Bill Nye may be ‚ÄúThe Science Guy,‚ÄĚ but Ken Ham is the ‚ÄúAnswers in Genesis‚ÄĚ man, and a debate between the two over the origins of life has nonbelievers and Christians wringing their hands.
Nye, host of a beloved television science series, and Ham, president of a creationist apologetics ministry, will meet at the Creation Museum, where Ham is also the president, on Feb. 4. In what some wags are calling ‚Äúthe Ham-on-Nye debate,‚ÄĚ they will weigh this question: ‚ÄúIs creation a viable model of origins?‚ÄĚ
In truth, both sides answered that question long ago ‚ÄĒ Nye with Charles Darwin‚Äôs work on the origin of species and Ham with the first book of the Bible. Yet many observers ‚ÄĒ both religious and nonreligious ‚ÄĒ say the debate is a very bad idea.
‚ÄúScientists should not debate creationists. Period,‚ÄĚ wrote Dan Arel on the Richard Dawkins Foundation‚Äôs website. ‚ÄúThere is nothing to debate.‚ÄĚ...
Fr Thomas J. Reese SJ wrote: Catholics who became Protestant also claim to have a stronger faith now than when they were children or teenagers. Seventy-one percent say their faith is ‚Äúvery strong,‚ÄĚ while only 35 percent and 22 percent reported that their faith was very strong when they were children and teenagers, respectively. On the other hand, only 46 percent of those who are still Catholic report their faith as ‚Äúvery strong‚ÄĚ today as an adult.
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This Jesuit did make one mistake if Catholics had actual Bible study, [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC1W1100.pdf]]]Catholic Bible Studies[/URL], Catholics would be leaving the Romish Church in even larger numbers than they are now!
Christopher000 wrote: ...I think this is where the buck stops for most because its no easy thing to supress the lusts of the flesh or intellectual pride.
God: "And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know."--- 1 Corinthians 8:2
God: "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."--- 1 Corinthians 10:13
Bellcron, the evolutionist speculates in ignorance, but willful ignorance. I believe that we are all born with, and take into adulthood, a sense of the almighty and see Him every day as we look from left to right, or up into the vastness of space on a dark, moonless night. I believe that as many reach the age of accountability, they have chosen their directions, taking a left when they sensed, deep down within, that they should have went right. Turning left allows them to live, think, and imagine as they will; making full and free use of their superior intellects to build up or break down anything they choose with kudos from the world because they're too smart to be wrong. Turning right, they would have chosen a life of obediance and submission, having to give up all control, essentially becoming a humble nobody (to them); a life void of pride, arrogance, worldly fanfare, and back patting intellectual superiority which they so enjoy. Turning right forces them into a life of self control and I think this is where the buck stops for most because its no easy thing to supress the lusts of the flesh or intellectual pride.
Bellcron wrote: Tell me Christopher000, do you believe that God's revealed truth, secrets and mysteries are made manifest only to the Remnant. So that evolutionary science and all reprobate thinking is oblivious to the truth of Scripture? Thus the creationist receives the truth, whereas the evolutionist speculates in ignorance?
I believe your above comment to be completely true, without nuance.
Christopher000 wrote: I always find these debates super interesting but it's always the one technical question that the creationist doesn't answer well that everyone hangs on; disregarding everything before and after. I don't believe these debates sway anyone either way, but I find them useful in equipping us better to answer questions that others may pose while witnessing, etc.
Tell me Christopher000, do you believe that God's revealed truth, secrets and mysteries are made manifest only to the Remnant. So that evolutionary science and all reprobate thinking is oblivious to the truth of Scripture? Thus the creationist receives the truth, whereas the evolutionist speculates in ignorance?
It is interesting, I have watched Dawkin's debate that one guy from the university that Dawkin's teaches at..... Can't remember his name but they have debated several times and Dawkin's doesn't refence it.
I do think it is revealing though that Dawkin's believes there is no reason to debate. I expect that from soneone who cannot back up their argument.
My hope is that Mr Ham will make this a critical thought debate. The other side wants you to believe it is science verses creation, that is not the argument and those 2 should be pitted against each other for they are not exclusive, quite the contrary
this world needs more and more understanding of Creationsim! that is, that God designed nature with a purpose and when we go against that nature we harm ourselves further. glad to see friendly debate in a public arena, I've known evolutionists who push their ideas only because they think its the only scientific option available to them. The God who created us was obviously a scientific master, creating order out of nothing and life in great complexity that we will never completely understand. who can look at the stars in the sky and not marvel as we spin and hurl through space and yet live!
Anyway, I always find these debates super interesting but it's always the one technical question that the creationist doesn't answer well that everyone hangs on; disregarding everything before and after. I don't believe these debates sway anyone either way, but I find them useful in equipping us better to answer questions that others may pose while witnessing, etc.
Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Psalm 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. 5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses. 8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast. 10 The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.