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WEDNESDAY, OCT 16, 2013  |  168 comments
Conservative Catholics question Pope Francis’s approach
Rattled by Pope Francis’s admonishment to Catholics not to be “obsessed” by doctrine, his stated reluctance to judge gay people and his apparent willingness to engage just about anyone — including atheists — many conservative Catholics are doing what only recently seemed unthinkable: They are openly questioning the pope.

The wary traditionalists became critical when, in an interview a few weeks ago, Francis said Catholics shouldn’t be “obsessed” with imposing doctrines, including on gay marriage and abortion. Then earlier this month, Francis told an atheist journalist that people should follow good and fight evil as they “conceive” of them. These remarks followed an interview with journalists this summer aboard the papal airplane in which the pope declared that it is not his role to judge someone who is gay “if they accept the Lord and have goodwill.” ...


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News Item2/5/18 5:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
"Since then, Smith has been making documentaries, speaking to every audience that would listen, getting laws changed, and launching a nonprofit aimed at educating children and parents about hazing’s dangers. She’s had help from the most unlikely of allies — one of the fraternity brothers convicted in her son’s death and the former president of the college where her son went."---Parents whose children died take collective aim at hazing
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News Item1/10/18 4:35 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ZBT fraternity shutters University of Michigan chapter after hazing allegations if they really, really, do this permanently - -

Oh, I see why they're trying to do the right thing! They are actually a Jewish fraternity not a Catholic / Protestant / whatever organization.

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News Item11/17/17 9:18 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Bloomberg did an interesting thing and put the misbehavior of frats into chart form. very few of these offending organizations were permanently removed from a University campus. Every Time a Fraternity or Sorority Got in Trouble This Year. Now 2015 was a busy year, but just a day or so ago Ohio State decide to do something serious, the story came out 8 minutes before I wrote this message❗ Ohio State University suspended 37 fraternities on campus — the most aggressive move yet in the rush for colleges to crack down on hazing.
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News Item11/17/17 3:50 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike, actually the pope belongs to a fraternity the fraternity of Catholic Bishops.
Daniel Callahan wrote:
...few mavericks will slip through the tight-meshed ecclesiastical net. It is almost inconceivable that a priest who made a public name for himself as a picketer, as an imaginative innovator, as an opponent of corrupt politics, as a known advocate of "controversial" church or public policies would pass muster. The bishops might well support such a priest in all these things; they just wouldn't recommend him to Rome to be one of them....They are, as a rule, drawn from deep within the administrative structure, many in fact having spent much of their priestly lives doing office rather than pastoral work. One needs little insight into the sociology of large institutions to guess the net result: those finally appointed as bishops are likely to be highly congenial to those already in office, domesticated to traditional priorities and routines, and out of touch with grass-roots opinion, especially lay opinion.
[QUOTE]--America’s Catholic Bishops

I would have little doubt that people pick for Bishops have much the same qualities around the world.👎

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News Item11/8/17 9:15 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
They should really get rid of them, but rich alumni won't let that happen.
Florida State becomes at least the third university this year to suspend Greek life because of alcohol-related tragedies
I didn't even realize Francis cared about frats.
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News Item11/7/17 3:27 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
They should really get rid of them, but rich alumni won't let that happen.
ABC News wrote:
"For this suspension to end, there will need to be a new normal for Greek life on campus. They must participate in that culture," Thrasher said.

Penn State suspended fraternities and sororities from holding social activities during the spring semester after the February hazing death of 19-year old Timothy Piazza. Louisiana State had a one-month suspension and continues to ban alcohol at Greek parties after the hazing death of 18-year old Maxwell Gruver in September.

-- Florida State becomes at least the third university this year to suspend Greek life because of alcohol-related tragedies
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News Item10/11/17 4:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ABC Radio News wrote:
Ten people are facing charges of hazing, the school said. One of those 10 individuals is also facing a charge of negligent homicide.

The LSU Police Department opened an investigation after Maxwell Gruver died on Sept. 14.

At the time of the incident, eight of the 10 people now charged were active members of Phi Delta Theta, LSU spokesman Ernie Ballard III said Wednesday. Eight are current students at LSU.

Pledges may have been forced to drink during what the fraternity called "Bible Study" the night before Gruver's death, according to search warrants reported by ABC affiliate WBRZ-TV in Baton Rouge.

"The meeting was actually an exchange in which members asked pledges questions about the organization and were ordered to drink alcohol if they answered incorrectly," investigators said in an affidavit, WBRZ-TV reported....

--LSU police to charge ten people in death of fraternity pledge 🍺
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News Item10/7/17 2:15 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
BM, where do you get 2012? It mentions it nowhere in the article? This wasa recent posting on ABC News Radio. Now the last Frat thing I did hear about frats was this article, LSU student death under investigation, described as 'potential hazing incident', the Penn State thing was posted around the country, but the one that I did put up was on KRVN, oh, and this is a late breaker as well, Former student sues fraternity after alleging hazing ritual left him with brain damage---"The son of a legendary Dallas Cowboys player is now suing a University of Oklahoma
fraternity, alleging that a hazing ritual left him with permanent brain
damage so severe he can no longer remember his Social Security number."

