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Man Plots to Kill Local Pastor, Finds Jesus Instead
To justify his murderous scheme, Jayesh was determined to catch Pastor Nabhith doing ‚Äúevil things,‚ÄĚ so he began to watch Nabhith very closely. Wherever the pastor went, Jayesh was close behind.
Instead of finding evidence against Nabhith, however, Jayesh found there was nothing forceful in the way the pastor shared his message with men and women. He saw Pastor Nabhith visiting the sick and desperate villagers out of a genuine love and concern for them rather than with a secret motive to gain power for himself or make the villagers convert to his faith.
Was it possible Jayesh had misjudged this servant of God?
When Pastor Nabhith was at his church one Friday night to pray with other believers, Jayesh sat outside the building listening to the way the group spoke to one another and to the Lord. He heard prayers full of compassion for sick people and genuine concern for the villagers‚Äô various...
I don't know much, but as an outside observer, I'm a bit surprised after reading through this thread. The topic of contention seems a little strange to me...if it's not written in the Psalms, don't sing it or you are basically sinning, I guess? I've read everything fresh and I see a lot of opinions, but nothing that Infers or forbids composing melodies that are not limited to verbatim passages from the Psalms. This all seems strange, and a strange thing to argue about; even inferring that hymn singers are unchrist-like? Hmmm. To me, I would think that anything I might sing to God that praises Him, thanks Him, tends to worship Him, etc, would be honoring Him and He would look down and be happy that the "hymn singer" loves Him and is thinking about Him, no? Now I know that there is a lot of garbage out there, for sure, but to forbid, accuse, and condemn those who sing anything other than the Psalms? What about prayer...should I only recite verbatim prayers transcribed throughout the Bible? What if I choose to put my prayer to melody; singing it instead? Would God would look away in anger and disgust? While in church, singing a song that, say, thanks Jesus for what He has done for us, etc, will Christ look down upon us and cringe because the filthy, unChrist-like "hymn
Thank God we all need to learn, so let me see if I can be a help here. There are things that are obvious from your post. You don't understand verbal plenary inspiration, you apparently think it was mechanical dictation. You don't comprehend the verse you sighted because that tells us we need to use Biblical principles in our walk with God. For instance, the Bible says in Psalm 150 let everything that has breath praise the Lord. It suggested several musical instruments that can be used and even some themes to guide our praise. Now, I am not restricted ANYWHERE in the psalm to using specific Scriptures. So, as I walk with God and He gives me grace, I have opportunity to praise and thank Him for His mighty acts. I might user a song of praise written by Watts, Bliss, Crosby, or even Luther to express my gratitude. Does God say He doesn't accept that praise?? Only in the minds of those who know not how to rightly divide the Word of truth would we find a response that says no He does not. For you to say the Bible does not matter to hymn singers does remind me of Luke 18, where the Pharisee prayed within himself and thanked God that he was not like others. If you were really concerned that we were in error (we are not btw) you would be more gracious and uplifting. God bless
Unprofitable Servant wrote: 3. The Psalms were written by sinners (see Psalm 51) inspiration applies 6. YOU HAVE NO PROOF that all the songs used by Jewish people in their worship of God came from the psalms
3. Obviously you don't believe in God's involvement with the writing of Scripture. Inspiration will have no place in your religious vocabulary?
6. You have no proof or authority from anywhere that God requires man to replace Psalms with mans uninspired compositions. But you have the Bible which is God's Holy Word (God wrote the Word) to be used by God's people to worship praise and serve God and Christ. Jesus commands you not to change one jot or tittle! - NOR are you to add/take away from the Book (Rev/Deut)!
2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: == Not true!!! According to the hymn singers!!!
2Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. == Hymn singers view? == Man can do much better than this, no problem!
