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FRONT PAGE  |  11/21/2017
TUESDAY, JUN 17, 2014  |  356 comments
PCUSA to Consider Labeling Israel An “Apartheid” State

The majority of American Protestants, especially evangelicals, stand behind Israel in its conflict with Palestine. This weekend, one denomination may break that trend, antagonizing supporters of the tiny, Jewish state.

The Presbyterian Church U.S.A. (PCUSA) will open its 221st General Assembly in Detroit on Saturday. One church committee has proposed divestment from Caterpillar, Hewlett-Packard, and Motorola Solutions, three companies that sell equipment to Israel for what the committee calls “non-peaceful” activities, including bulldozing some Palestinian buildings with missing permits and running security blockades in disputed territory.

At the last General Assembly in 2012, PCUSA commissioners voted 333-331 not to divest from this trio. Next week’s gathering could flip that margin, selling the church’s shares in phones, printers, and front-end loaders. ...


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News Item7/8/14 6:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I don't know if this information was put up, but it is interesting. 'Zionism Unsettled' Guide Is Removed From Presbyterian Church (USA) Website . It's good this liberal outfit received a little heat for its actions.
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News Item7/2/14 7:26 PM
James Thomas | Florida  Find all comments by James Thomas
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
James T. for FL, if you put in
colon thumbsup colon (no spaces between the word thumbsup and the colons

I have successfully used that from my phone
just fyi

Thank You US....I appreciate the commentary that you provide here as well. Your approach with words is more "iron sharpens iron" which is a pleasure to read.

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News Item7/2/14 5:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
UPS, it's thumbsup between the colons, and remember it's lower case! But looking at your note, you have it correct.

Palestinians biggest supporters of suicide bombing, says new survey of Muslim world, but interesting to note familiarity (sp?) is beginning to bred contempt.

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News Item7/2/14 11:45 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
James Thomas wrote:
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AMEN!
AMEN! To your comment as well Ladybug!
James T. for FL, if you put in

colon thumbsup colon (no spaces between the word thumbsup and the colons

I have successfully used that from my phone

just fyi

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News Item7/2/14 11:32 AM
James Thomas | Florida  Find all comments by James Thomas
John UK wrote:
Bro, it is important to weigh up the entire message of the Bible regarding redemption, which is its main theme. Why redemption?
Adam fell in sin, and WE in him. The soul that sinneth shall die. The human race is condemned by God, for "all have sinned" without exception. Shall God leave all men in such a state? Why not? He is just, he is always right. Will he, or won't he?
The man cannot undo what he has done, he has sinned, he will die. Can his works balance the scale? Nay! He will perish.
Can God, despite the sinfulness of his creatures, redeem such? Yes! He chose to save some, NOT ALL. This much is obvious. Or his love would be worth nothing.
The atoning sacrifice of his Son is the only way to redeem man.
But man is still resistant in his mind, he is at enmity with God by nature. It requires a powerful work of God in his heart.
The work being done, the loving God preserves him. Who is this man? It is I - a tulip man.
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AMEN!

AMEN! To your comment as well Ladybug!

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News Item7/2/14 10:38 AM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Strat wrote:
If each individual spent 1/10th of the time thinking,praying and working out their own salvation with "fear and trembling" instead of trying to work out the salvation of others perhaps more people would be truly saved,on the one hand we say salvation is determined by God and not man yet bicker constantly over ways and means,questioning the methods of one while not taking the time to consider our own.
The bible says preach the gospel to every creature....do it,some will accept it and others will reject it and let God take care of the salvation of mankind,man centered religion and ism's will always put man in charge and at the center which is in turn going to produce much debate which when you consider we have the word to teach us is a waste of time and energy.
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News Item7/2/14 8:48 AM
Strat  Find all comments by Strat
If each individual spent 1/10th of the time thinking,praying and working out their own salvation with "fear and trembling" instead of trying to work out the salvation of others perhaps more people would be truly saved,on the one hand we say salvation is determined by God and not man yet bicker constantly over ways and means,questioning the methods of one while not taking the time to consider our own.

