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FRIDAY, NOV 30, 2012  |  37 comments  |  1 commentary
UN vote recognizes state of Palestine; US objects

The United Nations voted overwhelmingly Thursday to recognize a Palestinian state, a victory decades in the making for the Palestinians after years of occupation and war. It was a sharp rebuke for Israel and the United States.

A Palestinian flag was quickly unfurled on the floor of the General Assembly, behind the Palestinian delegation, as the final vote was cast.

In an extraordinary lineup of international support, more than two-thirds of the world body's 193 member states approved the resolution upgrading the Palestinians to a nonmember observer state. It passed 138-9, with 41 abstentions. ...


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Al Palestina (Al Philistia)  Find all comments by Al Palestina (Al Philistia)
If One Is Familiar With The True Holy Bible; One Knows Without A Shadow Of A Doubt The Word "Palestine" In "New Testament Times" Is None Other Than The "Philistia" Of "Old Testament Times".

"Palestine" Was/Is The Roman/Latin Word For "Philistine".

"Philistia" Was & Always Has Been Located In &-Or Around Historic "Gaza"; That Is, The " 'Gaza' Strip".

The "Palestinians" Of Today Are None Other Than The "Blood-Descendants" Of The "Philistines" Of "Old Testament Times".

Except Their "god" Today Is Not Their Historic "fish-god" dagon; But, The Historic Tribal "moon-god" Of Mohammed: "allah".

"The Thing That Hath Been, It Is That Which Shall Be; And That Which Is Done Is That Which Shall Be Done: And There Is No New Thing Under The Sun."--Ecclesiastes 1:9

There Are No New "Races" Under The Sun Either;

Just The "Races" & The "Mixed-Races" Of The Sons Of Noah:

#1.Shem (The Father Of The Shemitic &-Or Semitic Peoples On Planet Earth),

#2.Ham (The Father Of The Hamitic Peoples On Planet Earth),

And

#3.Japheth (The Father Of The Japhetic Peoples On Planet Earth).

The Descendants Of The People Of King David; The Semitic Sephardic "Jews": Are Still Striving With The Descendants Of The People Of "Goliath":

**The Philistines Or Present Day Palestinians.**

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News Item12/5/12 4:53 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
I agree, that is why I initially said I was not recommending this fellow's theology in any way. In fact, all I ever said was I found the article fascinating and added, "others have done the same study".
But, I like the way you do your homework. I often do the same thing; look up the author of something and then discount his thoughts, especially if he supports heretics. I didn't even know this fellow liked Finney, but I found the same thing you did on google search. Thanks
Well I went to the homepage, and from there found this lad's testimony. Vague. And then his father wanted to start a Bible College in North India. So he started saving up and asking donations. He got an architect to build a model of the college along with the (prophetically-inspired) surrounding ground.

He went over to India with 25k to buy some land to start building, but the prices were too steep and he couldn't afford it.

But then someone offered him just the place for 25k, and the ground was exactly as the architect had drawn it. When he asked why so cheap, the owner said he had been trying to grow mango trees there, but they wouldn't get over 6ft tall, so he had given up.

So he bought it, and the mango trees started growing...

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News Item12/5/12 4:35 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
He also upholds and loves Finney's sermons, even going to the extent of editing and republishing them.
I agree, that is why I initially said I was not recommending this fellow's theology in any way. In fact, all I ever said was I found the article fascinating and added, "others have done the same study".

But, I like the way you do your homework. I often do the same thing; look up the author of something and then discount his thoughts, especially if he supports heretics. I didn't even know this fellow liked Finney, but I found the same thing you did on google search. Thanks

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News Item12/5/12 4:15 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank wrote:
Right or wrong, I thought the author simply yielded to the translation, or at a minimum, he gave reasoning for his conclusion. Where do you get from the below that he had an agenda? Now I am not saying you are wrong, but I don't see how you can deduce that from the article.
From the conclusion that the 69th week ended exactly at 33AD.

To get there he had to pick Artaxerxe's grant to Nehemiah (444 BCE) to rebuild the defensive walls of Jerusalem, with swords in hand for fear of the enemy (even though God said: "For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her. Zech 2:5)) as the beginning of the seventy weeks.... nearly a hundred years after Babylon cease to be an empire. Did not God promise to take vengeance on Babylon and redeem His people and return them to their inheritance after seventy years (Jer 29:10) or was it 170 years?

