A&Eâ€™s hit show â€śDuck Dynasty,â€ť a semi-reality comedy show following the antics of the Robertson family in Louisiana, has quickly become the biggest hit in reality TV history, according to the New York Timesâ€™ profile this week. The show has sparked a good bit of discussion among Christians not only because of its popularity and entertainment value, but also because the Robertsons are fairly vocal about their own faith.
I say â€śfairly,â€ť of course, because the extent to which the familyâ€™s Christianity is displayed on the show has been a matter of some controversy. Thomas Kidd calls the show a portrayal of â€ścultural Christianity,â€ť a Jesus-less, Southern, family-and-values life that is generic, unoffensive, and, Kidd charges, not specifically Christian in any meaningful way.
However, it seems thatâ€™s not how the Robertson family really think and live. The NYT piece quoted one of the showâ€™s producers...
Fact of the matter is that the show represents a very poor Christian witness. My list of observations includes a poor work ethic being displayed on every broadcast, teenage kids (as low as 13) dating, a real worldliness being displayed (tattoos, expensive trucks and houses, abundance of texting, etc)., the list goes on.
So their witness via the 30-minute a week show is poor, but that is Hollywood for you. I almost flinch when I hear them mention the name of Jesus during the show (sometimes at the end of the dinner prayer at the end of the show), but it is rarity out of Hollywood that is refreshing.
That all said, their witness outside of the show does confirm for me that they understand the Gospel and that they are working to add members to the Kingdom.
Hey! I just watched 20 minutes of a DD episode, & I never saw an example of any form of Christianity let alone faux Mormonism. The elders were preaching guns, hunting and the liberties preserved by killing in Vietnam to children at a local school. The men were gambling on their secluded golf course while their wives sipped champagne and gossiped at the beauty parlor
Now you tell me, after I spent most of the night in the ER. The doctors were asking who told me to take all of that garbage as they were pumping my stomach. JPW, Penelope, Penny...I think it's about time that you pick one...ha-ha. I didn't know that you were Penny now as well.
Christopher -- I'm not suggesting you take all that. you could have your levels tested by a doctor and learn about foods... naturopaths help a lot, if they are a good one... I was just trying to show what deficiencies can do!
Penny, thanks for the tips in iodine, magnesium, D3, etc. As many know, and have experienced, major depression causes you to lose any appetite so maybe supplementing would help. Now, if I can just drag myself to the store.. ha-ha.
there are things we can do to strengthen our bodies and minds. consider the fact that a few brazil nuts can give the body selenium (too much would not be good). consider that magnesium deficiency can cause depression. consider the mental and physical effects of gm grain and oil. why suddenly do our people struggle with thinking straight? so much that can be done to strengthen the mind and body, and that gives glory to God our Provider. look at what nervousness comes from b deficiencies and then compare the b vitamin intake from grass fed egg layers and animals versus the gm grain fed... there is a nutritional difference.
consider the fact that depleted iodine intake can have on the thyroid, moods, and work of the body, and how those who have corrected this see improvement in mind and body.....and that the vast majority of americans seem to have low levels...
or vitamin d3?
Hippocrates said let they food be thy medicine. if our food is no longer medicinal, can we expect to see effects on the mind?
Chris,it was even longer but SA cut some off..btw I hope and pray your depression gets better..no one understands that has not been through it. My Dr.explained to me that some people are born with lower sertiom in their brain and when under stress that is then depleted. I'm thankful that I can take meds to help with this problem.I believe it's partly genetic also. Anyway blessings to you on this beautiful fall day.
Thanks Dolores. Yeah, that's the best idea I could come up with rather than stressing over all of the negatives. Seems to me that there is something negative to say against pretty much any denomination and that's why I have come to dislike labels. I guess we just have to do what we can to seperate ourselves from any errors, and the incessant arguments, well, I guess we'll find out who was right on the way up...ha-ha. Unfortunately, I think there are oh so many who stick to whatever their particular denomination believes like glue instead of using the Bible as their final say. I will have no problem speaking out against Baptists if I know they are wrong on any particular issue, or whatever, and I think this is how all should be. Thanks for the long comment. Real Jim, yeah, you could have mentioned it sooner...secrets out.
