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FRONT PAGE  |  11/19/2017
MONDAY, FEB 25, 2013  |  17 comments
Cardinal Keith O'Brien resigns as Archbishop

Britain's most senior Roman Catholic cleric, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, is stepping down as leader of the Scottish Catholic Church.

It follows allegations - which he contests - of inappropriate behaviour towards priests dating from the 1980s.

In a statement, he apologised to those he had offended during his ministry.

The cardinal confirmed he would not take part in the election for a successor to the Pope - leaving Britain unrepresented in the election.


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News Item2/28/13 11:25 AM
Mr b  Find all comments by Mr b
It just goes to show people that a priest cannot hide behind the cross, the cross exposes us for what we really are.
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News Item2/26/13 4:28 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks America.
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News Item2/26/13 10:59 AM
America  Find all comments by America
Christopher000,
Have had the same experience with all of our family members also.Very, very difficult since we have told them all including parents we will never set foot in a RC building for weddings,funerals ,etc.They are all held up daily at the throne of Grace.Only
HE change hearts.
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News Item2/26/13 7:16 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
In a town near me, Woonsocket, RI, another pedophile priest resigned due to allegations of abuse. I mentioned this to my wife, a Roman Catholic, and asked her why so many priests seem to be homosexual, and/or pedophiles and she became very angry in defending them. She is way out of touch or in denial concerning this issue within her one true church.
Her and her family become very combative whenever I speak up about their church.
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News Item2/25/13 5:24 PM
Count Basie  Find all comments by Count Basie
Helms wrote:
The question remains standing "Why wait 30 years to announce this abuse?"
No the question does not remain except for those who want to reject it out of hand with having the evidence considered.
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News Item2/25/13 5:05 PM
Cliff Leckey | N. Ireland  Find all comments by Cliff Leckey
Jim Lincoln wrote:
In other words the parish priest up to including the Pope (the next one shouldn't bother to take the office) should resign.
What an excellent piece of advice to the next would be pope.
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News Item2/25/13 3:07 PM
Helms  Find all comments by Helms
The question remains standing "Why wait 30 years to announce this abuse?"

"Journalists have said that in 1986 "the Vatican pronounced homosexuality to be a disorder, whereas in years before the church had regarded it as morally neutral." The Catholic Church in fact, which judges homosexuality in the sense of homosexual activity to be, like all forms of sexual activity outside of marriage, objectively wrong, considers homosexuality in the sense of homosexual orientation to be objectively a possibly immutable disorder that as such does not call for moral condemnation: "the Catholic Church teaches that it is not a sin to be gay man or lesbian". The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: "The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition" (Wiki)

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News Item2/25/13 2:56 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood, or Abuse by Priests (PDF) is not only there moral degradation, but also their office is unbiblical.

Matthew 23
15 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel about on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.---NASB

This verse applies just as well to Romish priests since Roman Catholic Authority (PDF) patterns itself after 1st Century Jewish religious structure.

In other words the parish priest up to including the Pope (the next one shouldn't bother to take the office) should resign.

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News Item2/25/13 1:08 PM
Count Basie  Find all comments by Count Basie
Helms wrote:
"Child sexual abuse became a public issue in the 1970s and 1980s. Prior to this point in time sexual abuse remained rather secretive and socially unspeakable. Studies on child molestation were nonexistent until the 1920s and the first national estimate of the number of child sexual abuse cases was published in 1948. By 1968, 44 out of 50 U.S. states had enacted mandatory laws that required physicians to report cases of suspicious child abuse. Second wave feminism (early 1960s to late 1990s) brought greater awareness of child sexual abuse and violence against women, and made them public, political issues." (from Wiki on Catholic sex abuse cases)
None of which detracts from my statement.
Note especially,
1. The reference is to child sexual abuse in general.
2. Scotland is not in the US.

So with the quote not referencing the Catholic Church and not referencing Scotland, what relevance does it have?

In fact the quotation you use on that page is cut and paste from another wikipedia page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#The_rise_of_public_concern

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News Item2/25/13 1:01 PM
Helms  Find all comments by Helms
Count Basie wrote:
No the question does not remain
"Child sexual abuse became a public issue in the 1970s and 1980s. Prior to this point in time sexual abuse remained rather secretive and socially unspeakable. Studies on child molestation were nonexistent until the 1920s and the first national estimate of the number of child sexual abuse cases was published in 1948. By 1968, 44 out of 50 U.S. states had enacted mandatory laws that required physicians to report cases of suspicious child abuse. Second wave feminism (early 1960s to late 1990s) brought greater awareness of child sexual abuse and violence against women, and made them public, political issues." (from Wiki on Catholic sex abuse cases)
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News Item2/25/13 12:56 PM
Asa | Ariz.  Find all comments by Asa
Rev. 18:2,4
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News Item2/25/13 12:52 PM
Count Basie  Find all comments by Count Basie
Helms wrote:
The question remains "Why wait 30 years?"
Going public is a bigger 'protest' than resignation which obviously remained a silent protest.
There is RCC politics in this event and its timing.
No the question does not remain except for those who want to reject it out of hand with having the evidence considered.

And if he had gone public rather than follow due process within the church no doubt he would have been castigated for that too.

In view of the nature of the violation of him, it is understandable that there would have been a felt sense of shame. Many are forced by that felt sense of shame to cover the crimes of their violators for decades.

Today, it is common knowledge that many Romish priests violate both children and their subservients. Thirty years ago it was unthinkable in the public mind, and the RCC was in 100% denial.

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News Item2/25/13 12:42 PM
Helms  Find all comments by Helms
Count Basie wrote:
It is hard to think of a bigger protest than to resign your calling in disgust
The question remains "Why wait 30 years?"

Going public is a bigger 'protest' than resignation which obviously remained a silent protest.

There is RCC politics in this event and its timing.

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News Item2/25/13 12:21 PM
Count Basie  Find all comments by Count Basie
In fairness,

Helms wrote:
1980's
Why wait 30 years to tell all?
"The former priest claims Cardinal O'Brien made an inappropriate approach to him in 1980, after night prayers, when he was a seminarian at St Andrew's College, Drygrange. The complainant says he resigned as a priest when Cardinal O'Brien was first made a bishop"

It is hard to think of a bigger protest than to resign your calling in disgust.

It appears to be a 30 year cover up, not a 30 year wait to protest.

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News Item2/25/13 11:59 AM
Helms  Find all comments by Helms
"It follows allegations - which he contests - of inappropriate behaviour towards priests dating from the 1980s."

1980's
Why wait 30 years to tell all?

Methinks there is politics in this especially from what we heard about the Cardinals report to the Pope about queers corrupting and black mailing the cardinals etc at the Vatican.

A real soap opera.

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News Item2/25/13 11:30 AM
Count Basie  Find all comments by Count Basie
Yes, does sound like he banished celibacy.

Rufus wrote:
Too funny...so much for advocating for a ban on celibacy.
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News Item2/25/13 9:54 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Too funny...so much for advocating for a ban on celibacy.
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