Also from the obvious fact that he doesn't know what purpose the first seven weeks served in God's plan of events which I added to my post below after you quoted it, sorry.

Gotta get back to work.... later.

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News Item12/5/12 4:04 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
I give the author credit for creativity but it is clear to me that he had a presupposition to unphold.
He also upholds and loves Finney's sermons, even going to the extent of editing and republishing them.
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News Item12/5/12 4:01 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Lurker wrote:
Yes, I read through it, Frank.
Two things stuck out like sore thumbs. First is the combining of the seven weeks and the sixty two weeks. I don't buy it.
I give the author credit for creativity but it is clear to me that he had a presupposition to unphold.
Right or wrong, I thought the author simply yielded to the translation, or at a minimum, he gave reasoning for his conclusion. Where do you get from the below that he had an agenda? Now I am not saying you are wrong, but I don't see how you can deduce that from the article.

The Seputagint favors a continuous sentence between the 7 and 62 weeks. In addition, the Vulgate (the early Latin translation made by Jerome from Hebrew) supports a continuous sentence. Because the RSV (published in 1947) chose to follow the athnach, translations derived from it (like the NRSV and ESV), follow this questionable and late punctuation scheme. On the grounds that earlier translations from Hebrew (including one made before Jesus' time) favor the continuous sentence, it will be followed here. Many commentators concur with this decision.

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News Item12/5/12 3:47 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Frank wrote:
http://www.anchorcross.org/people/kuruvilla/essay_daniel9.shtml
Yes, I read through it, Frank.

Two things stuck out like sore thumbs. First is the combining of the seven weeks and the sixty two weeks. If the sixty nine weeks were meant to be combined it would have been much easier for the HS to inspire Daniel to word the verse accordingly. In addition, combining the sixty nine weeks changes the meaning of the text so it conveniently fits the authors presuppositions. The first seven weeks were "the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates. (Jer 46:10)

Second, the commandment was given by Cyrus which ended the 70 years of Babylonian captivity and immediately ushered in the seventy weeks. God had much to say about Cyrus through His prophet (Isaiah 44:24-45:1-7 for beginners). In fact many prophetic scholars regard Cyrus as a type of Christ based on this text. Not a prophetic word about Artaxerxes.

I give the author credit for creativity but it is clear to me that he had a presupposition to unphold.

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News Item12/5/12 3:36 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Dopey wrote:
Frank,
this is exactly what I believe:

2. The Rapture comes before what is commonly called the Great Tribulation by numerous Christians.

Well, it is nice to hear that my "older" brother agrees with most of my thoughts, but we disagree on the above. Although I will concede that there are numerous Christians who hold to that views.

Like Mike said to John, I won't hold that against you.

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News Item12/5/12 3:11 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Frank wrote:
...
Now I am a post-triber "pre-millennialist" and my guess is from the site you posted, you are not. So, I will simply end the discussion by saying the following. If the Lord tarries and you see the antichrist signing a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years and breaking it 3 1/2 years later, then you will know I was correct. I also enjoy hearing from those who are "young" in the faith like me; 32 and 39!...
Frank,
this is exactly what I believe:
1.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (and numerous other Scripture) refer to what is commonly called the Rapture by numerous Christians.

2. The Rapture comes before what is commonly called the Great Tribulation by numerous Christians.

3. The Great Tribulation precedes Christ's revelation to the world at His second coming thus the Rapture and Christ's revelation to the world are separate events.

4. Christ's revelation to the world will involve Him stopping the Great Tribulation as well as His judgment of the nations.

5. The millennium, a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on this planet, will occur after the points I mentioned in point 4.

I also believe there is a gap between part of Daniel 9:26 and 27, a gap of over 1,900 years, and that the two gaps you earlier referred to exist

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News Item12/5/12 2:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Frank, also according to the Book of Revelation, most of the Christians will be killed in that time period. The Prophetic Enemies of Israel will be in the lead which will end in the Tribulation.

The Martyr's Cry will be those people who come to Christ during the tribulations and martyred during that time.

It is really a pity that philo-semitism that once existed in England which even Charles Spurgeon was a part of, A Legacy of Shame: Luther and the Jews No longer exists there in the most part, and the abstention of such countries as Great Britain and Australia shows a sad deterioration for Israel. and Christian Zionists: The Real Terrorists -- no.

