summed up in loving God and loving thy neighbor.)

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News Item11/4/14 10:58 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
John UK wrote:
The Ten Commandments are wonderful, and are wonderfully summed up by the Lord Jesus to: Love God, Love Fellow Man. I think that's nice, and I would that all men would do just that.
And we know that His commandments are not grievous (1Jn 5:3). Bro. John, might it be that our ATTITUDE toward and MOTIVATION for Sabbath keeping (as with most of God's commands) are what determine if we are being legalistic or not. Most Sabbath keepers I know tend to get so wrapped up in all the do's and don'ts of how they perceive the Sabbath ought to be kept that they lose sight of the fact that the Sabbath is a delight. It was a blessing created by God for man. It existed in the garden of Eden. I should be a time for the believer to set aside the cares of this life and take pleasure in their Creator, ponder His goodness, and joy in His salvation. Sabbath should be a time to look forward to, not a time of dread. Again, it is a blessing. It amazes me that people (I include myself) want to be blessed by God, yet they don't want THIS blessing. Why not? It is a blessing. It is from God. Shouldn't that be enough?
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News Item11/4/14 5:25 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
The Ten Commandments are wonderful, and are wonderfully summed up by the Lord Jesus to: Love God, Love Fellow Man. I think that's nice, and I would that all men would do just that.
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News Item11/4/14 4:22 PM
in case you did not notice  Find all comments by in case you did not notice
fyi wrote:
FYI
Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
so what are saying, fyi, we should stone rebellious children? We should pray towards where the temple that would be located in Jerusalem? We should live in tents for a week?
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News Item11/4/14 3:50 PM
Aaron Michael | Liverpool, UK  Contact via emailFind all comments by Aaron Michael
in case you did not notice wrote:
ALL those commands were given to Jewish people see Exodus 31:17
And we Gentiles can be grafted into Israel too if we repent and believe
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