Christopher, that was avery good comment you made about sticking with being a Baptist and all the rest was so what God wants from us. I have been Methodist as a child..Baptist as a teenager..got away from God for a few years in rebellion because of my troubled family life..married into a Pentacostal family, came back to God stayed there for a few years..learned so much about the Holy Spirit and so these years were not wasted..God moved me back into the Methodist church when we moved to another town..the church had lots of error in it so I went to the Christian Church because I knew some devote christians and they had a great youth program there..stayed there a few years then God's call back to Baptist which was closer to my home than the Christian Church..stayed there until we moved here..now I am still in the Baptist Church and very happy serving God in different areas. I saw good and things I didn't agree with..I have seen very devote christians in every church I've been in and very insincere people..I know Billy Graham is Baptist but his wife, Ruth, was a Presbertian. My husband is not a Christian,however, his brother is a Holiness pastor..very,very devoted to God.I guess that's why I don't Judge others so quickly. God didn't use a "cookie cutter" when He made us..we all have
Thank God for public libraries! my landline ISP at home is going to take their time to fix my Internet service which means I probably won't answer as many comments as I would've liked--slaving over a netbook keyboard! However, the only example that Abraham is given was his faith not his circumcision he was declared righteous by God long before he was circumcised! [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=24111215327]]]Israel & the Church Remain Distinct[/URL] and more to the point, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=923111220571]]]Confronting Compromise of the Gospel[/URL] and something with more written material, [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/luther/martin.htm]]]Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel[/URL]. We had the writer of this article as a guest pastor a week or so ago at IHCC.
So, Chris, you recognized the fact, that all Christians this side of heaven haven't reached perfection yet? I was trying to keep that that a secret
Thanks wayyy below, John. Well, I think I will stick with Baptist. The way I see it is that it seems all have errors to some degree and it's our responsibility, as individuals, to study to show ourselves approved, not only for a witness to the lost and searching, but also to give us the power to discern truth from error. Just because I might label myself as Baptist doesn't mean that I will ever denegrate anyone for not being one or hold steadfast to every doctrine, thought, teaching, etc.; claiming everyone else is wrong and that I (Baptists) hold the secrets; the keys to Heaven. I always think it's a shame that the born again Christian community has splintered into so many denominations sub groups; constantly fighting against one another; even hating and accusing. I also tend to believe that many who claim to be born again from above, evenÂ judging, condemning, and calling others "lost", couldn't be more wrong and are themselves in great danger; forever concentrating on others but never taking a step back to take a good, hard look at their own selves. FYI, these are just general comments. Nothing to do with the thread, any individuals, etc. Just thoughts I have from time to time...
Unprofitable Servant wrote: I can say with Amos that I am not a prophet or the son of a prophet, but did the nail on the head when I said the answer would come in from either a confession, catechism, or commentary, no quotes from the New Testament to show that baptism replaces circumcision, but understandable as they don't exist. But, am sure the next answer will be more of the same.
Well we saw that one coming, US. It's been like this for years and years. No wonder Observer gives them some stick.
didactic wrote: "Not only is circumcision a sign of the covenant, but it is a sign of faith. Romans 4:11 states that Abraham â€śreceived the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised.â€ť Paul describes circumcision as a sign of faith. This concept is quite consistent with the Old Testament understanding of circumcision. In the Old Testament, circumcision symbolized purification from defilement. Furthermore, the Old Testament routinely makes use of circumcision imagery to describe a change in the attitude of the heart towards serving and worshiping the living God." (S.J.Simmons)
I can say with Amos that I am not a prophet or the son of a prophet, but did the nail on the head when I said the answer would come in from either a confession, catechism, or commentary, no quotes from the New Testament to show that baptism replaces circumcision, but understandable as they don't exist. But, am sure the next answer will be more of the same.
Actually Gal 6:15 states, "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature."
So circumcision or not - is not important.
What is important is being born again.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Eph 1:4 According as *HE HATH CHOSEN* us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having *PREDESTINATED US* unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will"
Faith is the gift of God.... Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast" = Human effort ie "works" is totally passive in coming to Christ, because of sin.
John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but OF GOD.
John UK wrote: what do you understand by Abraham's "seed"?
The answer to that question is in the same post.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: 1. circumcision changed into sprinkling 2. Scriptural baptism (immersion) of believers only
1. Eh? 2. Eh?
Jim Lincoln wrote: Circumcision ... -- has nothing to do with baptism.
Oh Jim. If only you Baptists could read the Bible. I'm worried about whether you really do have the Holy Spirit's guidance???
"Not only is circumcision a sign of the covenant, but it is a sign of faith. Romans 4:11 states that Abraham â€śreceived the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised.â€ť Paul describes circumcision as a sign of faith. This concept is quite consistent with the Old Testament understanding of circumcision. In the Old Testament, circumcision symbolized purification from defilement. Furthermore, the Old Testament routinely makes use of circumcision imagery to describe a change in the attitude of the heart towards serving and worshipping the living God." (S.J.Simmons)