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FRONT PAGE  |  10/18/2019
SUNDAY, NOV 25, 2012  |  13 comments
Post-Election Fight over the 'Evangelical' Brand
Election night did not go the way most evangelicals wanted. President Obama's reelection, losses by social conservative candidates in red states, and outcomes of four same-sex marriage ballot initiatives are all causing some evangelical leaders to reexamine what it means to be an "evangelical" in American politics.

Southern Baptist Theological Seminary president Al Mohler called the election a "catastrophe" and a "disaster" for evangelicals. Mohler told The New York Times that the "disaster" was more than the outcome—it was how social conservatives lost.

"It's not that our message—we think abortion is wrong, we think same-sex marriage is wrong—didn't get out. It did get out," Mohlersaid. "It's that the entire moral landscape has changed. An increasingly secularized America understands our positions, and has rejected them." ...


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News Item11/26/12 2:32 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, a KJV only would be all too many times, may be less Christian than an evangelical chruch [URL=http://moriel.org/MorielArchive/index.php/discernment/ruckmanism/the-truth-about-kjv-only-the-mormon-ecumenical-homosexual-and-neo-nazi-agendas]]]The Truth About KJV Only...Agendas[/URL].

IHCC is Christian not a cult in other words.

1 Corinthians 14:9
So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
1 Corintians 14:11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. ---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

The same verses by the way, the translators of the AV used to justify their putting the Bible into more modern--at the time--English

You should consider reading the preface to the AV for enlightenment, [URL=http://www.dbts.edu/journals/1996_2/Preface.pdf]]] The Preface to the King James Version And the King James Only position[/URL].

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News Item11/25/12 4:53 PM
not  Find all comments by not
Objection

A fundamentalist church would be KJV-only. NASB need not apply.

You and IHCC are evangelical.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
If memory serves, and mine gets more unruly with age, Gil Rugh wanted to get rid of the word "Evangelical," because it lost any serious meaning and to describe such churches as [URL=http://www.ihcc.org]]]Indian Hills Community Church[/URL] as "Fundamentalist" and drop the word, "Evangelical." I believe this sermon may express that viewpoint, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=727091322570]]]
Christ is the Only Sure Foundation[/URL] and...
from the summary for,[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=72707134548]]]Godly People Recognize God's Word[/URL] Also some people left comments appreciating this sermon.
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News Item11/25/12 4:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
If memory serves, and mine gets more unruly with age, Gil Rugh wanted to get rid of the word "Evangelical," because it lost any serious meaning and to describe such churches as [URL=http://www.ihcc.org]]]Indian Hills Community Church[/URL] as "Fundamentalist" and drop the word, "Evangelical." I believe this sermon may express that viewpoint, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=727091322570]]]
Christ is the Only Sure Foundation[/URL] and...

Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
God never tells the churches to set aside their differences and all get along. He never tells us to sort through the Scriptures and determine what are the 'majors' and what are the 'minors.' He never intends His Word to be edited nor adapted to the surrounding culture. He never makes allowances for each church, nor each individual, to have their own differing interpretations.
from the summary for,[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=72707134548]]]Godly People Recognize God's Word[/URL] Also some people left comments appreciating this sermon.
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News Item11/25/12 3:04 PM
waiter  Find all comments by waiter
"Southern Baptist Theological Seminary president Al Mohler called the election a "catastrophe" and a "disaster" for evangelicals."

Boo Hoo!! The church lost in a fallen world?

And you are surprised?

The age of apostasy is increasing rapidly all around us and you expect Christian values to be promoted in politics when the reprobates are multiplying?

Proverbs 29:16 When the wicked are multiplied, transgression increaseth: but the righteous shall see their fall.

Wait for it!!

Psalm 27:14 WAIT on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: WAIT, I say, on the LORD.

Psalm 33:20 Our soul WAITETH for the LORD: he is our help and our shield.

Psalm 37:7 Rest in the LORD, and WAIT patiently for him: FRET NOT thyself because of him who prospereth in his way, because of the man who bringeth wicked devices to pass.