But looking further in the news, the Penn State story is on KRVN as a late
breaking story, q.v., Penn State frat suspended after allegedly intoxicated teen found unconscious.

If it isn't recent then a lot of ABC radio stations will be

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News Item10/7/17 12:20 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
News post from OCT 16, 2013
4 years ago, Jim
Jim, it seems not only you are out of topic, but out of date!
It is obvious you have an agenda at task while repeatedly insisting with your links on the same topic.
Who, or what are you seeking to discredit?
Followers of Christ are to positively correct, and exhort, or center on things of good report.
The slanderer and accuser of God's own, say the devil, focuses on the opposite.
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News Item10/6/17 3:34 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ABC News Radio wrote:
A Penn State fraternity is facing punishment after a student was hospitalized after allegedly drinking too much alcohol. This comes just months after another fraternity at the school, Beta Theta Pi, was banned following the death of a pledge.

On Sept. 28, an 18-year-old male student who allegedly became intoxicated at Delta Tau Delta was found unconscious off campus by police, Penn State said in a statement.

The student was hospitalized and is recovering, the school said.

Penn State said Delta Tau Delta fraternity functions are "suspended on an interim basis" pending an investigation into the teen's injuries.

--Penn State frat suspended after allegedly intoxicated teen found unconscious Take a look at my previous posting. Also see what I said about it to determine if you want to read it or not.
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News Item9/25/17 3:25 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Isaiah 28:7-8
....
For all tables are full of filthy vomit, with no space left.

2 Peter 2:22
What the true proverb says has happened to them: The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.---ESV
"
It's a good article in that you won't let a son or daughter have anything to do with a social fraternity after reading it. It's even worse than I could imagine!

The only thing that I didn't see is the mention of professors who cooperate with these social fraternities and give an unfair advantage to their members when it comes to grading. But from the article you would probably suspect that anyway.

Warning Warning Warning

I am not going to give you the URL for this article. You can look it up for yourself, if you so desire. The language at the beginning is over the top as is some of the descriptions of what happens with these fraternities

"Confessions of an Ivy League Frat Boy: Inside Dartmouth's Hazing Abuses" --Rolling Stone

An interesting article to wade through - - If you have the stomach for it. They are worse than dogs!

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News Item9/18/17 4:29 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ABC News Radio wrote:
"The Fraternity will also continue its internal investigation to completely understand the situation in order to hold all of those who violated its risk management policies accountable for their actions," the statement said.

The fraternity said it will also review its health and safety policies and educational programs and "is committed to enacting any new initiatives to help prevent similar situations in the future."

Bob Biggs, executive vice president and CEO of Phi Delta Theta, said in the statement, “We continue to keep the entire Gruver family in our thoughts and prayers during this very difficult time.”

"This incident serves as a stark reminder of why we need to continue to educate our undergraduates on the dangers of alcohol, hazing, and be constantly vigilant to ensure our risk management policies are fully implemented.”

--Phi Delta Theta fraternity shutters LSU chapter after pledge's death. "Closing the barn doors after the horses are out!"
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News Item9/9/17 4:09 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Rather
American Tract Dictionary 19859 wrote:
DRUNKENNESS:

Is referred to in the Bible both in single instances and as a habit. Its folly is often illustrated, Ps 107:27 Isa 19:14 24:20 28:7,8, its guilt denounced, Isa 5:22, its ill results traced, 1Sa 25:36 1Ki 16:9 20:16, and its doom shown, 1Co 6:9,10. It is produced by wine, Ge 9:21 21:33 Jer 23:9 Eph 5:18, as well as by "strong drink," 1Sa 1:13-15 Isa 5:11. Hence the use of these was forbidden to the priests at the altar, Le 10:9; and all are cautioned to avoid them, Pr 20:1 23:20. To tempt others to drunkenness is a sin accursed of God, 2Sa 11:13 Hab 2:15,16. Its prevalence in a community is inseparable from the habitual use of any inebriating liquor. Hence the efforts made by the wise and good to secure abstinence from all intoxicating drinks, 1Co 8:13

These young men had other substances in their blood beside alcohol also.
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News Item9/9/17 8:07 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | 155  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
2Ti3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10 a But thou hast fully known my doctrine,

--
1Ti4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry

Devil doctrine doctrine defines RCC

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News Item9/9/17 7:37 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Drunken fraternity members and a gun turned into a deadly combination. Usually just takes drunken fraternity members to cause problems. In any event, I suppose one shouldn't be surprised.
ABC News Radio wrote:
NAU police had arrived on the scene. In video footage from police body cameras obtained by ABC News' "20/20," an officer handcuffed Jones, who immediately identified himself as the shooter and appeared extremely distraught. An officer asked Jones over and over if there were any other active shooters in the area.

