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MONDAY, MAR 25, 2013  |  26 comments
Horrific human toll of 'militant atheism' exposed
Rwanda: 800,000 dead. Armenia: 1 million. The Holocaust: More than 6 million.

World history is littered with exhibits of the utter brutality of mankind toward his fellow man.

But now a new project under way to recount a history that has not received the attention it deserves, the “militant atheist” campaign in the former Soviet Union on people of faith.

The staggering death toll of Christians alone, estimates the documentary, “Martyred in the USSR,” is 12 million.


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News Item3/26/13 4:34 PM
Communist countries  Find all comments by Communist countries
Summary of the 4 March 2012 Russian presidential election results
Candidates Nominating parties Votes %
Vladimir Putin United Russia 45,513,001 63.64
Gennady Zyuganov Communist Party 12,288,624 17.18
Mikhail Prokhorov Independent 5,680,558 7.94
Vladimir Zhirinovsky Liberal Democratic Party 4,448,959 6.22
Sergey Mironov A Just Russia 2,755,642 3.85
Valid votes 70,686,784 98.84
Invalid votes 833,191 1.16
Total votes 71,519,975 100.00
Registered voters/turnout 109,610,812 65.25
Source: Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation

Summary of the 4 December 2011 State Duma election results
Parties and alliances Seat composition Popular vote % ± pp
swing
Seats ± %
United Russia 238 77 52.88% 32,379,135 49.32% 14.98%
Communist Party 92 35 20.46% 12,599,507 19.19% 7.62%
A Just Russia 64 26 14.21% 8,695,522 13.24% 5.50%
Liberal Democratic Party 56 16 12.45% 7,664,570 11.67% 3.53%
Yabloko 0 0 0% 2,252,403 3.43% 1.84%
Patriots of Russia 0 0 0% 639,119 0.97% 0.08%
Right Cause 0 0 0% 392,806 0.60% new party
Total 450 0 100% 64,623,062 100%
Valid ballot papers 64,623,062 98.43%
Invalid ballot papers 1,033,464 1.57%
Eligible voters 109,237,780 Turnout: 60.10%

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News Item3/26/13 4:20 PM
Bow  Find all comments by Bow
Stern wrote:
The only people that think there ever can be Communist countries are deceived, committed followers of the Communist religion. So what does that make Bow?
Rubbish! The problem with your view is that you look at communism from the theoretical concept.

But reality demands that we view communism as it develops in human society. Thus does history record the true view of communism in action not just as theory.

When it is a theory it is merely speculation on paper. When involved with and interactive with human society - a nation - then it is the actual outworking of a socio/econ/politico system in context with and in relation to people. There it is a reality.

The communist countries such as Russia and China ARE COMMUNIST NATIONS. The system works in their societies and can be observed as "failed" from our perspective only because we hold a different ideology of people government.

But what in effect the examples of Russia/China does in the reality of nations is demonstrate communism in action - rather than communism in theory. The necessity of communism in action (a communist nation) reveals communism to us in all its fundamental flaws and failures. In other words in actuality of evidence of what it really is and supposed to be.

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News Item3/26/13 2:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No one doubts the murderous results of the atheistic Communist societies, and even the freed states of the former Soviet Union, Here is from a source that is as reprehensible as any Catholic one, Pat Robertson - Another False Teacher Robertson's organization CBN, but the article itself tells of the typical treatment of Christians in many of these states, Ex-Soviet Country Faces Communist-Era Persecution.

But, still one can't forget the Medieval Inquisition and Spanish Inquisitions, Of course what happened in Rwanda, Genocide of the Tutsis--the Role of the Roman Catholic Church what atheists and Muhammadans have done doesn't reach the level of moral severity (though in numbers the atheists killed may equalled or surpassed the Romish Church) for people who call themselves Christian.

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News Item3/26/13 1:23 PM
Stern  Find all comments by Stern
Mike wrote:
All means some. Ask around.
Context is King.
All cannot mean some if it ...

jpw wrote:
proves the point of scripture that all men have fallen short th glory of God.
If all means some in that context, then it could only prove that some have fallen short of the glory of God.

I think you must be mistaken.

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News Item3/26/13 12:51 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Stern wrote:
Nonsense - e.g. pacificism, pietism, protestantism, congregationalism.
All means some. Ask around.
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News Item3/26/13 12:29 PM
Stern  Find all comments by Stern
John UK wrote:
And also altruism.
And that is a truism.
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News Item3/26/13 12:24 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Stern wrote:
Nonsense - e.g. pacificism, pietism, protestantism, congregationalism.
And also altruism.
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News Item3/26/13 11:06 AM
Stern  Find all comments by Stern
jpw wrote:
all the isms are an excuse for people to steal from and kill others.
Nonsense - e.g. pacificism, pietism, protestantism, congregationalism.
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News Item3/26/13 9:41 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
all the isms are an excuse for people to steal from and kill others. proves the point of scripture that all men have fallen short th glory of God. and why is man punished for his sins, because as much as he can be the victim in a concentration camp, he can also be the one in uniform driving the train.

the philosophies and philanthropies are ever real. one we see right now is the depopulation movement. it is basically a philosophy that somehow in the minds of the advancers gives excuse for what their inner conscience (before it is seared) testifies to being evil.

one of these things is that they must deny God and God's creation, because God would put limits.

in the end, those pushing the advances are not particularly prone to believing their own dogma, it is simply a means to an end. and the smaller minions begin to realize that their conditions of life are way worse after the violence and destruction of society than before, and in the mix have lost their own family and inheritance.