The bible says preach the gospel to every creature....do it,some will accept it and others will reject it and let God take care of the salvation of mankind,man centered religion and ism's will always put man in charge and at the center which is in turn going to produce much debate which when you consider we have the word to teach us is a waste of time and energy.

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News Item7/2/14 8:34 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Time to Stand Up, both to Saudi Arabia --and-- the PCUSA.
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News Item7/1/14 1:59 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
ladybug wrote:
In it he tackles the truths of scripture that Calvinists overlook for fear of going against their doctrine; he does the same with Arminians.
"For example, there are men today who read God’s Word, and they see that the gospel is to be preached to every creature, and that God commands all who hear that gospel to believe in Christ; then they come across some texts on election, predestination:—“many are called but few are chosen” (Mat 22:14), and they say, Well, I cannot harmonize this. I cannot see how it is possible to preach, unhampered, a gospel to every creature, and yet for election to be true. And because they cannot harmonize the two things, they neither believe the two nor will they preach both. They cannot harmonize election with a gospel that is to be preached to every creature, and so the Arminians preach the gospel but they leave out election.
Yes, but there are many Calvinists who equally come under the rebuke of our text. They believe in the sovereignty of
God, but they refuse to believe in the responsibility of man." from http://www.chapellibrary.org/files/2213/7643/2902/..
Yes, ladybug! This is precisely it.
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News Item7/1/14 1:04 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It can be harmonized, ladybug, because only God knows who is saved or not. It isn't something that we determine

I ran across an interesting commentary from a charismatic who had some interesting thoughts on Israel Modern Charismatics aren't known for their interest in Israel, but this gentleman certainly has an interest, q v., Christ at the Checkpoint: The Dangers of Deception.

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News Item6/30/14 11:02 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Michael,
I wanted to share with you a sermon by A.W. Pink, called 'Christian fools'. In it he tackles the truths of scripture that Calvinists overlook for fear of going against their doctrine; he does the same with Arminians. Here is a snippet for you, "For example, there are men today who read God’s Word, and they see that the gospel is to be preached to every creature, and that God commands all who hear that gospel to believe in Christ; then they come across some texts on election, predestination:—“many are called but few are chosen” (Mat 22:14), and they say, Well, I cannot harmonize this. I cannot see how it is possible to preach, unhampered, a gospel to every creature, and yet for election to be true. And because they cannot harmonize the two things, they neither believe the two nor will they preach both. They cannot harmonize election with a gospel that is to be preached to every creature, and so the Arminians preach the gospel but they leave out election.
Yes, but there are many Calvinists who equally come under the rebuke of our text. They believe in the sovereignty of
God, but they refuse to believe in the responsibility of man." from http://www.chapellibrary.org/files/2213/7643/2902/..
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News Item6/30/14 3:12 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
penned wrote:
I would also be opposed to any hatred of the people of Israel! Christians are called to love their neighbor.
Penny, that's good to hear. Oh, what have the sweet, gentle, Muslim, :-7 been up to? Missing Israeli teens found dead near Hebron
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News Item6/30/14 10:43 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Are you trying to be somekind of idiot? Of course not.
Shake the dust off my feet for those more interested in a forced conversion to and bowing down under the dictates of those insisting "Calvinism is the Gospel" than people actually having faith in Jesus Christ? Take a good guess.
Bro, it is important to weigh up the entire message of the Bible regarding redemption, which is its main theme. Why redemption?

Adam fell in sin, and WE in him. The soul that sinneth shall die. The human race is condemned by God, for "all have sinned" without exception. Shall God leave all men in such a state? Why not? He is just, he is always right. Will he, or won't he?

The man cannot undo what he has done, he has sinned, he will die. Can his works balance the scale? Nay! He will perish.

Can God, despite the sinfulness of his creatures, redeem such? Yes! He chose to save some, NOT ALL. This much is obvious. Or his love would be worth nothing.

The atoning sacrifice of his Son is the only way to redeem man.

But man is still resistant in his mind, he is at enmity with God by nature. It requires a powerful work of God in his heart.

The work being done, the loving God preserves him. Who is this man? It is I - a tulip man.

