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FRONT PAGE  |  11/13/2018
TUESDAY, SEP 16, 2014  |  17 comments  |  1 commentary
Pastor Gets Jail Time for Noisy Church
A Columbia pastor is serving jail time after his church repeatedly violated the city's noise ordinance.

We've followed this story for close to two years about the dispute between neighbors and Rehoboth United Assemblies Church in Columbia concerning the amount of sound by the house of worship.

This week, a Richland County jury found church pastor Johnnie Clark guilty of unlawful sound amplification following a three-day trial where prosecutors laid out their evidence against him.


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News Item9/17/14 7:58 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
I have been to church services where the volume is so loud, that I have felt agitated and concerned about damage to my hearing. Jesus and the early church did not use electrical amplifiers, and therefore I believe they are unnecessary in worship.

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same."

~ Romans 13:1-3 NKJV

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News Item9/17/14 1:06 PM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
When people teach the warped version of Romans 13, they are essentially blending church and state. That is, whatever the magistrate does, the church must bow to it. In addition to this, many, as seen in Hagee, believe that the sword must be used to build their false kingdom of God, appealing in vitriolic manner for wores that are harmful both to our own country's interest and to the interests of human rights in general (not just wore).

Then many of these blame Catholics for combining church and state while they do the same thing.... think wore on terror, for example.

One thing you do not generally see in 501 churches is the concept of separation of church and state which implies the individual is responsible for living out the edicts of the new covenant....."thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven"

by combining church and state as a means to fulfilling their false readings of prophecy, they make the heresy of confining Christ's return to fulfilling man's politics. Christ's return is not revolved around man's empire buiding, but rather to deal with sin once and for all. Judgment and the gathering of the elect. Those who have rejected Christ will not be saved.

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News Item9/17/14 8:24 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Christopher000 wrote:
I don't know...after reading through the article, it seems to me that the pastor and congregants were being intentionally difficult
Christopher000
You probably already know I am a Baptist-type believer

One of the things that mark "us" as different from Roman Catholics and many Protestants as well (when we are in our right minds) is a belief in separation of church and state (separation of Islam and atheism and state won't be bad either)

So when a church gets out of line and violates God's commandment in this case disturbing the peace, the state should handle the matter justly, as pastors (Popes too) are not above the word of God and the state ought to protect people from any church that genuinely hurts, harms and wrongs them, like with pedophiles and religous con men who steal people's money

And it goes both ways, the state ought to protect churches, their clergy, staff and attendees and membes, from those who would slander them, threaten violence and lawsuit (extortion) against them, invade them, vandalize them, gun down those who attend and preach, etc as it should do for all its citizens. BTW the State can best do this when it acknowledges God our Creator exists (different from establishing any denomination)

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News Item9/17/14 7:16 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
I don't know...after reading through the article, it seems to me that the pastor and congregants were being intentionally difficult. Seems to me that they probably turned it up because, in their minds, the complaints were from sinners who didn't want God in the neighborhood. In defiance, they either ignored the complaints and/or turned up the volume to say, "our God is greater and we obey Him, not you" when they should have respected their neighbors simple complaints of excessive volume at unreasonable hours. I don't know about the jail time but I guess if he just wouldn't listen and out up a fight, they didn't have a choice. Seems like they were being arrogant and disrespectful if such a minor issue had to end like this.
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News Item9/16/14 4:06 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
didactics wrote:
Why Michael that's much better
Maybe

But what about you? How are really honestly doing?

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News Item9/16/14 2:44 PM
didactics  Find all comments by didactics
Michael Hranek wrote:
He Himself puts His children to praying btw, so that He might answer them, ....
He puts His preachers to TEACHING His Word and Preaching His Son Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior so that lost people whom He has choosen before the foundation of the world would be saved
Why Michael that's much better you have actually involved God in the work of His disciples and Ministers.

Remember;
Phil 2:13 For it is GOD which WORKETH in you both to WILL and to DO of HIS GOOD PLEASURE.
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the PURPOSE of him who WORKETH all things after the counsel of ***HIS OWN WILL.***

And remember "faith" is the gift of God to HIS Elect only.