The Bible apparently means very little to you Hymn singers when entertainment sounds/feels better.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Past time to go to bed, so just a quick observation: source: http://www.sbts.edu/documents/icw/messiah.pdf There is 1 verse from Lamentations and John, 2 from Haggai, Zechariah and Hebrews, 3 from Malachi, Matthew and Romans; 5 from Luke, 6 from Revelation, 10 from I Corinthians, 14 from Psalms, and 22 from Isaiah. Every word of it is from the Scripture. Yet Psalms Only will tell you that Handel's Messiah does not bring glory to God. Even though it is clearly a fulfillment of Psalm 47:6. There are dozens of musical instruments mentioned in Scripture. Yet none of this are any longer useful to praise the Lord with music. Really??
Good observations, US.
Anne wrote: I watched my four year old sing "Jesus Loves Me" while she danced in the sun on the deck.
It is a lovely scene, Anne. Thanks for your posts.
Anne wrote: I watched my four year old sing "Jesus Loves Me" while she danced in the sun on the deck. She was laughing, not a baby laugh, but a dripping-with-honey laugh. I asked why she was so happy and she said, "Because God loves me, even if I spilled the dogs food! And He makes the sun shine ever day, too, Mom!" No Psalm, directly; and dancing. I've been praising God since for His gracious, kind love shown through His child. That we could all be focused on Him, and less on us.
Thank you for sharing, Anne. I believe your daughter's genuine unscripted praise of God is well pleasing to Him and it touched my heart.
There is 1 verse from Lamentations and John, 2 from Haggai, Zechariah and Hebrews, 3 from Malachi, Matthew and Romans; 5 from Luke, 6 from Revelation, 10 from I Corinthians, 14 from Psalms, and 22 from Isaiah. Every word of it is from the Scripture. Yet Psalms Only will tell you that Handel's Messiah does not bring glory to God. Even though it is clearly a fulfillment of Psalm 47:6. There are dozens of musical instruments mentioned in Scripture. Yet none of this are any longer useful to praise the Lord with music. Really??
Many of our friends are Four Square members and believe they are worshipping God in their actions. They were horrified when we joined a reformed orthodox Presby church! I feel for them as THEY are the ones following a wolf in sheeps clothing (just like I did). I thank God that it is HIS power that reaches to us; the HOLY SPIRITwho leads us into truth; and CHRIST who's perfection is seen over my filth. The work of the Holy Spirit will be moving us from infants to maturity, gaining ground on the narrow road by studying His Words. It's like marriage! You get married and when you hang up your toothbrush by that persons, then you start to really learn who they are! You change, grow, break and grow some more! But you always WANT to know more and dig deeper and come to love Him more when the Spirit of God moves in to take you. It's wonder beyond mystery and love beyond comprehension. Why me?! Your words echo so many of us as I would guess many have walked a similar road, too! Continue to be broken and grow!
Thanks Anne, John, and Frank. This is an eye opener. I used to think God would speak directly through me, Anne, and at will at that. I also believed that every other church was dead, everything involved a specific demon; whether it be nail biting, a nervous tick, whatever. You know, like if someone was naturally clumsy and kept tripping, they might have a demon of accidents (or whatever) trying to hurt them because they are a prayer warrior, etc. Anyway, yes, it's a hard thing to break free because the Charismatics have so many "supernatural" things going on so God must be with them; doing great, wonderous, visible works. I think it's difficult to leave because although non Biblical, I guess, they offer, distribute, and exercise all of the spiritual gifts...at will. This is really sad because like I said, I know many and they seem so incredibly sincere.
After leaving the SDA church, we attended a Foursquare Gospel church. God used that time for His purpose, all the while never letting us feel comfortable on all fronts. Mine Sunday the Pastor informed us he couldn't preach the sermon he had prepared because he felt God wanted to talk with us. The next 30 minutes scared us to death - women and men took turns standing up and "Speaking words to the congregation from the Holy Spriit." It was our last day there. God spoke clearly, but not the way the congregation was expecting.
We will be praying for you Chrisopher! The fact that you're even thinking the thoughts you are should let you know the Holy Spirit isn't letting you rest! John UK is so very right!
