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SUNDAY, APR 7, 2013  |  66 comments
Over 100,000 Gather in Salt Lake City for Semiannual Mormon Conference
For the first time in the event’s 183-year history, a woman led a prayer Saturday at the semiannual gathering of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Jean A. Stevens led the morning session’s closing prayer for the more than 100,000 Mormons gathered in Salt Lake City for the two-day general conference, and the millions more watching via satellite, radio or Internet broadcast.

“We are grateful for the restoration of the gospel, and with it the blessings of priesthood power, temple covenants, scriptures, and living apostles and prophets,” Stevens prayed. “… We are so very grateful for the inspiring words and messages we’ve received, and the beautiful music that has all contributed to what we have felt this day.” ...


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News Item4/9/13 12:18 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
SteveR wrote:
Example: We shouldnt tell JY that the Euchrist is evil or unBiblical with this prooftext
Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Why not? It is obvious that Jesus was referring to the bread as symbolic.
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News Item4/9/13 12:13 PM
Watchman  Find all comments by Watchman
Observer wrote:
Hey Watchman
Your observation is spot on.
Thank you brother for your post.

I have been following your other posts too on the Covenants and they have been a blessing to me. Thank you!

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News Item4/9/13 11:42 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Mike wrote:
Much ado about nothing, Steve, the biblical view being what the Bible says. If we are stones, we are in good company with Jesus who was called by that name:
Matt 21:42 The stone which the builders rejected,...
Luke 20:18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken;...
1 Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling,..
Yet we are pillars as well:
Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
I agree Mike, and Im not advocating we all join Apostolic Churches. I am saying that we need to be careful what references we use.

Example: We shouldnt tell JY that the Euchrist is evil or unBiblical with this prooftext

Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

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News Item4/9/13 11:40 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
SteveR wrote:
1) In the 'is' was' issue your choice of verb IN THAT PARTICULAR case was very telling.
Yeah, because it exposed his ignorance of the Scriptures and his false zeal.

Notice how he could not bring himself to answer that verse from Revelation where the Holy Spirit himself speaks of Christ as "was".

This man's a fool and proud to display it for all to see.

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News Item4/9/13 11:39 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
SteveR wrote:
You are just walking right into arent you? Thank you
Thats the RCC view too of what Paul is saying to Timothy. They differ with a more exclusive but more Biblical view of PILLAR. Most Christians are lively stones not pillars, in the Spiritual Temple.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Much ado about nothing, Steve, the biblical view being what the Bible says. If we are stones, we are in good company with Jesus who was called by that name:

Matt 21:42 The stone which the builders rejected,...

Luke 20:18 Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken;...

1 Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling,..

Yet we are pillars as well:

Revelation 3:12

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

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News Item4/9/13 11:35 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Lurker wrote:
Ha!
What, pray tell, were pillars made of 2,000 years ago? Monolithic precast concrete?
While I appreciate the unintended comedy, I suggest looking up the near endless analysis over the centuries of this piece of Sacred Scripture. Its quite eye opening to see the various views.

edit: (In case this went over anybodys head)

The unintended comedy was that Lurker is a Pillar of Salt

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

Genesis 19:25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

Genesis 19:26 But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.

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News Item4/9/13 11:27 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
SteveR wrote:
You are just walking right into arent you? Thank you
Thats the RCC view too of what Paul is saying to Timothy. They differ with a more exclusive but more Biblical view of PILLAR. Most Christians are lively stones not pillars, in the Spiritual Temple.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Ha!

What, pray tell, were pillars made of 2,000 years ago? Monolithic precast concrete?

Watchman wrote:
When one feels strongly for the truth as it is in Christ, any attack on that truth is an attack on Christ. It is difficult not to feel the pain or to turn the other cheek. Especially considering that this man is actively promoting the RCC cause and calling the RCC Whore the Bride of Christ!
I understand and quite agree, bro. I also take personal all attacks on the truth and I suppose that's because Christ is in me and He is Truth.

Blessings to you. I'm off for the day.

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News Item4/9/13 11:27 AM
Watchman  Find all comments by Watchman
Lurker wrote:
Don't let Steve's feeble attempts to humiliate his opponents rile you up.
The texts he quoted actually prove that all believers are pillars in the house of God, which house we are, and defeats the very point he tried to make.
Good morning brother, and thank you for your post and the point you made.

