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Sir David Attenborough: Big families are irresponsible
Sir David Attenborough says couples should value their materialism and have small families to avoid overcrowding the planet.
He said Chinaâ€™s one-child policy has been beneficial, but he is unhappy about the way it is enforced.
The BBCâ€™s veteran natural history broadcaster was speaking ahead of a new TV series.
He said: â€śIf you were able to persuade people that it is irresponsible to have large families in this day and age, and if material wealth and material conditions are such that people value their materialistic life and donâ€™t suffer as a consequence, then thatâ€™s all to the good.â€ť...
If you are still capable to having children, then you must fulfill your evolutionary duty by making more copies of yourself expesially if you are smart, because then you will over populate the US with smart people and guarantee the survival of smart people while the dumb ones who don't know how to populate or don't want to will just die out.
Thanks Gale! I see these new mommies and smile and cringe at the same time - I well remember! But to be blessed with the vision of a future generation, abundant and strong in God... I am reminded that only THIS God can take sinners to make sinners to glorify Him. WHAT A GOD! Wow!
MG - YES! It is allowing GOD to control family size! I wanted three and no more. Haha! Unbeknownst to my husband and I we had a large family praying for us and as we had number three we were faced with a decision. I praise God because we would not have numbers four and five and the world would be a darker place if not for these little ones. It seems, like Gale said, the world has hoodwinked the purpose of children and perverted it so it's not about God but our comfort zones. You summed it up perfectly: "It's difficult, challenging and a blessing."
Let me assure you that having a large family (in reality, allowing GOD to control our family size!) was not on my agenda when I got married, or when we had two children. We totally, and utterly, believe that it's GOD that has lead us to the decision to leave birth control method. We can now see no other Biblical way. It's difficult, challenging and a blessing. Sometimes the world's thinking can get into your head for a while, but praise GOD for His goodness as He encourages and guides His people!
Another verse that my wife and I have been challenged with in the past - when we believe GOD was leading us to not limit or family size - is 1 Cor 6:19 "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's"
Anne wrote: Sorry... Part three... the Holy Spirit to guide you in all truth. (Titus 2).
I remember having only two and thinking, "Well, I don't have another arm so I must be done!" The world's view is all about our personal feelings and what we feel success is. Three kids later, I wish I had earlier turned a blind eye and deaf ear to the world and not listened to them. Our small family of five kids lives to honor God and take help to a hurting world.
Thanks Anne, your posts were a blessing and I pray Lisa will not be offended but take to heart what you said. I know how loud the world screams and how difficult it is to hear truth.
Lisa wrote: and the idea that you earn brownie points by having a quiver full is very much a catholic dogma adopted by certain evangelical cults
God states; Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward. 4 As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth 5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.
Since this is Biblical - It cannot be Roman Catholic.
4. Again, the world around us just stinks! It is fallen, crippled and filthy. Yet there reigns a God who actually has the government on His shoulders. He is bigger than our circumstances and higher than our thoughts and above the reproach of the world. His laws and His way are narrow and difficult to walk under these circumstances and yet we do. Attenborough views having children through this first lens; you agreed. I disagree, with all my heart and soul and find no biblical support for what he says. It isn't because I think we should just crank out babies; God cares about quality over quantity, too! You, like Attenborough, assume you cannot have both. I disagree, with all my heart and soul and find no biblical support for that idea.
As for the snarky final comment... Do not presume to know my family indeed. My children are more precious to my husband and I than the world and I pray I will spend eternity with them, as I am sure you do yours. They are daily exposed to the effects of sin - they have a fallen mum and dad who screw up frequently. But we get to witness God's forgiveness and grace extended through each other on a daily basis, too. And that's worth something grand! Lisa, I take no offense though and wish you only God's blessings and the Holy Spirit to
Part one... 1. I agree that family size has nothing to do in anyway whatsoever with our salvation.
