Banning Homeschools Teaches Tolerance of Diverse Views, Justice Dept. Argues
Advancing the goal of tolerance in society may require denying parents the right to determine their children's education, the U.S. Justice Department argued in a legal brief for the case of a German homeschooling family seeking asylum.
The Romeikes fled to the United States from Germany when they were faced with heavy fines and the possibility of having their children taken away from them for choosing to homeschool rather than send their children to the German public schools. They chose to homeschool because they believed the public schools were teaching their children lessons antithetical to their evangelical Christian beliefs.
Though they were initially granted asylum by a district judge, an immigration court and the Justice Department has sought to send them back to Germany. In May, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the Justice Department. The Justice Department's June 26 brief...
Yes, those British, French, Chinese, and Russians! They got to stop spying on US! (Even if we do, do it to them.) Yeah, that Baby Face Bush and his "Patriot Act," [URL=http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/07/a-patriot-act-history-lesson-how-prescient-warnings-were-mocked/277612/]]]A Patriot Act History Lesson: How Warnings Were Mocked in the Senate[/URL] Yes, it took a liberal to point out how it was going to be exploited.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Because in effect the President is the King of this country, a point that Pres. Nixon tried to underline, though he even had to back off some because he like the other Presidents are elected kings. The American Pres., fulfills the functions and has more power than any European monarchy. This is why ...rendering to Caesar... ---
Nixon sure did back off, right out of the White House. For secretly approving spying on the Democrat Party. Interesting isn't it Jim, how times have changed, and spying on all the people is ok? But then it depends on who's doing the spying, right?
Because in effect the President is the King of this country, a point that Pres. Nixon tried to underline, though he even had to back off some because he like the other Presidents are elected kings. The American Pres., fulfills the functions and has more power than any European monarchy. This is why [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/CAESAR.HTM]]]Rendering To Caesar---A Biblical Perspective On Government[/URL] most assuredly applies to American Presidents.
Notice I didn't say anything (well sometimes I nibbled around the edges) with Mr. Bigot Carter, Bad Billy Clinton, (oh and Ouija board Regan) and Baby Face Bush when they were in office? It's really Congress to remedy is a Pres., has malfeasance in Office--something they wouldn't even try to do when the Pres., and the majority of Congress were of the same party.
Oh, where I got the article from my previous post from, [URL=http://www.educationnews.org/parenting/number-of-homeschoolers-growing-nationwide/]]]Homeschooling Ranks Growing Nationwide[/URL]
Jim Lincoln wrote: The analogy shouldn't be way over your head UPS, and perhaps I was taking JoeBob's irritation with the government as a rejection of rendering-to-caesar what is Biblically owed to our government leaders.
You're confusing Caesar with government again Jim.
The analogy shouldn't be way over your head UPS, and perhaps I was taking JoeBob's irritation with the government as a rejection of [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/resources/booklets/rendering-to-caesar]]]Rendering To Caesar...[/URL] what is Biblically owed to our government leaders. If I have misinterpreted his remarks I apologize.
Unfortunately in my home state instead of the nonsense of [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_%28organization%29]]]Posse Comitatus (organization)[/URL] dying out I think Iowa bussed all of its mental rejects to Nebraska one night and we seem to have more of these types than we had before! Perhaps, our public education system is falling apart?
No, the Civil War should have pointed out there is a certain secular civil order to be maintained even if George Washington didn't make the point clear during the Whiskey Rebellion or when President Andy Jackson smacked down South Carolina in the 1830's. It took one of the nastiest wars in history to make the point that even democracies don't work with rampant anarchy.
The analogy went WAY over my head, Jim. We fought a civil war over public schools? There did not used to be such a thing, now our property taxes are taken, whether we have children in the system or not, and made to pay for what for the most part is a failing system. If a business kept putting out an inferior product (we say that because SAT scores keep going down, in fact they even changed how they were scored to try and help that out)even colleges say that freshman come in unqualified for the education for which they are signed up. If the business, despite getting more and more money, continued with the same dismal results, they would (unless of course we bailed them out) be OUT of business. But instead of a plan to improve our schools we mandate that the product, regardless of its lack of quality, must be bought. Attendees, or in our model, customers, are required by law to use the product. Then when the system fails, we decide to give it more money????? Public school is not and has not been a good idea. It shows once and again that if you want to ruin something, for the most part, let the government run it. Rufus deserves a
JoeBob, it's not only on someone else's dime, but I would think someone else's time! I have nothing against homeschooling many members of my church home school, and I'll again point out [URL=http://netnebraska.org/media/media.php?vidgroup=00024194&bin=NET]]]NET: Home School Nebraska[/URL]. It takes time and dedication to do it right, but kids will come out better educated home-schooled than public schooled, if done with care.