So you are doing well now Michael I am impressed. And that last phrase about the elect being chosen at the foundation of the world is Great Biblical Calvinism. Keep it up Michael.

Oh BTW tell your buddies below all about the SOVEREIGNTY of God being absolute - NOT limited.

Psalm 115:3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
Prov 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
Isaiah 46:9,10.
Prov 19:21.
Rom 8:28.
Rom 9:18.
Rom 9:21.
And much much more....

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News Item9/16/14 1:39 PM
Stuart F  Find all comments by Stuart F
didactics wrote:
I guess what you are saying here Michael is that the Lord is failing in His duty to save the elect, some of whom you can obviously perceive are not being saved???
Perhaps you should complain directly to God that He is not achieving the levels of conversion and saving which you consider to be essential to your standards of building the church.
BTW
For your edification:-
Q73: How does faith justify a sinner in the sight of God?
A73: Faith justifies a sinner in the sight of God, not because of those other graces which do always accompany it, or of good works that are the fruits of it,[1] nor as if the grace of faith, or any act thereof, were imputed to him for his justification;[2] but only as it is an instrument by which he receives and applies Christ and his righteousness.[3]
1. Gal. 3:11; Rom. 3:28
2. Rom. 4:5; 10:10
3. John 1:12; Phil. 3:9; Gal. 2:16
A case of the chosen frozen.
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News Item9/16/14 12:43 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Brother John UK Wales
How much better to get arrested (if we have to get ourselves arrested) for preaching the Gospel, really preaching the Gospel, preaching the word of God, the Law of God, the Holiness of God, the day of His righteous judgment against all unrepentant and unbelieving sinners, His immeasurable undeserved reward for the Redeemed, pleading with sinners, Politicans and Prostitutes, drug dealers and church attenders, rich and poor, black and white, university educated and illiterate, literally everyone we can, to repent, "protesting" and exposing the evils in our world, preaching that only through Jesus Christ can one be forgiven and reconciled to God and today is the day of Salvation (things like that)
Much learning and growing to do in all this, and prehaps if it is God's will, jail time too.
Amen and amen and amen.
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News Item9/16/14 12:39 PM
Query  Find all comments by Query
didactics wrote:
I guess what you are saying here Michael is that the Lord is failing in His duty to save the elect, some of whom you can obviously perceive are not being saved???
Perhaps you should complain directly to God that He is not achieving the levels of conversion and saving which you consider to be essential to your standards of building the church.
BTW
For your edification:-
Q73: How does faith justify a sinner in the sight of God?
A73: Faith justifies a sinner in the sight of God, not because of those other graces which do always accompany it, or of good works that are the fruits of it,[1] nor as if the grace of faith, or any act thereof, were imputed to him for his justification;[2] but only as it is an instrument by which he receives and applies Christ and his righteousness.[3]
1. Gal. 3:11; Rom. 3:28
2. Rom. 4:5; 10:10
3. John 1:12; Phil. 3:9; Gal. 2:16
When was the last time you were obedient to the great commission? Last time you prayed for anyone with concern? Do you even know what the word 'concern' means? Or, does your election make you dumb and feelingless?
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News Item9/16/14 12:04 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
The Bible still says do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and I am sure they would want peace and quiet while they are trying to rest. It also says let not your good be evil spoken of. They are not being persecuted, they are being stubborn.
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News Item9/16/14 12:00 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
didactics wrote:
I guess what you are saying here Michael is that
Your "theology" is quite (I'm trying to be polite and respectful here) screwed up and would shut up the kingdom of heaven from men

didactics
If you could wake up and realize Jehovah is the Only True and LIVING God we won't have to have these 'exchages'

You would be wonderfully blown away in what His grace in the shed blood of Jesus Christ really is, how it relates to sowing and reaping to fruitful labors, to heard and answered prayers, which you probably don't appreciate He Himself puts His children to praying btw, so that He might answer them, anymore than you probably don't realize in His sovereignty He puts His preachers to TEACHING His Word and Preaching His Son Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior so that lost people whom He has choosen before the foundation of the world would be saved.