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News Item11/25/12 11:01 AM
D.ral  Find all comments by D.ral
Christian stand up wrote:
Have you ever wondered why we Christians do what we do for church every Sunday morning? Why do we "dress up" for church? Why does the pastor preach a sermon each week? Why do we have pews, steeples, and choirs?
The shape architecture and historic culture of the bricks and mortar are irrelevant.

1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

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News Item11/25/12 10:43 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
pagan idols wrote:
What was Spurgeon's church building like?
[URL=http://www.metropolitantabernacle.org/]]]have a look[/URL]
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News Item11/25/12 10:17 AM
pagan idols  Find all comments by pagan idols
Christopher000 wrote:
That book sounds interesting.
What was Spurgeon's church building like?
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News Item11/25/12 10:12 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
what's the problem?

while a repbln was presidnt, we cheered on the patriot act, the taking over of airports the adventures around the world with hundreds of thousands of lives lost...

our politicians voted in NDAA, with the military now able, under the pres to, in uniform, arrest an American in their home and put them in a military prison indefintely without trial.

we were so afraid of terrorists that we traded out all the protections that we had from despots and terrorists.

and all the while, we said we trusted in God and we are prolife.

now that the other party is in power, they are using all the new powers that did not exist under the former republic, the new powers that we granted and blessed upon dc.

and now we are running scared that they may use these new powers.

how exactly are you going to combat the evil of abortion when you have just created a system that calls questioning policy "terrorism"?

the public wants an end to these wores, does everything they can to pretend they aren't happening, and the evangelicals just couldn't get their teeth off of their foreign adventures.

we have lost our moral footing, and our voice to this generation. we refuse to take up the harms to this generation, our pulpits are silent.

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News Item11/25/12 9:56 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
That book sounds interesting.
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News Item11/25/12 8:23 AM
Christian stand up  Find all comments by Christian stand up
"Pagan Christianity?: Exploring the Roots of Our Church Practices" by authors George Barna and Frank Viola

Have you ever wondered why we Christians do what we do for church every Sunday morning? Why do we "dress up" for church? Why does the pastor preach a sermon each week? Why do we have pews, steeples, and choirs? This ground-breaking book makes an unsettling proposal: most of what Christians do in present-day churches is rooted, not in the New Testament, but in pagan culture and rituals developed long after the death of the apostles. Coauthors Frank Viola and George Barna support their thesis with compelling historical evidence and extensive footnotes that document the origins of modern Christian church practices. In the process, the authors uncover the problems that emerge when the church functions more like a business organization than the living organism it was created to be. As you reconsider Christ's revolutionary plan for his church--to be the head of a fully functioning body in which all believers play an active role--you'll be challenged to decide whether you can ever do church the same way again.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1414364555?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links

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News Item11/25/12 8:06 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Reading through the commitments that BB posted up, I guess I am an Evangelical Baptist? I thought all Protestants were considered to be Evangelicals. I think it's about time I take a trip over to Wikipedia so I can sort through all of these labels. I still think all born again believers should be united under one roof and not be seperated over non fatal differences.
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News Item11/25/12 7:57 AM
bushel basket  Find all comments by bushel basket
The source to learn about the history and four pillars of the 'evangelical' brand is found [URL=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism#section_9]]]here[/URL]:

Evangelicalism is a Protestant Christian movement that began in the 17th century and became an organized movement with the emergence around 1730 of the Methodists in England and the Pietists among Lutherans in Germany and Scandinavia.

Evangelicalism de-emphasizes ritual and emphasizes the piety of the individual, requiring him or her to meet certain active commitments, including:

+ The need for personal conversion, or being "born again"
+ A high regard for biblical authority
+ An emphasis on teachings that proclaim the saving death and resurrection of the Son of God, Jesus Christ
+ Actively expressing and sharing the gospel

Today, evangelicals are often concerned with their own failure to live up to Christian standards in contrast to the world. Christianity Today author Mark Galli says "It's now pretty much agreed that the evangelical church mirrors the dysfunctions of secular society, from premarital sex stats to divorce rates to buying habits. Much to our dismay, we are hardly a light to the world, nor an icon of the abundant, transformed life."

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News Item11/25/12 7:22 AM
know ye not | USA  Find all comments by know ye not
Christ is our saviour not politics. Man always looks to the human to be his saviour. They woild never say it but they are Looking to man to get them out Of this moral mess.
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