I'm just pointing out if you look at the reference in my earlier message about letting in people who are hostile to our way of life. If they become too great of number, then the government will try many things to paper over the [URL=http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/thomas/incompatible.html]]]The Incompatibility of Islam with Western Civilization[/URL]. Our freedoms will be curtailed because of it, q.v., [URL=http://answering-islam.org/authors/dipuccio/extremism.html]]]Islam and Extremism: What is Underneath[/URL].
I was making the point that Americans don't like being told what to do and like to feel as if it's their choice. i.e. on the surface they feel it's their choice to send their children to public school but truth is they send them because it's on someone else's dime!
No, Rufus, we fought a Civil War over such issues, even if we were a Christian country, and we were suppose to be at the time of that ware, there would be disagreements.
By the way, I have supported the idea that this German family ought to be able to stay here. Too many Europeans in general and some Americans in particular think we are a village. q.v., [URL=http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0103/prager123102.asp]]]If you believe that people are basically good . . [/URL] then the governments that espouse those "ideals," have to do something with the [URL=http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm]]]Muhammad[/URL]ans in their countries, Germany and France have millions of them. They have to do something to domesticate them, make them fit to live in a civilized way, which really isn't going to happen -- [URL=http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=319046]]]Think about it: Reflections on the situation in Egypt [or any Islamic democracy, non of which has a Bill of Rights to protect individual freedoms] [/URL], means they govts have to make example of people -- though I bet Germany doesn't make examples of unco-operative Muslims!
Oh, by the way, anyone with kids not using the "V" chip in their t.v.s perhaps are not smart enough to home school?
JoeBob wrote: Americans are fiercely independent ....the majority choose Public Schools but are fine with that because they feel its their choice...
The fact public schools exist run contrary to American independence. We are not free if we are required to pay for the education of other people's children, in belief systems which run contrary to our own, with the forfeiture of our property should we choose not to pay for this system.
Americans are fiercely independent ....the majority choose Public Schools but are fine with that because they feel its their choice...but once Homeschooling is gone they will begin the attack on private schooling. In other words, as a American I support others choice-just not on my dime!
Real tolerance of diversity means limiting the power of government to usurp the God-given authority that parents have over their own children to educate them. The only reason government would want to usurp that authority, by requiring that growing children spend seven to eight hours of every day in a government school is because of its fear of diversity. It wants to indoctrinate all future citizens by instilling in them the same mindset, the same state-approved set of values, the same way of thinking in all children, to more easily control them. That isn't respect for diversity, its cookie-cutter control over the next generation-- in other words, tyranny.
1517 wrote: This German family and all families should teach their children the truth regardless...
I would have to respectfully disagree, sorry Jim, with your comment 1517. We read the same article, where did you see the parents even remotely stating that they felt their hands were tied if they had to send their kid to be indoctrinated in the German public school system? Cease my son to hear the instruction that causes you to err from the truth. We believe it is the parents responsibility to rear their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord, this couple believes that includes taking them out of the godless public school system that teaches the antithesis of their values. In your line of thinking, then there would be nothing wrong with sitting the kids in front of the tv as a babysitter and letting them watch whatever they want.
By the way 1517 parents still have more influence than anyone else on how their children think.
Of course there was another thread here about atheists homeschooling their children, they have a long tradition about that. Germany probably has a greater worry about the Turkish and other [URL=http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm]]]Muhammad[/URL]an immigrants. All you have to do is look on the Internet and see that [URL=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/us/26muslim.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0]]]Many Muslims Turn to Home Schooling[/URL]. I don't why they worry though, the Boston bombing brothers had a lot of exposure to the American life style and then proceeding to physically attack it.
Mike of NY, apparently freedom of religion when it suits the Mexican government purposes is given support. The German family mistakenly picked the wrong country to flee to?
"Though they were initially granted asylum by a district judge, an immigration court and the Justice Department has sought to send them back to Germany. In May, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with the Justice Department. The Justice Department's June 26 brief ..."
It's understandable. These independent-minded Germans aren't likely to vote Democrat. Perhaps they should try moving to Mexico, then sneak across the border. Obama's Justice Dept would be much more sympathetic. The politicians would even find a "pathway to citizenship" for them. The poor Germans just aren't illegal enough.
btw, anyone notice the stupidity of the contradictory headline?