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FRONT PAGE  |  10/17/2019
Choice News SUNDAY, DEC 8, 2013  |  45 comments  |  2 commentaries
Judge: Gay ‘Rights’ Trump Religious Rights

A Colorado judge says a baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony must serve gay couples despite his religious beliefs, a ruling that a civil rights group hailed as a victory for gay rights.

Administrative Law Judge Robert N. Spencer ruled Friday that Jack Phillips, the owner of the Masterpiece Cakeshop in suburban Denver, will face fines if he continues to turn away gay couples who want to buy wedding cakes.

Judge Spencer said Phillips did not demonstrate that his free speech rights had been violated and he said there’s no evidence that forcing him to make a cake for a same-sex ceremony would hurt his business.

“On the contrary, to the extent that the law prohibits Respondents’ (Phillips) from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation, compliance with the law would likely increase their business by not alienating the gay community,” he wrote. ...

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News Item12/14/13 2:55 PM
Rationalist | Texas  Find all comments by Rationalist
Here's what the gay rights agenda is really about...

Demanding tolerance gave way to demanding recognition which gave way to demanding equality which is now giving way to demanding superiority.

So much for the Stonewall excuse that all they wanted was to be "left alone"...

Gay fascists won't be satisfied until they've silenced every opposition - especially true born again Bible believing Christians...

Examine evidence where Christianity is being intimidated through bullying, threats, intimidation, laws or lawsuits - Christian business owners who are approached by gay couples trying to force them into compromising their beliefs and then suing them when they won't...gays picketing churches who's ministers preach that homosexuality is a sin - does that sound like "tolerance" ?

It's happening more and more - so it's not just about marriage equality anymore -

it's about eradicating any ideology that disagrees with homosexuality.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10: “Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”


News Item12/12/13 5:17 PM
Dorcas | USA  Find all comments by Dorcas and your wife have been in my prayers for some time now.
If its any consolation ...many of us are being tried and tested...our Lord said in this world we shall have tribulation.
Psalm 121 is a great comfort to me and has great promises from our God.

News Item12/12/13 11:54 AM
GsTexas | Texas  Find all comments by GsTexas
I'm sorry to read that Chris. I'm not a man of eloquent words, so I wont try and cheer you up, ill just pray for you instead.

News Item12/12/13 7:55 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Man, I just read over and didn't realize I was typing out such a long, dark paragraph. Sorry about that all, even I'm getting sick of it...ha-ha. That will be the last of it...moving on now...

News Item12/12/13 7:53 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks GS, and no...things are terrible on a consistent basis, like a flat line from AM to PM. I know it's deceiving because I post and joke around a lot, but it's forced. Looking onward towards the prize, prayer, etc, etc used to work, or at least ease things up a bit but nothing whatsoever is working these days. The one and only reason that I ever bring any of this up to a bunch of strangers; embarrassing myself, is because I am a firm believer in the power of prayer and know some here do just that as a result.. I'll take all I can get because it's the only hope I have. My door is always open for anyone who needs it in return as well. Ok, enough about that.

No, my wife would never move out to the country, live on a farm, have animals, etc. She, among many other things, is a germaphobe. She will try to nonchalantly watch me wash dishes to make sure I am doing them right, watch me take a pizza out of the oven, and then watch me slice it to make sure I don't touch it with the hot pad, or let the pizza touch the edge of the pan its on, etc. Imagine her on a farm or being touched by an animal, etc? Not gonna happen...ever...ha-ha.


News Item12/12/13 1:51 AM
GsTexas | Texas  Find all comments by GsTexas
Well Chris, maybe one day your wife will come around to living in the country. I've lived in the country most of my life, and I just couldn't live in a city, especially with all the crazys and gang bangers that come with it. Are you doing ok now? I remember reading that you were battlling some emotional issues. Hope everythings going ok. Just remember that as a Christian you are a child of the living God, and imputed the righteousness of Christ, and one day you will be in his presence for all eternity, free of sin and heartache. That alone is a cause of much rejoicing. May the Lord lift you up with many blessings.

News Item12/11/13 4:50 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
...good partner to help and back you up.

News Item12/11/13 4:49 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
GS Wrote:
"Chicago Politics is turning out to be quite the troll"

I'm not sure how I would define this guy, but none of the ways would be pleasant. He goes by many names. His real name is Tony Cisneros (don't care if I didn't spell that right), and most know him as street preacher. Crazy huh?...street preacher, that is. I hope for the sakes of all weak and unlearned souls tbat he doesn't spread his noscensical drivel onto the streets of Chicago. I grew up in the city of Chicago and I'm embarassed that he even makes it onto the ballots, but relieved that the voters always say, no, no, no! I've tried to be nice to the guy, but he's like another guy and lady matter what you say, no matter how you try to reach out and be kind, etc, they lash out because of all the hatred, I guess, that lives within. Honestly, he's pretty much of a nut so I really don't care much anyway.
I lived on a farm in one of the foster homes I was in I have always loved the inner city, but would love to have a small place far away from the hustle and bustle, and danger, with some animals, like you, etc. Not going to happen while I'm married, but that's a direction that I'd really like to take myself. Good luck with that...nothing like being self sustaining, and nothing like having a go


News Item12/11/13 11:13 AM
GsTexas | Texas  Find all comments by GsTexas
That's right Chris, I'm not trying to gang up or be mean, just defending this Baker, and curious about how Lisa counsels homosexuals, without being able to share the Gospel I suppose. I don't if I would be able to not share the Gospel with someone like that, because I think I would feel an immense sense of guilt.