Hopefully, most people on this forum will have Steve figured out by now. He is a good for nothing who takes every opportunity to show his unregenerate nature and display his ignorance.

When one feels strongly for the truth as it is in Christ, any attack on that truth is an attack on Christ. It is difficult not to feel the pain or to turn the other cheek. Especially considering that this man is actively promoting the RCC cause and calling the RCC Whore the Bride of Christ!

As though this false church has not done enough damage we now have to endure people who nominally attach themselves to Protestantism and under this guise promote the cause of the Harlot.

If only he could understand that he is going to share the judgement of this Harlot.

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News Item4/9/13 11:17 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Lurker wrote:
Don't let Steve's feeble attempts to humiliate his opponents rile you up.
The texts he quoted actually prove that all believers are pillars in the house of God, which house we are, and defeats the very point he tried to make.
You are just walking right into arent you? Thank you

Thats the RCC view too of what Paul is saying to Timothy. They differ with a more exclusive but more Biblical view of PILLAR. Most Christians are lively stones not pillars, in the Spiritual Temple.

1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

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News Item4/9/13 11:09 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Watchman wrote:
Wow! Absolutely amazing ignorance.
...the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of truth...
How does anyone read this to make Timothy the pillar and ground of truth is beyond me, but apparently I am not being biblical
This RCC advocate doesn't even possess a grasp of basic grammar.
Don't let Steve's feeble attempts to humiliate rile you up.

The texts he quoted actually prove that all believers are pillars in the house of God, which house we are, and defeats the very point he tried to make.

This is what usually happens when one seeks to exalt self rather than God.

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News Item4/9/13 10:54 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Observer wrote:
Hey Watchman
Your observation is spot on.
Did you see him do a Wedgie dance when he was wrong on Christ "was" the seed? According to him we should never speak of Christ as "was". Ha!
And then we have his comment to JY:
John Yurich USA wrote:
And thus the entire Mass is not unbiblical.
SteveR responds
Im guessing you didnt intend the double negative JY
Okay let's try stating this differently:
1. And thus the entire Mass is unbiblical
or
2. And thus the entire Mass is not biblical
Well you can just imagine JY saying that can't you!
I am trying to find his "positive" strong suit, and I am searching very diligently because it ain't in plain site. Plenty -ve but that is why..... you know the rest
1) In the 'is' was' issue your choice of verb IN THAT PARTICULAR case was very telling.

2) In JYs case, I too think he should find another Church Home. Not that the RCC is satanic, but rather he can receive a fuller understanding of his Christian Faith elsewhere. I think he knows that he is now limited where he is, and not to mention worshipping in a manner he doesnt fully agree with(Like his admitted disdain for the 7 Sacraments of the RCC)

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News Item4/9/13 10:41 AM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Watchman wrote:
This RCC advocate doesn't even possess a grasp of basic grammar.
Hey Watchman

Your observation is spot on.

Did you see him do a Wedgie dance when he was wrong on Christ "was" the seed? According to him we should never speak of Christ as "was". Ha!

Then he couldn't grasp Gal 3.29 "...Ye are Abraham's seed..". The 'seed' is apparently not connected to the YE, it is still a reference to Christ here.

And then we have his comment to JY:

John Yurich USA wrote:
And thus the entire Mass is not unbiblical.

SteveR responds
Im guessing you didnt intend the double negative JY

Okay let's try stating this differently:

1. And thus the entire Mass is unbiblical

or

2. And thus the entire Mass is not biblical

Well you can just imagine JY saying that can't you!

I am trying to find his "positive" strong suit, and I am searching very diligently because it ain't in plain site. Plenty -ve but that is why ..... you know the chorus!

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News Item4/9/13 9:16 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Watchman wrote:
Wow! Absolutely amazing ignorance.
...the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of truth...
How does anyone read this to make Timothy the pillar and ground of truth is beyond me, but apparently I am not being biblical
This RCC advocate doesn't even possess a grasp of basic grammar.
Congratulations, you have moved from simple ignorance of centuries of analysis on this piece of Sacred Scripture to obstinate foolishness.
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News Item4/9/13 9:08 AM
Watchman  Find all comments by Watchman
SteveR wrote:
Ouch...Horrible conclusion from 1 Tim 3:15
I know it makes you feel like a holy 'watchman', but 1 Timothy 3:15 is not the best choice of Scripture to utilize for JY. It is considered one of the Apostolic Succession Proof Texts. The Bishop of Rome relys on the pillar of Peter. Notice how PILLAR is a metaphor for specific persons in other parts of Scripture? (Being Biblical is important to you, right?) Otherwise you can try to make the argument that Timothy is that PILLAR which is difficult to do.
Galatians 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall.....
Wow! Absolutely amazing ignorance.