the odd thing about human history, is that even when the public is well-versed in history of such movements, they are easily prone to follow the pattern themselves. the common sin being pride, as we see in the German church. this can easily happen and is happening to the am. church

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News Item3/26/13 12:59 AM
Stern  Find all comments by Stern
Mike wrote:
No self respecting communist (or socialist republican if preferred) would ever allow the state to wither away.
But then, nor would a biblical Christian.
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News Item3/25/13 8:07 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Stern wrote:
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1. God reveals what human nature is like.
2. God rules the nations.
3. Marx was wrong.
But beware of people with real Communist ideals nonetheless.
Mike - think "mediator." They believe in one, but it is the wrong one.
They also lie a lot. No self respecting communist (or socialist republican if preferred) would ever allow the state to wither away. The benefits of being more equal than others is just too much to resist. Like you said, human nature. Without God, garbage. Marx was an idiot.
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News Item3/25/13 6:58 PM
Stern  Find all comments by Stern
Not sure why you could not give the website you copied:
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_communist.html

Aside from the inaccurate heading "Communist Nations" the website accurately emphasises the religious nature of Communist beliefs and that they are listing countries that currently have a government directed by a Communist Party.

As noted below, beware of the those holding real Communist beliefs. Communist beliefs look to a counterfeit mediator and hold to a set of dogma - a religion in a sociological sense.

But, those holding to Communist dogma, as established by Marx, do not believe that that in itself constitutes a Communist country. A Communist country is an idealized state that they have not yet evolved into.

There are no Communist countries.

Those who believe on Christ will surely know and recognise the errors and falsehoods of the counterfeit religious creed of Communism.

The only people that think there ever can be Communist countries are deceived, committed followers of the Communist religion. So what does that make Bow?

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News Item3/25/13 6:34 PM
communist countries  Find all comments by communist countries
Regardless of its theological status, Communism is classified as a religion in the sociological sense. Note that this list only includes countries which currently have Communist governments. Most countries have an organized Communist Party, but their statistics are not included here.

Country Total Population % Communist Total Number of
Party Members
China 1,313,973,713 4.7% 61.8 million
North Korea 23,113,019 ? ?
Vietnam 84,402,966 3% 2.5 million
Cuba 11,382,820 11.7% 1.3 million

Source of population estimates, calculated for July 2006:
CIA World Factbook, http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2119rank.html; viewed 20 June 2006

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News Item3/25/13 5:36 PM
Stern  Find all comments by Stern
Bow wrote:
Perhaps on your planet there are not.
But on this planet there are and Russia, China et al are the examples of them.
Like all socio/econ/politico ideologies the seed develops and grows into hybrid - but the basis is communism.
With respect, it is those that make up their own meanings for well defined words that are on their own planet.

You are simply wrong.

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News Item3/25/13 5:32 PM
Bow  Find all comments by Bow
Stern wrote:
Not so. There are no Communist countries, therefore they can not be the big power in the nations.
Perhaps on your planet there are not.

But on this planet there are and Russia, China et al are the examples of them.

Like all socio/econ/politico ideologies the seed develops and grows into hybrid - but the basis is communism.

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News Item3/25/13 5:23 PM
Stern  Find all comments by Stern
Bow wrote:
Communism is the big brother in terms of power in the nations.
Not so. There are no Communist countries, therefore they can not be the big power in the nations.

In its usual confused way Wikipedia lists Cuba, Laos and Vietnam as self-described as Communist but with no attributable sources. (Perhaps you wrote it?)

However, if you turn over to their list of Socialist countries you will find that they are listed again with the note that "However, the countries themselves are referred to as socialist republics, not communist in their own constitutions."

There are no Communist countries.

Bow wrote:
Socialism does not necessarily lead to communism because of the diversities.
"Diversities"? - you sound like a tree hugger.
No necessarily about it.

Socialism will not ever lead to to Communism because:
1. God reveals what human nature is like.
2. God rules the nations.
3. Marx was wrong.

But beware of people with real Communist ideals nonetheless.

Mike - think "mediator." They believe in one, but it is the wrong one.

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News Item3/25/13 5:13 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Bow wrote:
Communism is the big brother in terms of power in the nations.
Socialism is little brother in terms of its moderate effect amongst people of diverse socio/econ/political convictions. (Where it exists)
Socialism does not necessarily lead to communism because of the diversities.
They're both built on faulty premises.

1) "We know better than you, because we're better than you."

2) "We know what's best for you."

3) "We'll take care of you, you can trust us."

4) "The state is God."

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News Item3/25/13 4:57 PM
joe lee | usa  Find all comments by joe lee
Sir Winston:
I must beg to differ with your idea about the equal sharing of misery under socialism. I think you would be more accurate to state, "The inherent vice of socialism is that there are no blessings from God, only the State, and misery is exponentially maximized and forced upon the citizenry as the corrupt state dictates."
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News Item3/25/13 4:30 PM
Bow  Find all comments by Bow
Stern wrote:
No, socialism is the child of capitalism from which it grows. It is the intermediate step on the way to communism. Socialism is therefore the weaker, elder brother of communism.
Communism is the big brother in terms of power in the nations.

Socialism is little brother in terms of its moderate effect amongst people of diverse socio/econ/political convictions. (Where it exists)

Socialism does not necessarily lead to communism because of the diversities.

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News Item3/25/13 4:06 PM
Stern  Find all comments by Stern
Winston Churchill wrote:
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."
So says the guy who was born in the family palace.

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else."

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