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TUESDAY, MAR 26, 2013  |  45 comments
Calif. Pastor Rebukes Christians for 'Worshipping Weapons' Amid Gun Debate
A California pastor has taken his congregation to the Bible in an effort to dispel the fear and anxiety he believes has gripped many people amid the national debate on gun control, while also taking some Christians to task for "worshipping" their weapons.

Shane Idleman, who is pro-gun ownership and pastor of Westside Christian Fellowship in Lancaster, Calif., told worshippers this past weekend that he feels people on both sides of the highly-charged gun control debate have mischaracterized the issue, and that some Christians are twisting Scripture and using troublesome language to support their arguments.

"This issue is, it's becoming pretty big in our culture today," said Idelman, while also sharing that what he's seen on the Internet and blogs is "alarming" and "ridiculous." ...


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News Item3/31/13 5:58 PM
Bated breath  Find all comments by Bated breath
Kyle wrote:
Still waiting
I can sense your anticipation from here.
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News Item3/31/13 3:20 PM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
That's funny! Infringement is what makes me excited.

Still waiting for Jim's (Guy's?) answer.

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News Item3/31/13 12:34 AM
Guy  Find all comments by Guy
Kyle wrote:
Really? What does the second amendment do, then?
It gets you excited.
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News Item3/31/13 12:24 AM
Kyle | Tucson  Find all comments by Kyle
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Mike of N.Y., it is not the 2nd Amendment that protect the right to have guns, but the 14th which was designed so Blacks could arm themselves to protect themselves against Whites
Really? What does the second amendment do, then?
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News Item3/30/13 3:05 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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Mike of N.Y., you might find even liberals who think that when it comes to home defense they have the right and need to have a gun. I just worry to many of the Posse Comitatus types is like arming the North Koreans or Iranians with a nuclear weapons, though thankfully on a much smaller scale.
Are you also opposed to the military having posse comitatus authority?
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News Item3/30/13 2:42 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
I understand Jim . Thanks
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News Item3/30/13 2:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
mr. b., those are biblical definitions of what a Christian is, you might say that they came out of the Reformation, "Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory" is just plain Biblical. If you reject them, any Christian from Arminian to Calvinist from Reformed to Dispensational would say you just rejected the essentials of being Christian. So, it is not me that would make that statement, it is any even slightly knowledgeable Christian who would make that statement. Of course the Romish Church anathematized itself when they declared the belief in any of those points as being an anathema, but of course Catholics aren't Christian. Oh, I might add, Marks of the True Believer to flesh out the above.

Mike of N.Y., you might find even liberals who think that when it comes to home defense they have the right and need to have a gun. I just worry to many of the Posse Comitatus (organization) types is like arming the North Koreans or Iranians with a nuclear weapons, though thankfully on a much smaller scale.

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News Item3/30/13 12:38 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Thank you. I honestly don't dislike Jim or anyone on here. I am human and far from perfect. I miss the mark. If I arrived I wouldn't be commenting on S.A. I d be in heaven. I'm nor better or more spiritual than anyone on here either. I also came to know that pastors did fight in the revolution. I don't know what their views were on races. Me being Sicilian Italian and black I'm thankful that we have what we have because of those before us. I hate the direction our country has taken. I know it's already written things are gonna get worse but I doubt God wants us to just sit there and take it. I'm sure He would expect us to fight for truth and morality and freedom.
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News Item3/30/13 11:27 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
ah, mr b, don't let Jim get you going. I know someone recently who saved a life, the police helped out... point is the person who's life was saved is not calling it worship but a good samaritan deed. I saw nothing odd in your comments, but someone who loves the Lord and his people. and chuck baldwin writes historically about the black regiment. there was a time when pastors spoke for the needs of the people and recognized the powers that bind, if anyone should be rebuked, its this pastor who would interfere in the affairs of other men in an era when feminism has tried to strip out the autonomy that makes the man the head of a home. true government as we see in Romans 13 includes that of the family and that of the community -- not a power solely given to an international monopoly to dismantle the prior.
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News Item3/30/13 9:18 AM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
I just want to apologize to anyone I offended in this thread. I got a little heated . At least I can admit when I'm wrong. Apparently I'm wrong a lot. I'm far from a biblical scholar or perfect.
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News Item3/29/13 4:28 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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But no, I haven't attacked the right to have guns at home, I would just like to have people not to have an automatic knee-jerk reaction to either having a pistol or not.
Correct. Now preach it to the left.
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News Item3/29/13 3:14 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Lost
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News Item3/29/13 3:13 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
And yes I do have a heart for the list broken and sin sick.
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News Item3/29/13 3:11 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
It's just a discussion. You didn't say anything wrong . Jim did. According to him I'm not a Christian because I speak out against immoral lifestyles, stand up for the name of Jesus , am pro second amendment, I love freedom , my family and contact my senators and congressmen to stand up for what's right. Apparently that's a wrong Christian attitude.
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News Item3/29/13 3:09 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
But I'm not questioning your faith patriot. I'm not being hostile toward you. I listened to your comment. I respect your comment . I have no ill will toward you.
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News Item3/29/13 3:07 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
I loved that book patriot. It was a powerful read.
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News Item3/29/13 3:05 PM
Patriot  Find all comments by Patriot
Mr b wrote:
Lets ask them this, was Dietrich Bonhoeffer wrong for standing for what he believed in? He died for it. But I'm wrong
I have read Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer's spirituality makes a deep impression.

And I have read your comments.

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News Item3/29/13 3:03 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Why don't you go get some heart knowledge cause your theology isn't gonna save you
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News Item3/29/13 3:02 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
What makes you think you are a Christian ? What makes you better?
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News Item3/29/13 3:01 PM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
Please , who are you to question my faith. You have no idea what my walk is like. Minimum requirements. Excuse me Pharisee. Don't ever question my walk. I never question anyone else's .
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