John MacArthur Responds to Critics Who Believe His Strange Fire Conference Is Divisive, Unloving
The Rev. John MacArthur, influential author, pastor and seminary president, responded to critics of the three-day Strange Fire conference at his Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, Calif., that many pastors believe is causing dissention among the faithful because he's teaching that the Charismatic movement is leading people astray and dishonors the Holy Spirit.
MacArthur commented that some of his critics have said that he's fixated on the Charismatic movement, a claim he countered by noting that in his 45 years in ministry, this was his first conference he's held on the movement, and believes it has come too late.
"In response to this conference, there have been some attacks, and we've been unable to escape them," MacArthur said to the more than 3,000 attendees at the conference Friday night. "I just want to address those, because I do think that it's important to answer the criticisms that...
Christopher000 wrote: John, do you still get those cluster headaches? Are they any lighter, less frequent, or the same? You know, I never get headaches or migranes but know people who do and understand the pain can be unbearable. I can't imagine having pain in a place where you can't massage it, fix it, or do anything but hope it goes away.
Much the same, Christopher. However, thanks to improvements in modern medicine, I can get pain relief not through damage but by somehow controlling the blood flow through my head. It still limits activities, but allows me to eat, drink and be merry. Oh boy. Ha. Thanks for the enquiry.
Thankfully in heaven there are no maladies ever again. The Lord Jesus Christ has purchased eternal redemption, which includes the redemption of the body.
John, do you still get those cluster headaches? Are they any lighter, less frequent, or the same? You know, I never get headaches or migranes but know people who do and understand the pain can be unbearable. I can't imagine having pain in a place where you can't massage it, fix it, or do anything but hope it goes away.
Christopher000 wrote: Hey John, what did you think about what I said? Make any sense, or non-scensical rambling? Probably the latter...ha-ha. Whatever. Good day Sir!
Ha Ha! Oh boy! Christopher, you're a marvel.
Your post was perfect in every way, which is why I could not fault it and respond.
The clue you gave was the word "package". Who ever received a parcel without a stamp or postage paid sticker on it. Who bought a bicycle without wheels? Whoever got saved without being given a new nature. "If any man is in Christ he is a new creature..."
Can I add another biblical dimension ? Yu constantly talk,of repenting of sin...but it's not really a question of sin, it's a question of being a sinner ( an analogy - if I remove every bomb that a bomb factory makes, it only stops the bombs. To truly make the situation safe I need to remove the bomb making factory). That is why we don't need to confess every single sin....we need to die to sin once and for all. Here are some bible verses....( may help understand how we die to sin). Galatians 2 vs 20 I am crucified with christ Romans 6 chapter 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as we're baptised into Jesus Christ were baptised into his death, therefore we are buried with him by baptism int,o death. V 6- knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.
We cannot stop sinning, not possible. We must get to the position in which by faith, we know ( just as you knew that Jesus was your saviour etc) that we are dead.
Jc wrote: Sorry I didn't use any words as you John to get pretty much the same point across that must have flew right over the top of your head. You clearly misunderstood pretty much everything I've said and come across as very wrongfully judgemental but it's alright my friend
Sure it's all right.
You say: "I have no beef with J.M. But this is not what he teaches. And for any preacher or pastor to tell of otherwise you mark them. I've listened to this man speak his version of the plan of salvation and it goes "you must repent of all of your sins" "endure until the end" " then believe that is the messiah" to obtain salvation. Unfortunately we all know or should know this is not how we are saved."
Now in the article I encouraged you to read, Johnny Mac says that the truth is we are "saved by grace through faith in Christ ALONE.
Now I will defend anyone who is misquoted or told lies about, including this particular brother who holds much that I disagree with.
You may wriggle and squirm as much as you like, but until you start showing some proof of your heinous accusations, I cannot come to any conclusions from what you say, therefore you are not edifying me nor anyone else.