"No, nobody but me. I take all responsibility," Jones told the officer, and started repeatedly asking for his mother and pleaded for officers to help those he had shot.

"I’m so scared," Jones told the officer. "Can I call my mom?"

Toxicology tests performed after the shooting found that Brough had a blood alcohol content of .285 -- three and a half times the legal limit. He also tested positive for marijuana and Xanax. Tests showed that the other three shooting victims -- Piring, Prato and Zientek -- were also significantly intoxicated.

--Shooting outside of college party leaves 1 student dead, another facing murder charges, many questions about what happened
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News Item9/2/17 3:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, you mean like Billy and these two article covers Franky, his son's theology too.
Billy Graham--General Teachings/Activities and Billy Graham Believes Catholic Doctrine of Salvation Without Bible, Gospel, or Name of Christ)

Franklin would have made a "good" Frat member when he was young. I see from Wikipedia bio, "In 1971, he attended LeTourneau College in Longview, Texas, and was expelled from the school for keeping a female classmate out past curfew." q.v., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Graham.

He was lucky that many of educational institutions he attended it would have been hard for him to get into big trouble--no Frats for one thing. This can't be said for many Catholics. Abuse by Priests! with Abuse Tracker.

Actually, The Roman Catholic Bible can be quite accurate at least the New Testament is, for one thing they are in contemporary English. Except with some pitfalls most notably the commentaries that are in them and some other errors especially in the Old Testament.

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News Item9/1/17 8:08 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | Old news amuse  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
The election of Pope Francis, ‘a long-time friend of the Bible Societies’, is an encouragement to United Bible Societies (UBS) to work even harder to make the Bible available to everyone.

These are the sentiments expressed by UBS General Secretary Michael Perreau.

United Bible Societies welcomes Pope Francis
Vs Conservatives ?

MARCH 15, 2013 - The election of Pope Francis, ‘a long-time friend of the Bible Societies’, an encouragement to UBS
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http://www.unitedbiblesocieties.org/news/united-bible-societies-welcomes-pope-francis/

Francis the talking Pope participated in the dedication of the first Wichí Bible, published by the Bible Society in 2002 and, along with leaders of the Orthodox and Evangelical Churches, supported the Bible Society’s initiative to establish an annual National Bible Day on the fourth Sunday of September.

Funny that he loves the "Wichí" bible- witchy bibles are a big thing in a " queen of heaven " cult.

” says Mr Perreau. “We assure Pope Francis of our renewed availability to serve the Catholic Church in her endeavours to make the Word of God the centre of new evangelisation.”

http://www.1611kingjamesbible.com/catholic_jesuits.html/

if Bible commands one thing&the Pope another contrary?
Toss the Bible says Francis

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News Item9/1/17 5:32 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
ABC News Radio wrote:
Involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault charges have been dropped against eight former Penn State University fraternity members in connection with the death of a pledge at the fraternity house earlier this year, a Pennsylvania judge announced on Friday.

But Centre County District Judge Allen Sinclair said Friday the cases against those students and four others will head to trial for less serious alleged offenses: reckless endangerment, alcohol-related charges and hazing.

---Involuntary manslaughter charges dropped in Penn State fraternity hazing case These are anti-Christian organizations. Keep college students away from them!
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News Item8/3/17 8:58 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
David Horowitz wrote:
Two close associates of Pope Francis have accused American Catholic ultraconservatives of making an alliance of “hate” with evangelical Christians...

The authors, writing in a Vatican-vetted journal, singled out Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump’s chief strategist, as a “supporter of an apocalyptic geopolitics” that has stymied action against climate change and exploited fears of migrants and Muslims with calls for “walls and purifying deportations.”...

Since the 2013 election of Pope Francis, conservatives have worried that he has given short shrift to the social issues that have animated them, among them abortion and same-sex marriage. They have sat through his warnings to steer clear of politics. They have watched warily as Francis has installed pastors in his image while sidelining conservative leaders.

--- A Vatican Shot Across the Bow for Hard-Line U.S. Catholics or A Vatican Shot Across the Bow for Hard-Line U.S. Catholics .

No, I am not putting this up at the diatribe against Trump but I think it's fairly good diatribe against Pope Franny. this what's what this thread was originally about. I don't have any use for any Pope.

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News Item7/15/17 3:20 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Hannah Natanson and Derek G. Xiao wrote:
faculty committee has recommended that the College forbid students from joining all “fraternities, sororities, and similar organizations”—including co-ed groups—with the goal of phasing out the organizations entirely by May 2022.

In a 22-page report released Wednesday morning, the committee proposed that the policy—which would replace existing penalties for members of the social groups that are set to go into place in the fall—apply to students entering in the fall of 2018.

--Faculty Committee Recommends Social Groups Be 'Phased Out'

I didn't even know Harvard had such things Sounds like a good idea.

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