344

News Item6/30/14 10:30 AM
penned  Find all comments by penned
I would also be opposed to any hatred of the people of Israel! Christians are called to love their neighbor.
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News Item6/30/14 10:14 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
pennned wrote:
Their religion is this...
Mary
Jesus

Same with Zionists, their religion is
Physical Israel
Jesus

Penned
I feel I really need to step away from posting here. Before I do let me briefly interact with you.

I appreciate your posting telling a bit clearer of where you are coming from

In my present circumstances if I might do likewise

I am likewise opposed to the (I hate to use the word here) faith of some

Hatred of Israel over
Jesus Christ

Insistance on KJV ONLYism and all the extras welded into it over
Jesus Christ

In that you, in my words here, insist on the Preeminence of Jesus Christ in and over all things, I can much appreciate that

His best to you in all your faith and obedient service to Him

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News Item6/30/14 9:49 AM
Kyle | AZ  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kyle
I didn't know the PCUSA stood for anything. You learn something new every day, I suppose.
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News Item6/30/14 9:44 AM
pennned  Find all comments by pennned
I can't speak for others here, but I've never been feeling the need to advance Calvin, although I respect the reformers for countering the RCC. I've never read any of his writings.

Understanding election, chosen race, royal priesthood, gives quite a grander picture of God's great gift to us, than we are a "parenthesis" in history. The gospel is the central message of the scriptures, and is life itself. This, of all things in life, is what matters most.

Anything that is put above Christ has been put out of order. Following Christ is not a "Jesus plus.." something else proposition but a singular mission in life, a ministry of reconciliation.

This is my concern with Catholics. They pray to the Father but when the Protestants leave, they pray to Mary. They say Mary is good. No, God is good. Even something good can become an idol. Their religion is this...

Mary
Jesus

Same with Zionists, their religion is

Physical Israel
Jesus

Many rewrite Christ's mission at second coming from dealing with all sin as conquering King to dealing with who was nice to national Israel (who has been flying their gay flag as of late).

These kinds of excesses diminish the work of Christ, in a day when we need His strengthening.

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News Item6/30/14 9:28 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
Now will you shake your fist at him?
Are you trying to be somekind of idiot? Of course not.

Shake the dust off my feet for those more interested in a forced conversion to and bowing down under the dictates of those insisting "Calvinism is the Gospel" than people actually having faith in Jesus Christ? Take a good guess.

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News Item6/30/14 9:17 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Michael Hranek wrote:
Dear Bro John UK Wales
Let me ask you some questions
The answers are 1 Bible, 2 No.

Okay so I gave some Bible earlier, but you ignored it because it interrupted your thinking. So you are a half-Bible man, brother. But this can be remedied.

Acts 18:9-11 KJV
(9) Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:
(10) For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.
(11) And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

This is God speaking directly to the apostle, showing him that in this new place of evangelism "I have much people". What possibly can he mean, except that God regards some folk as "his people" even before they are converted? Of course they were his, even before the foundation of the world when God "chose them to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth". But in time, they are not "his" unto they come to themselves and turn to the Lord in repentance and faith, by the effectual calling of the Spirit.

Those in the city who were saved, received God's grace because he chose to give them grace. Now will you shake your fist at him?

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News Item6/30/14 8:13 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
Well Michael my bro, I tend to read folks with a good track record of winning souls to Jesus Christ.
Dear Bro John UK Wales
Let me ask you some questions

Did those men you mentioned point people to what the Bible actually says, or to what men say about the Bible?

Did any of them teach and set an example of bowing down to the "Moniker Men" of their day?

If I choose to read Spurgeon, I think it is safe to say I need to read his books wearily knowing there is something wrong, very wrong with "Calvinism is the Gospel", quite different than 'in my opinion Calvinism is a poor/imperfect discription of the Gospel'

Quite different to those who 'lift up' "Calvinism is the Gospel" as somekind of Protestant Transubstantionism demanding people bow to it and worship it, like Catholic priests do with their "eucharist" BECAUSE if you don't we (hyper Calvinists and those who have bowed and surrendered to their pressure) will put you out, something like the party of circumcision did with Gentile believers in Galatia who dared be uncircumcised in the flesh of their foreskins

Oops! I guess with some I am casting pearls before swine

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