That statement is a sobering one for me. It‚Äôs one that all pastors and church leaders need to hear.
There‚Äôs a real temptation in ministry (at least for me), to spend my time ministering to those outside my home to the detriment of ministering to those inside my home. If we allow our congregations‚Äô needs to dictate our schedules, neglecting our responsibilities at home can be sinfully justified.
Remember, in order to be qualified to pastor God's people, a pastor ‚Äúmust manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God‚Äôs church?" (1 Tim. 3:4-5, ESV)....
There were a series of sermons from IHCC that I have been adding informal and --unofficial-- summaries/briefs to, and one of the latest ones, which I would NOT apply to the pastor in this SA thread, but to those who do what should be the unthinkable, and commit adultery. Dr. Rugh really, really blasts them in the sermon, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=622121318391]]]Wise Men Live Out God's Wisdom[/URL].
Pastors, like men in several other professions can get into trouble, more easily than others. So, it's good advice that the pastor in the thread to be thinking about strong marriages. The sermon should be a warning to any man who gets lax in not keeping the marriage bonds strong--and his attention at home.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: vir¬∑tu¬∑ous ?v?rCH?w?s/ adjective adjective: virtuous having or showing high moral standards so no women can have high moral standards? And if there can be no virtuous women, why does Proverbs 31 describe one? Just curios
Excellent point UPS, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=720121126360]]]The Virtuous Wife and Mother[/URL].
Yes, Mike of N.Y., I would say if a pastor isn't also a good husband and father -- he should be kicked out of the pastorship permanently. Even if he reforms he will leave a bad taste in the membership's mouth.
Bill wrote: Maybe I misunderstand you but since when is leading a family not the Lord's work? Pastor or not. A man is called to his family first, his work second. If a man loses his family he might as well step out of the ministry. No one will listen to him anyway.
An excellent point, Bill. the only relationship that takes priority over the husband&wife + children is our personal relationship with God Again see, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=7271212956]]]Husbands and Wives As Parents[/URL] and [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=727121158564]]]Accountability as Teachers[/URL] and even a few earlier sermons.
Good. Chris. a couple of sermons one directly connected here, and the one that was before it can easily be found from its URL. This is a new sermon that was preached about 3 years ago . It just got put up today. it's quite good about explaining the responsibilities of teachers/preachers.
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=727121158564]]] Accountability As Teachers[/URL].
SteveR wrote: Not that I am always on topic, but on the RC bashing we do, nobody thinks that there aren't people within RC that love Jesus or that they are less beloved of our Lord. But all that seek Him find their way out of Rome, as they would out of Hinduism.
coupling this comment along with one in another thread about you councilling JY to come out of the church, that's all it's ever about...exposing the false doctrines and trying to get across to him the importance of attending a church that teaches, preaches, and trys to live by the bible alone. I know he does, but he surrounds himself with a lot of other pollution that must get entangled with truth at times. I know there are some who say things they shouldn't, speak poorly, and should just keep silent, but others do nothing but speak out about the false doctrines that enslave so many. There are people on this forum who care, minus those who rail against him for certain reasons. I think he's a special case and is worth the ongoing effort, although, I know I don't have a whole lot of company.
Can a man be a good pastor if he has a wife who works against him and children that refuse to obey and respect him ? or are we to believe in the magic formula that some think exist,once again the assumption is made that in this modern society men have total control over their lives and everyone in them,or they could have if they pushed all the right buttons and used all the right formulas
By today's standards probably two in ten pastors are qualified to be pastors......I mean everyone instantly submits to and clears a path for a Godly man....right.
Triply wrote: Every time the phone rings or a text comes in, whatever the pastor was doing with his wife or children is immediately put on ice. How can you compete with the Lord's work? Can a good pastor be a good husband?
Being a good husband is also the Lord's work, and I would suggest necessary, in order that a married pastor might be a good one.
get real wrote: dear lady parts, no one is virtuous ... no one ... still tempting men with impure thoughts i see ... they still beat john up every morning on the playground... they are the "holier than thou" crowd ... they think they do God a service ...
Based on the required qualifications for elders stated in I Timothy 3, the answer is no. The question posed by this headline was answered by the Scriptures thousands of years ago. The fact that someone would ask this brings "Have ye not read?" to mind.
Not that I am always on topic, but on the RC bashing we do, nobody thinks that there aren't people within RC that love Jesus or that they are less beloved of our Lord. But all that seek Him find their way out of Rome, as they would out of Hinduism.
These are loved by my Lord. The difference between you and most of us here is that we recognise Rome for the phoney monster that it is. And you present a ready defence for that Harlot.
In all our duels, it's Rome that I despise, not the Roman Catholics that Jesus came for and is coming again for.
Every time the phone rings or a text comes in, whatever the pastor was doing with his wife or children is immediately put on ice. How can you compete with the Lord's work? Can a good pastor be a good husband?