Chicago Politics is turning out to be quite the troll.


News Item12/11/13 7:37 AM
Chicago Politics 101  Find all comments by Chicago Politics 101
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News Item12/11/13 7:37 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
...pure curiosity, nothing more.

News Item12/11/13 7:32 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi Lisa...I hope you don't feel like you are being ganged up on or anything. Nothing like that at all. I think everyone is just wondering how you are able to council that particular situation without being able to give them biblical answers. For someone in your profession, and being a born again Christian, you must have some very intense challanges because I wonder how you can keep yourself from providing worldly, feel good, you're right, their wrong, etc. answers.

News Item12/10/13 1:16 PM
GsTexas | Texas  Find all comments by GsTexas
What's the point in helping someone psychologically, without helping them spiritually (sharing the Gospel so that they may leave their abominable lifestyle and embrace Jesus Christ as Lord and saviour). They would be cured psychologically, but still have an eternity in hell to look forward to.

News Item12/10/13 12:02 PM
penny  Find all comments by penny
Lisa, how exactly do you "treat" a young person who has been homosexualized and the other kids don't like it??

News Item12/10/13 8:53 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Lisa wrote:
Often there is only one kid in the school who is gay and they are marginalised and bullied and occasionally suicidal because of the bullying. I think if Jesus was in my position he wouldn't be refusing to befriend and help someone because he knew them to be a sinner.
True. Would you also say, as he did, "..go, and sin no more"?

News Item12/10/13 7:48 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Hi really peaked my curiosity. How do you, as a born again Christian, council a homosexual who comes to see you because they are down and out; even suicidal, due to being bullied over being gay? I think you have a secular practice so you really can't wrap your sessions around and base them upon biblical doctrine (I don't think anyway) can/do you? With this in mind, hiw do you council this particular type of issue. I wonder how someone in your position can get by without leading the person to believe that they are who they are, nothing is wrong with them, and that the bullies just don't understand, etc.
Serious question because I wonder what possible recourse you would have while maintaining a biblical perspective, even though you have to keep those views to yourself (I think).

News Item12/9/13 4:06 PM
Chicago Politics 101  Find all comments by Chicago Politics 101
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News Item12/9/13 1:30 PM
Martin Rizley | Texas  Find all comments by Martin Rizley
Probably, the distinction you make is the only possible way that the U. S. can remain a single nation with a populace that operates on the ground of such radically different worldviews. Bakers, photographers, will have to specify in their advertising that they offer their services for "Christian weddings" or "traditional (heterosexual) weddings." Notice-- that makes it very clear that they are not discriminating against people as people; rather, they are refusing to provide services for certain types of ceremonial celebrations. If the government insists on writing into law a pagan concept of "marriage," then to avoid tyranny, it must be willing to accommodate people of faith who refuse to lend their time or talents to support or promote in any way heathen ceremonies. We don't expect Jewish bakers to bake a "Happy Birthday, Hitler" cake for a neo-Nazi organization, or a black photographer to photograph a Ku Klux Klan meeting. Neither should we expect Christian doctors or nurses to participate in elective abortions. Why shouldn't our government accommodate the religious and moral convictions of business owners or employees? It's because of a globalist agenda aimed at social control. "Big Brother" wants to indoctrinate all people to accept moral relativism.

News Item12/9/13 1:04 PM
Lisa | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lisa
Having the idea change that homosexuality is no longer a medical condition is kind of interesting in the uk- see we have too many referrals into the world of psychiatry and not enough psychiatrists to cope and whereas we used to have to see and treat paraphilias ( sexual perversions) we now refuse to see and treat because they are now now longer considered a medical condition.
So ok- if I were asked to treat a depressed gay person I would have no problem and wouldn't feel that it was any conflict with my own personal religious morality. In fact I would consider it a privilege, I mean Jesus helped the woman in sexual sin who was about to be stoned and he was mates with tax collectors. Much of my contact with gay people has been through them experiencing homophobic bullying. Often there is only one kid in the school who is gay and they are marginalised and bullied and occasionally suicidal because of the bullying. I think if Jesus was in my position he wouldn't be refusing to befriend and help someone because he knew them to be a sinner.
I don't know how that equates with baking cakes...I think the government should have made a clear distinction between Christian marriage and heathen marriage and I think that's the only way forward and the only way that allows the issue of both

News Item12/9/13 6:52 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Good posts, Rafael, Martin, and others. As for some others, I have to stick with my original post. I always like to remind everyone, like get real mentioned, that homosexuality was considered a mental disorder until recently. Really crazy how quickly they have advanced and taken the law by it reins. Kind of reminds me of the woman riding the beast...all drunken and disgusting, laughing, haughty, trampling everyone in her path, etc.
Oh man, GS...that was quite the interesting analogy...ha-ha. I think simple analogies are great tools to help others paint pictures of views that they might not be seeing clearly.
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