2. Was it pride or offense? Your words "I agree personally that we should go for quality rather than quantity" after the article is about how irresponsible large families are (no exceptions given) will stir those of us who have large families because we HAVE quality and quantity but it is by God and through God's grace we do, not because of some altruistic fantasy about of salvation through works and childbearing and how we have achieved some higher standing from those who dare to have none or two! While I am sure there are those who do (Mormons come to mind), there are also those who wag their heads and fingers and cluck their tongues at us when we walk with our kids! Both are wrong because they are ungodly and prideful.
3. "I have to note that children from large families in general don't have a very wonderful time." Who is judging? My point was why do so many women approach childbearing fearing the fallen world around us versus what the bible says about children? What worldview, God's or mans, directs your thinking? You cited only your feelings and economic woes and the depravation of unsaved, sinful man; where's the hope of a future?
Lisa wrote: My point exactly - the problem with society has nothing to do with family size- that is a personal decision and the idea that you earn brownie points by having a quiver full is very much a catholic dogma adopted by certain evangelical cults. Can I say it again- the size of a family is a very personal decision. Women should not be pressured into having more kids than they can cope with.
If, as you say, the problem with society has nothing to do with family size, that it is a personal decision, why are you arguing against large families because of societal problems caused by them? It looks as though you are arguing against yourself.
No one would criticise a large family- I think you are putting words into my mouth. these are my points: 1. We are saved by grace- having a large family is irrelevant 2. I sense a real prideful attitude around having a large family when I raise the issue that it's irrelevant . That's sinful 3. We must not judge those that have small families or no families. Judging others is sinful. 3. Maybe having a big family is cultural- in my country often single parents are financially rewarded for having children they cannot cope with- at least 2 children a week in the uk die from child abuse. In my country there is huge social problems and with the financial crisis these families have been hardest hit. There is no glory to god being a witness to such poverty and deprivation.
I do not know you or your family- you took offense when none was intended- I aimed to highlight a social problem in my country associated with large families. You obviously have lots of money in your country and little poverty- or you are too busy with your own perfect family to see what is happening elsewhere ?
Lisa wrote: So let's look at gods word- but lets rightly divide the word. As a new testiment Christian what does god have to say about how many children a new testiment christian should have under grace.... Whilst I'm waiting for the response lets just flick over my favourite bible verse... Ephesians 2 vs 8 then love that verse 9 , not of works Lear any man should boast. Galatians 5 vs 1 stand therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....
Would that be the bondage of limiting the number of children per family to 2.1?
Lisa, why not give honor where its due instead of insult? I don't come from a large family but when I see a Godly family with many children I give honor to them. That is hard work in the modern world! Why would you intrude on such sacred ground?
Lisa, I am trying to neither rile you nor offend you. But, yes, let's rightly divide the word of God. If we take only the New Testiment, it's like fighting a battle with a short, stubby sword - and worse yet, is only half of God's word. Having children is NOT works, and from the verse you used, I wonder if you view children as a burden or "yoke of bondage"? God says they are a heritage, a blessing, a gift, a command (where he has blessed the union). May I ask what you do with the NT verse "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." (1 Timothy 2:15 KJV)
"Therefore, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for Godâ€™s glory." (1 Corinthians 10:31). It seems you have judged those of us with large families as irresponsible for producing more offspring then can be successfully raised together. It is a personal decision between a HUSBAND (you seem to forget this part), wife and God but when you interject what one can "cope with" you supplant God's wisdom with man's and rely on your strength and not His. I would urge you to look carefully at your statements and prayerfully consider whether you have wrongfully charged God with making a mistake when he gave women a season to bear childr
Kind of gone quiet re what the bible says a CHRISTIAN under grace must do ( regarding the size of ones family-????). Here is a relevant biblical passage; Acts 21 vs 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled and from fornication.
Galatians 3 are ye so foolish ? Having begun in the spirit, are ye made perfect by the flesh ?
So let's look at gods word- but lets rightly divide the word. As a new testiment Christian what does god have to say about how many children a new testiment christian should have under grace....
Whilst I'm waiting for the response lets just flick over my favourite bible verse...
Ephesians 2 vs 8 then love that verse 9 , not of works Lear any man should boast. Galatians 5 vs 1 stand therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....