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News Item12/5/12 2:49 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
That's ok, bro. I for one won't hold that against you.
I say.....that's very generous of you bro.
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News Item12/5/12 2:21 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Dopey wrote:
John my dear "old pal", nearly took your "head clean off"? Dangerously "fascinating" perhaps.
Frank, sorry I posted so soon after your post I mistakenly thought that there was a lot more time between my post and the post before me.
Not a problem, besides John and Lurker have no argument to present, so you didn't interrupt anything. One says there are no gaps; the other says there are gaps, but they don't count.

Now I am a post-triber "pre-millennialist" and my guess is from the site you posted, you are not. So, I will simply end the discussion by saying the following. If the Lord tarries and you see the antichrist signing a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years and breaking it 3 1/2 years later, then you will know I was correct. I also enjoy hearing from those who are "young" in the faith like me; 32 and 39!

SteveR. Yes it is interesting. Although I am officially ending this discussion, what is your opinion on Daniel 9:27?

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News Item12/5/12 2:05 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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Besides which, I hold the a-millennial view of the future.
---
That's ok, bro. I for one won't hold that against you.
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News Item12/5/12 2:00 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
John UK wrote:
There is an answer to it which does not defy logic.
Lurker wrote:
Generally speaking, I believe gaps are excuses for faulty interpretations.
John wrote:
Correct bro!
Well brother as usual you, Lurker and I sort of agree. I agree that those who don't see gaps in scripture are excuses for using faulty interpretations. did I get that right.
Ha!

As for interpretation, I never take big liberties with God's word, preferring rather to leave it alone and wait for the eternal understanding.

Some folks though, God bless 'em, draw up great charts, with pictures and prophecies and texts, and have the entire history of the world planned down to the smallest detail. These charts may look impressive, but a lot of liberty has been taken in the making of them.

Besides which, I hold the a-millennial view of the future.

Dopey wrote:
John my dear "old pal", nearly took your "head clean off"? Dangerously "fascinating" perhaps.
Yes it would be fascinating to see my head fly off.
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News Item12/5/12 1:56 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
John UK wrote:
Breeze through it?
Nearly took my head clean off!
John my dear "old pal", nearly took your "head clean off"? Dangerously "fascinating" perhaps.

Frank, sorry I posted so soon after your post I mistakenly thought that there was a lot more time between my post and the post before me.

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News Item12/5/12 1:45 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Breeze through it?
Nearly took my head clean off!
John UK wrote:
There is an answer to it which does not defy logic.

Lurker wrote:
Generally speaking, I believe gaps are excuses for faulty interpretations.

John wrote:

Correct bro!

Well brother as usual you, Lurker and I sort of agree. I agree that those who don't see gaps in scripture are excuses for using faulty interpretations. did I get that right.

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News Item12/5/12 1:39 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
Brother, here is something that if you ever have time to read, you will find it fascinating. I don't know anything about the author, so I'm not recommending his theology in any way. There are others who have done the same study. It is a complicated read, but you and brother Lurker will breeze through it.
http://www.anchorcross.org/people/kuruvilla/essay_daniel9.shtml
Breeze through it?

Nearly took my head clean off!

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News Item12/5/12 12:46 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
Sure Frank, a couple of verses can be spread by thousands of years, even one verse:
Romans 8:30 KJV
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
But then, you do not get any mention of time in any of those three verses.
Brother, here is something that if you ever have time to read, you will find it fascinating. I don't know anything about the author, so I'm not recommending his theology in any way. There are others who have done the same study. It is a complicated read, but you and brother Lurker will breeze through it.

http://www.anchorcross.org/people/kuruvilla/essay_daniel9.shtml

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News Item12/5/12 12:28 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Frank wrote:
.....
What do you think?
Sure Frank, a couple of verses can be spread by thousands of years, even one verse:

Romans 8:30 KJV
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

But then, you do not get any mention of time in any of those three verses.

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News Item12/5/12 12:09 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
John UK wrote:
There is an answer to it which does not defy logic.

Correct bro!

[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. (Isa 9:6-7)

I would say there was a gap between verses 6 and 7 above?

[9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. [10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion [shall be] from sea [even] to sea, and from the river [even] to the ends of the earth. (Zec 9:9-10)

I would say there was a gap between verses 9 and 10 above?

What do you think?

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