...the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of truth...

How does anyone read this to make Timothy the pillar and ground of truth is beyond me, but apparently I am not being biblical

This RCC advocate doesn't even possess a grasp of basic grammar.

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News Item4/9/13 8:51 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Watchman wrote:
Rome does not teach the truths of the Bible despite the NT teaching that the church of the living God should be the pillar and ground of TRUTH
1 Timothy 3:15
...that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, WHICH IS THE CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD, THE PILLAR AND GROUND OF THE TRUTH.
She therefore teaches a false religion and is a false church.
Ouch...Horrible conclusion from 1 Tim 3:15

I know it makes you feel like a holy 'watchman', but 1 Timothy 3:15 is not the best choice of Scripture to utilize for JY. It is considered one of the Apostolic Succession Proof Texts. The Bishop of Rome relys on the pillar of Peter. Notice how PILLAR is a metaphor for specific persons in other parts of Scripture? (Being Biblical is important to you, right?) Otherwise you can try to make the argument that Timothy is that PILLAR here which is difficult to do.

Galatians 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall.....

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News Item4/9/13 7:45 AM
Watchman  Find all comments by Watchman
John Yurich USA wrote:
If the Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD" then that means that the RCC believes in and worships the biblical and historical Jesus as God. Normal Evangelical Protestants state that the RCC has a false gospel but states the RCC worships the biblical and historical Jesus as God.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Rome does not teach the truths of the Bible despite the NT teaching that the church of the living God should be the pillar and ground of TRUTH

1 Timothy 3:15
...that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, WHICH IS THE CHURCH OF THE LIVING GOD, THE PILLAR AND GROUND OF THE TRUTH.

She therefore teaches a false religion and is a false church.

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News Item4/9/13 7:02 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
As hard as I try to just let this topic go, and to just go silent; disagreeing agreeably...I just can't because I'm finding it impossible to arrive at any sort of conclusion that would help to ease my mind. I want nothing more than to let this go and believe that my wife, family, and her family are all set.
Everything I have read and studied tells me just the opposite. The difference in attitude and lifestyle between true born again Christians and Roman Catholics is worlds apart. I think it's because Rome teaches Purgatory and indulgences, giving a false sense of security, even to the worst sort of person. Everyone gets to Heaven...eventually.
I wish I could have the assurance that they were all saved. I believe that there are young Saints within the church, but I have a lot of trouble believing that they could remain for any extended length of time.
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News Item4/9/13 6:35 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
The Lord Jesus said He is the way, the TRUTH, and the life. The RCC has always taught another way, that is false, and leads to death. Therefore, they have NEVER worshiped Jesus as the God we find declared in the Holy Scriptures but one of their own making. The Bible calls this the spirit of Anti Christ. What fellowship has Christ with idols, none. It is just another false man made religion conjured up by the prince of darkness passing himself off as an angel of light. Sorry, if I am coming off as being harsh, but it is the eternal souls of men about which we are speaking and the Bible says you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
If the Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD" then that means that the RCC believes in and worships the biblical and historical Jesus as God. Normal Evangelical Protestants state that the RCC has a false gospel but states the RCC worships the biblical and historical Jesus as God.
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News Item4/8/13 7:08 PM
Unprofitable Servant | Georgia  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
The Lord Jesus said He is the way, the TRUTH, and the life. The RCC has always taught another way, that is false, and leads to death. Therefore, they have NEVER worshiped Jesus as the God we find declared in the Holy Scriptures but one of their own making. The Bible calls this the spirit of Anti Christ. What fellowship has Christ with idols, none. It is just another false man made religion conjured up by the prince of darkness passing himself off as an angel of light. Sorry, if I am coming off as being harsh, but it is the eternal souls of men about which we are speaking and the Bible says you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.
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News Item4/8/13 5:55 PM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Rufus wrote:
The gospel of the Holy Bible requires only belief in the shed blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins for eternal salvation
But you bring a gun with you to Church anyways
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