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SUNDAY, NOV 25, 2012  |  9 comments
From Healthcare to Holocaust
It all started modestly enough. Hoping to stem the rising tide of socialism in the late 19th century, German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck decided to institute a welfare state, the theory being that finding a middle ground between laissez-faire capitalism and full-blown socialism would blunt the popularity of the latter without unduly interfering with the former. Bismarck convinced the Reichstag to create four programs: accident insurance, old-age pensions, disability insurance, and compulsory health insurance.

The health insurance bill, passed in 1883, provided for cash payments to those temporarily unable to work because of illness and in-kind benefits for their medical treatment. Employers paid one-third of the cost of the program; employees paid the rest. According to Wikipedia, ‚ÄúThe program was considered the least important [of the four] from Bismarck‚Äôs point of view.‚ÄĚ But as we shall see, it ...


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jpw  Find all comments by jpw
it would be wise to use essential oils on the sick, that would be what they need, restoration of the body, through restoring what is depleted, instead of splicing and nuking. the sick need prayer and physical help, sure thing.
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News Item11/26/12 3:49 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
It was prayer that was needed not the oil.
That's not what I see the verse as saying. The commentator assumes w/o evidence that the oil is ONLY part of a miraculous sign, even though he also admits that oil was considered a non-miraculous curative agent. Since anointing is grammatically conjoined with prayer, you cannot separate the two. If you pray over the sick, you must also anoint (or try some other physical remedy). Please supply evidence proving otherwise.
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News Item11/26/12 2:49 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, if you look at the context of the anointing, in these verses, James 5:14-16, as did Mr. Fausset of Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown commentary did. One can really imply the ill person called the elders. It was prayer that was needed not the oil.

The commentary for the above verses The General Epistle of James Commentary by A. R. FAUSSET CHAPTER 5 should be noted for it's healthy denial of Romish Church anointing as well.

I guess all I can say is stay tuned for when Gill's sermons are put up here the last two weeks of evening sermons covered this topic, thoroughly. Gil is always a good example of Principles of Bible Interpretation.

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News Item11/26/12 9:52 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
This article is a must read for anyone interested in what history has to teach about what can happen when health care is controlled by government.
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News Item11/25/12 8:22 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Not really, Neil, this can be for healing of sins,
Just because illness *may be* from sin does not mean that elders attend to sick people any less. So your commentator does not contradict me. And he was correct to point out that anointing oil was a common Near East healing agent; it's just called aromatherapy now. I infer an implicit principle that other, possibly more modern remedies are no less appropriate, where needed.

whoso wrote:
Ah Neil this is why one should not reply to rhetorical questions
If I knew it was rhetorical, I certainly wouldn't have answered it!
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News Item11/25/12 5:19 PM
whyso  Find all comments by whyso
Neil wrote:
When has there *not* been party politics? This is why one should study history: even monarchies & dictatorships have had factions, not too different from political parties
Ah Neil this is why one should not reply to rhetorical questions.

Perhaps the answer to your question is, "Before there were political parties."

Remember that monarchies and dictatorships were essentially monocratic with the ruler maintaining sympathising like minded coconspirators at his side. (Plus a few sycophants)

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News Item11/25/12 4:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Not really, Neil, this can be for healing of sins, please see The General Epistle of James Commentary by A. R. FAUSSET CHAPTER 5 what is pertinent to your comments are those remarks for verses 14, 15, and 16. I would suppose that Gil Rugh's sermon on those verses should be appearing on SermonAudio sometime this week.

Why do we have only several major parties, because the structure of American government is much more conducive for only a couple of to have power, unlike a parliamentary system.

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News Item11/25/12 3:41 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
whyso wrote:
Can anybody remember why we require party politics?
When has there *not* been party politics? This is why one should study history: even monarchies & dictatorships have had factions, not too different from political parties.

"When people are sick and cannot work, arrange through taxation to take care of their needs until they recover."

Rom. 13 does not teach that the magistrate wields the scalpel or the syringe, but only the sword. Healing is not his problem, but it may be for church elders, see Jas. 5:14.

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News Item11/25/12 2:35 PM
whyso  Find all comments by whyso
The concept is a simple one really. When people are sick and cannot work, arrange through taxation to take care of their needs until they recover.

Trouble is when politicians and party politics kicks in they screw it up.

We need good professional nation managers and politicians just don't fit the bill in any country.

Party politics simply destroy good management of the nations institutions and services.

Can anybody remember why we require party politics?

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