In an effort to lure the shrinking flock of young Roman Catholics to a more wired religious world, a Vatican court has ruled that following Pope Francis online and on Twitter can earn believers time off from their sentence to purgatory for confessed and forgiven sins.
The granting of âindulgencesâ to those who use the Internet to take part in faraway religious gatherings was floated by the pope in a June 3 meeting with members of the Sacred Apostolic Penitentiary, one of three tribunals of the Roman Curia that administers church business.
Three weeks later, the tribunal confirmed in a decree that âthe faithful who are legitimately impeded [from attending events in person] can obtain the plenary indulgence if ... they follow the same rites and pious exercises ... by the new means of social communication.â...
Ah, Chris, an excellent response to John Y., but yet he rejects that he is doing the two types of sins, omission and commission. He is refusing to attend a Christian church, Too bad, this section,"What Does Our Lack of Commitment Say About Our Attitude?", of Why Should I Become an Active Member of a Church?, but then John Y., you should really read the who article, and not that just one section, even though it does seem to fit your behavior.
UPS, I liked your well thought out comment, and #3 cracked me up.
John Y, I liked your lengthy response in that it helps everyone to get to know your lines of thought better. You usually stick to a few lines so it's good to see something different from time to time to give everyone a deeper look into what makes you tick. I have to still say though that you have rationalized everything to the point of blindness. I don't mean that as a dig at all, but you have done this all in the name of personal comfort. If you weren't so ultra shy; afraid of speaking, meeting, and interacting with people, I think you might just see things much different.
Unprofitable Servant, I do so tell Catholics and others on discussion forums that they only way to become saved is by embracing Jesus as ones Savior. I don't believe that being Catholic is synonymous with being a Born Again Christian. I believe there are some Catholics who are Born Again by reason of having embraced Jesus as their Savior. Why would it be deception to not make my priest cognizant of the fact that I don't subscribe to all Catholic doctrine especially when it is none of his business what my beliefs are? I consider myself a devout Catholic irrespective if I don't subscribe to all Catholic doctrine. And why would the priest or any other Catholic assume that all Catholics subscribe to all Catholic doctrine? I don't assume all Catholics subscribe to all Catholic doctrine. Protestant ministers don't assume that their entire congregation subscribes to all doctrines of their church. If I only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass then I am not communing light with darkness. I do good works by helping out the poor. I don't deny the Lord Jesus in anyway. Just because I don't attend an Evangelical Protestant Church does not mean I deny the Lord Jesus. If I only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass then I worship Jesus in truth.
If I may repost an answer to one of Mike's question from a previous thread, What is john Y's faith?....
To attempt to answer Mike from NY question about what is John Y's faith.
1. It is a dumb (as in silent) by own admission does not share it. 2. It is deluded (it believes Catholics and Christians are synonymous) 3. It is deceptive (the priest at his church thinks he is a devout Catholic with no issues with doctrine--for all we know John could be SteveR) 4. It is dull (to the work of the Spirit, it has no problem of communing light with darkness) 5. It is devoid (of works that show forth faith, I believe there are verses in James that address that) 6. It is deceived (he thinks that he can deny the Lord and yet the Lord will not deny him) 7. It is detrimental (it is hindering him from true repentance and faith) 8. It is damning (the words depart from me I never knew you are still sobering words, and we all need to heed the admonition to examine ourselves whether we be in the faith)
wrote: John, if you don't believe in those things, you are both anathamatized by the RCC and, by definition, a protestant.
The Catholic Church is not cognizant that I don't subscribe to all Catholic doctrines because I don't discuss anything with my priest as my beliefs are none of his business. And thus I am not anathematized by the Catholic Church. If I don't attend and belong to any Protestant Church then I am not a Protestant.
Christopher000 wrote: John Yurich Wrote: "The Bible readings, prayers to Jesus, the Lord's Prayer, the words of Jesus from the Last Supper and the Apostles Creed are the scriptural parts to the Mass." I agree but everything is so intertwined and I don't know how all of the other additions and subtractions can be ignored...
Well I ignore the unscriptural parts to the Mass by not paying attention when an unscriptural part comes up.
Christopher000 wrote: There is just so much that you, yourself consider heresy, John. Short of the bible readings, what is there really that is not heretical? Most of their doctrines, rituals, dogmas, and views of Mary and the Saints are clearly anti-biblical and easily proven to be so. I just wouldn't be comfortable, as a born again Christian, attending a church which deviates oh so far from the Word of God. They have clearly added to and taken away from God's word which will not bode well for them.
The Bible readings, prayers to Jesus, the Lord's Prayer, the words of Jesus from the Last Supper and the Apostles Creed are the scriptural parts to the Mass.
John, if you don't believe in those things, you are both anathamatized by the RCC and, by definition, a protestant. Adding processes, theological loopholes, and additional requirements, to the Bible creates another religon, even Islamists agree that the bible is correct in some ways, but add to it with their tradtion and extrabiblical revalation.
There is just so much that you, yourself consider heresy, John. Short of the bible readings, what is there really that is not heretical? Most of their doctrines, rituals, dogmas, and views of Mary and the Saints are clearly anti-biblical and easily proven to be so. I just wouldn't be comfortable, as a born again Christian, attending a church which deviates oh so far from the Word of God. They have clearly added to and taken away from God's word which will not bode well for them.
Christopher000 wrote: I'd like to hear from the boards Roman Catholics, along with its usual defenders. This alone would cause me to leave the Roman church, let alone the many other heresies, but just like all the others, it will be rationalized; considered to be no big deal. Either that, or it will be agreed upon as being heretical, but brought to the attention of all, that all churches, denominations, or whatever, have errors so yet another blind eye will be turned. Down with the Popes. ..down with the OBamas! ( and not because they are black, either) : /
I don't believe in plenary indulgences or in Purgatory. I don't wish to leave the Catholic Church because I don't wish to be a Protestant.