Christopher000 wrote: Yeah, I guess you're right, John. I guess I never really pondered the weightiness of why He opened my eyes to relocate me. I guess, like Frank inferred to a degree, if the issues were trivial, I'd still be Charismatic.
Quite so, Christopher. I spent six uneasy years in different charismatic churches, never really knowing what it was that I thought was wrong. But the Lord made it very clear to me that I should depart and never go back to it.
Sure, I later began to see how big the errors were, and how enslaving the movement is. Those within the charis movement will find it difficult to break free, except the Lord does it.
But once away from it, it is much easier to see the subtle errors and highly damaging doctrines and practices.
Psalms Only wrote: To use something else viz hymn books you have to literally 'remove' the Scripture, the inspired Word of praise which God ordained. Hymns produced by sinners however pretty the lyrics or melody, are still the uninspired works of sinners 'replacing' God's inspired Bible praise Book. What authority does the hymn user have for doing this?
1. Obviously my comments were tongue in cheek. 2.There are 65 other books in the Holy Bible that have verses that qualify as singing the inspired Word of God. 3. The Psalms were written by sinners (see Psalm 51) inspiration applies to the Word of God not to the writers of the words. 4. The writers were not scribes writing down what was dictated to them by the Spirit of God, they wrote of the experience they went through in their walk with God. (Psalm 73) 5. Thus we HAVE A BIBLICAL PATTERN for songs that honor God, people writing hymns that honor God, show His workings in their everyday lives and their response to the work of God in their lives. 6. YOU HAVE NO PROOF that all the songs used by Jewish people in their worship of God came from the psalms, in fact you have all the patriarchs who knew nothing of the psalms. Where did Job get songs in the night? 7. Ever read Psalm 150?(instruments)
Yeah, I guess you're right, John. I guess I never really pondered the weightiness of why He opened my eyes to relocate me. I guess, like Frank inferred to a degree, if the issues were trivial, I'd still be Charismatic.
Christopher000 wrote: The other thing that bothers me is how many will cry, Lord, Lord...believing that they had done everything right. This bothers me because I always wonder what I have wrong, if I'm doing/did something that will blow it, etc. These make me nervous quite often.
The only thing you can do to "blow it" is to look to yourself for your salvation. But if you are looking to Christ alone, you know for sure he cannot "blow it", so your salvation is secure if it is rooted in the finished and complete and perfect work of Jesus Christ.
Think about it. You are a sinner just like me. But our sins are forgiven by Jesus Christ. We have no righteousness, but Jesus Christ has credited us with his righteousness. Therefore, our sins are washed away, and God sees us as perfect in his sight.
All by simple faith in Christ?
Not really, it is by grace we are saved THROUGH faith.
God's grace brings salvation to us, and he communicates that salvation through the tunnel called "faith". He even provides the tunnel.
And salvation is not a second chance, to see how we get on. It is the creation of a new man, with new principles, new thoughts, new destination, new master, new heart, new everything. It is forever, eternal.
We can all agree God's written word trumps anything! But can you not see that God continues to work to is day and His word is as living and active now as then, each day's blessings giving us a "new song" to sing? As our lives near Christ's return, do we cut off the nose to spite the face
Psalms Only, worshipping God in song is a small part of what God considers worship. Being in His Word, rejoicing in His truths and being made more like Christ by His power are larger parts of the whole. What do you do with Psalm 150? Psalm 33:3? Why did Paul quote early hymns in Philippians 2 and Colossians 1? While I wholeheartedly agree that singing Psalms is first choice, I don't believe we have any right to tie the Hands that free as long as the words are theologically true (i.e. Scriptural) and the music is not the main piece but rather a God-given talent being used to glorify a Holy, fearsome God. A pastor from a Psalm-only-on-Sunday church from Scotland once said, "Singing Psalms exclusively would be like speaking Song of Solomon exclusively to your spouse at night. God has given us wisdom, joy and life in Him and we have a freedom within Him alone to exercise that."
"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." (Romans 8:26, 27 KJV).