If you realized how twisted and perverted Satan has made the sovereignty of God to be in your 'do nothing, justify doing nothing' imitation of Christianity you would despise yourself for buying his lies and in mourful repentance cry out to God to forgive you and change you and as Paul did go out and preach the faith you once tried to destroy in others

Thank you very much

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News Item9/16/14 11:16 AM
didactics  Find all comments by didactics
Michael Hranek wrote:
If we were seeing the Gospel really preached in the fear of the LORD, in the Power of the Spirit, real Christian preaching (as in preaching Jesus Christ not just a little lip service to Him) in churches fervant in their praying we would be seeing people genuinely saved, born again, converted
I guess what you are saying here Michael is that the Lord is failing in His duty to save the elect, some of whom you can obviously perceive are not being saved???

Perhaps you should complain directly to God that He is not achieving the levels of conversion and saving which you consider to be essential to your standards of building the church.

BTW
For your edification:-
Q73: How does faith justify a sinner in the sight of God?
A73: Faith justifies a sinner in the sight of God, not because of those other graces which do always accompany it, or of good works that are the fruits of it,[1] nor as if the grace of faith, or any act thereof, were imputed to him for his justification;[2] but only as it is an instrument by which he receives and applies Christ and his righteousness.[3]
1. Gal. 3:11; Rom. 3:28
2. Rom. 4:5; 10:10
3. John 1:12; Phil. 3:9; Gal. 2:16

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News Item9/16/14 10:06 AM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Nothing biblical about this "church" co-pastored by the guys wife.
The noise was from their music not their preaching...
They had been warned over and over .
He is not suffering for the gospel but because of being a disturber of the peace!
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News Item9/16/14 8:58 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Chris Frost wrote:
Disagree. This a horrible reason to be jailed. This church intentionally irritated their neighbors on a regular basis. All they had to do was turn the volume knob down a notch. This is no way to share the gospel....shouting at people while they are trying to sleep. It is reminiscent of Westboro tactics.
Chris Frost Indiana
I hope you didn't get the idea that my comment was in anyway an approval of the ongoing conduct (if reported accurately) of this pastor and his church. I would NOT call that the preaching of the Gospel either.

That said, how much and to what degree is the Gospel of Christ really being preached today in our modern comfort and sin loving churches? imho it is a well developed artform to head today's local church to the world, to ecumenical and interfaith apostasy and to the ease and comfort of having a name you are alive while your church is really dead.

If we were seeing the Gospel really preached in the fear of the LORD, in the Power of the Spirit, real Christian preaching (as in preaching Jesus Christ not just a little lip service to Him) in churches fervant in their praying we would be seeing people genuinely saved, born again, converted

Much learning praying repenting to do

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News Item9/16/14 8:31 AM
Chris Frost | Indiana  Find all comments by Chris Frost
Disagree. This a horrible reason to be jailed. This church intentionally irritated their neighbors on a regular basis. All they had to do was turn the volume knob down a notch. This is no way to share the gospel....shouting at people while they are trying to sleep. It is reminiscent of Westboro tactics.
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News Item9/16/14 6:30 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Brother John UK Wales

How much better to get arrested (if we have to get ourselves arrested) for preaching the Gospel, really preaching the Gospel, preaching the word of God, the Law of God, the Holiness of God, the day of His righteous judgment against all unrepentant and unbelieving sinners, His immeasurable undeserved reward for the Redeemed, pleading with sinners, Politicans and Prostitutes, drug dealers and church attenders, rich and poor, black and white, university educated and illiterate, literally everyone we can, to repent, "protesting" and exposing the evils in our world, preaching that only through Jesus Christ can one be forgiven and reconciled to God and today is the day of Salvation (things like that)

Much learning and growing to do in all this, and prehaps if it is God's will, jail time too.

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News Item9/16/14 1:51 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I don't do noisy any more.
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