I don't believe that repentance is any kind of a requirement as opposed to its being a necessary and integral part if the salvation process. When I say process, I don't mean that there are physical, ordered steps that must be taken, but rather one of several things that must happen for anyone to be able to claim that they have had a genuine conversion experience; to have been truly born again. I think that when you are truly born again, the Holy Spirit begins the "process"...the process of purifying and convicting. Like a non-repentant heart is no longer possible, bars and strip clubs become fowl, your old church, filled with heresies, makes you uncomfortable, a newly compassionate heart leads you to good works, etc, etc. In a sense, I believe all of these, and much more, are in fact requirements because they are the fruits; the evidence of a born again heart, as opposed to someone who recited the magic prayer but never shows outward signs of change. Now, there is only one requirement for salvation, but are not all of these requirements as well because they come as a package? I guess a better way to put it would be to say that you must be born again, but these things must follow; this evidence must be your witness (?)
Sorry I didn't use any words as you John to get pretty much the same point across that must have flew right over the top of your head. You clearly misunderstood pretty much everything I've said and come across as very wrongfully judgemental but it's alright my friend
Jc wrote: Yes I meant born again. Well John I'm taking that if the boy accepted jesus as his savior at 15 then he was born again. The only people that know if he was really born again was him and th lord. I'm just taking what he wrote it that he accepting it as it is. If that's not so there should have been more clarification.
Jc, if you are unaware of this, there are a multitude of tares in the "church" who have "accepted Christ as their Saviour", who nevertheless are not born again, they are not saved, they are not justified, they are still bound for hell.
A lot of these have come through altar calls, or signing a decision card, or having pressed their hands on the TV screen, or have done the Alpha Course, or simply read a prayer for sinners on the back of a tract. In other words, the evangelism was faulty, and sinners misdirected.
Conversion occurs through a sovereign work of God (in the life of his elect) bringing forth repentance from sin (general not necessarily specific) and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ as a sacrifice of substitution.
Thus, one who trusts Christ also has a repentant heart, because God does that. It is less what a man must do to be saved, and more what God has done to save sinners.
Honestly that was me and many others felt that's what he was saying that even though he accepted Christ as his savior at 15 but because he didn't submit until later in his life he wouldn't go to heaven. And if that's what he meant then I got a big problem with that and I'm sure many other would too. So I hope I made it understandable where me and somebody else was saying. Good day friends
Yes I meant born again. Well John I'm taking that if the boy accepted jesus as his savior at 15 then he was born again. The only people that know if he was really born again was him and th lord. I'm just taking what he wrote it that he accepting it as it is. If that's not so there should have been more clarification.
I think I see what your saying. I don't believe that you have to make a list of every sin, and repent of each one individually, just simply acknowledging that your sin had made you an abject failure before a God who demands perfection, and a vehement desire to turn from sin, which is brought on by the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of our lord Jesus Christ as the only means of salvation from our sin.
Jc wrote: John uk I'm looking at it right now and it says that at age fifteen is when he accepted Christ as his savior.
You see, Jc, that if Johnny is saying that the boy ACTUALLY received Christ as his Saviour at 15, then he was ACTUALLY saved then, and because Johnny does NOT believe a saint can lose his salvation, your quotes do not make sense to me at all.
Which is why I question whether it was a false profession of faith. The boy CLAIMED to accept Christ at some bizarre altar call or Billy Graham crusade.
Gs Brother. Yes repentance does take place when a lost person becomes saved. He turned and repented from not believing, to believing. So yes I'm not stressing that repentance is not required to be saved but I'm stressing that people misuse repentance a lot. Such as telling new born again believes that in order to be saved and stay saved they have to repent of all their sins. And that was where I was pointing out that no where in the bible does it say anything about repenting of all of your sins then you'll be saved. I hope that made sense.
Jc wrote: John uk. Let me try my best to explain in as fewest words as possible my point and maybe you understand. In John mcauthors book called " the gospel according to jesus" he writes of a person who was saved at fifteen. But did not come in to submission into making Christ his lord until he was in his early or mid twenties. The suggesting that if he would have died before his early or mid twenties that he would have not made it into heaven. Now that is what this person was referring to as a big pile of garbage! If this person would have died the next day after being saved he woul have went straight into the presence of The Lord. That is not negotiable.
Jc, you must be misquoting Johnny Mac's words.
Did John say that the boy was SAVED at fifteen, or that he made a profession of faith at fifteen.
It makes a HUGE difference.
Personally, I would say that he made a false profession. Why? Because although he claimed Jesus as his Saviour, he was still happily living in rebellion against him (i.e. still a servant of Satan). And that cannot be.
Check out the 1689 confession on "Repentance and Salvation" which is found at [URL=http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm#part15]]]Part 15[/URL]