I think that when people pray against establishments and something happens that removes those establishments from the public square, it may be possible that God had a hand in it. We fight not flesh against flesh, but against spirits and principalities of the air. Against wickedness in high places. If a man so loves his town that he prays that God will remove dens of iniquity and sexual immorality-which God judges very harshly-then, he has committed no sin. Who among us is to say whether God blew up this joint or not.
If a church blows up, then perhaps God has blown it up. Pastor Lively only knows that he has prayed for the centers of sexual immorality to leave his town. I do not condemn him for seeing this as answer to that prayer. How can a man not have hope that his community will be delivered from sexual immorality, which if allowed to flourish will bring about destruction in the lives of the people of the community. Such things are a cancer.
When Planned Parenthood clinics or abortion clinics close down, I know a good many people myself included who rejoice that God has shut down a killing center for babies. I will not accept rebuke for that. If God stops evil in some way, then still God should be Glorified. Man is not evil for thinking this.
Titus 1 5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you might set in order what remains, and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, 6 namely, if any man be above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion. 7 For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, 8 but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, 9 holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, that he may be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. 10 For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach, for the sake of sordid gain.---NASB
Neil could very well be right about what may happen to churches if there are people out their who are, "an eye for an eye," types. Pugnaciousness is catching why do you think Muhammadanism is so popular?
Neil wrote: Should we presume that if a church blew up instead, God didn't do that? â€ťGentlemen's Clubâ€ś is NewSpeak for â€śClub for Childish Menâ€ś
Neil, Presuming can be a very dangerous thing:
Esther 7:5-6 KJV Then the king Ahasuerus answered and said unto Esther the queen, Who is he, and where is he, that durst presume in his heart to do so? And Esther said, The adversary and enemy is this wicked Haman. Then Haman was afraid before the king and the queen.
King Ahasuerus as you probably know, subsequent to Esther 7:5-6, had Haman hung on a Gallows, the very one that Haman had built to hang someone whom Haman hated.
Neil wrote: Should we presume that if a church blew up instead, God didn't do that?
Luke 13:1-5 comes to mind. Job 2:10 and perhaps John 9:2,3 as well.
Neil wrote: â€ťGentlemen's Clubâ€ś is NewSpeak for â€śClub for Childish Menâ€ś
I remember feeling the same way about the phrase "adult entertainment". Especially since, in my own experience, such entertainment tended to be at least as popular among adolescent kids as it was with adults.