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SUNDAY, OCT 14, 2012  |  12 comments
The Christian Exodus From Egypt
Visit any Coptic church in the United States and you immediately recognize the newcomers. You see it in their eyes, hear it in their broken English, sense it in how they cling to the church in search of the familiar. They have come here escaping a place they used to call home, where their ancestors had lived for centuries.

Waves of Copts have come here from Egypt before, to escape Gamal Abdel Nasser's nationalizations or the growing Islamist tide. Their country's transformation wasn't sudden, but every year brought more public Islamization. As the veil spread, Coptic women felt increasingly different, alien and marked. Verbal abuse came from schoolteachers, bystanders in the bus station who noticed the cross on a wrist, or commentators on state television. ...


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News Item9/15/13 10:10 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
yes, New Jerusalem is a holy city that will come down from heaven, per the end of Revelations.

salvation is in Christ. Period.

we worship in Spirit and Truth.

Mosaic law cannot save anyone. It never did.

Salvation has a singular source, that is Christ.

Through His death and resurrection.

Its the New Jerusalem and that is in the new earth and that is with redeemed people.

Jews and Gentiles have one hope. That is Christ.

Our message comes not with the sword but the bible.

And literally speaking, Jesus did not say to worship him in "spirit and truth and in dispensations and in an old relic building in old relic land."

He said in Spirit and Truth.

no ands or buts.

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News Item9/15/13 3:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
jpw, thanks for coming back and looking at the article, apparently, Neil, just may have looked at this ref., [URL=http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=33411]]]Christian Zionists: The Real Terrorists[/URL] :-7 and realized that answered the quotation from him that you gave?

In any event we must worship Christ in truth and accuracy and that can only be done be realizing there are [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5504173329]]]Dispensations[/URL] (a very short sermon!)

Of course we won't be worshiping at the Old Jerusalem!

Revelation 21
2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He shall dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be among them,
4 and He shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there shall no longer be any death; there shall no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away."---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

Not only do we reject relics and statues of the papal religions, but also their allegory. The above verses are to be taken literall

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News Item9/15/13 9:54 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Neil wrote:
Jim, this article is about Egypt. And oil isn't the only issue; Progressive imperialism & domestic Zionist/Dispy religious fanaticism have also played a part. Until America stuck its nose into the Mideast in 1973 & at Camp David, nominal Christians there had an easier time of it because they were not identified with American foreign policy.
Jim, its good that you brought back this thread.... and yes, Christians worship Christ in Spirit and Truth. We leave worshipping relics to other religions, right?
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News Item9/15/13 5:54 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Don't take verses out of context, Jpw.

A very interesting piece on the Copts

[URL=http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2013/09/15/3848945.htm]]]The Coptic Church in peril: TheIslamization of Egypt and the end of Egyptian Christianity[/URL]

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News Item10/15/12 2:48 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Jim, what do you think of the scripture that one day and even today they will worship Christ not in the temple or Jerusalem but in Spirit and truth?

which one is it that you serve?

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News Item10/15/12 2:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, actually when ever I can say something accurate and bad about Baby Bush, I'm going to do, so get use to it.
---But---

What happens in Egypt is relevant to the moronic ideas of Bush, is that just by having democracy in a country, everything is sweetness and light. Unfortunately Presidents think they have to follow the foreign policies of the Presidents before them, no matter how stupid they are:

Barry Rubin wrote:
the Obama administration responds with a democracy- will-solve-everything approach which the same people ridiculed when President George W. Bush advocated it.
excerpt from, [URL=http://m.jpost.com/HomePage/FrontPage/Article.aspx?id=65287805&cat=1&url=http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?ID=287805&R=R1]]]The Region: Empowering the Middle East’s radicals[/URL] Baby B., set a strong stupid precedent in foreign policy. Now, Neil of course we should be interested in Israel! Even if you might think, [URL=http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=79528503-9F7D-464F-8908-76AC19903A11]]]Christian Zionists: The Real Terrorists[/URL].

SteveR., all non-Muslims need our attention when they are under the thumb of [URL=http://thereligionofpeace.com/]]]Islam: The Religion of Peace[/URL

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News Item10/15/12 10:46 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Prayers are needed for more of our persecuted brethren in the nearby region

(Israelnatlnews) 10/15 "Firouz Khandjani, a council member of the 'Church of Iran' house church movement, told the Christian BosNewsLife website, "We have learned that at least 100, but perhaps as many as 400 people, have been detained over the last 10 days.”

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News Item10/14/12 10:45 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I doubt if either President Truman or Stalin were dispensationalists when they recognized the new nation Israel.
As usual, you bring up irrelevant points all over the place. There was no widespread Arab hostility towards the US until after the Yom Kippur war in 1973. Recognition wasn't the issue, that was 1948. The Crusades aren't the issue, either – Copts managed to survive for centuries in Islamic Egypt since then. It was solely Operation Nickel Glass & the implied alliance with the US that provoked the Oil Embargo & all the rest.

I don't care whether Israel belongs to the Jews; that is their concern, not America's. And again you spout your usual hearsay about a Bush oil conspiracy; the most I would admit here is the petrodollar deal with the Saudis, which all Presidents since Nixon have maintained. That racket (forcing other countries to buy US securities, instead of making payment in their currencies directly) has been vital in financing the American Keynesian welfare state, which you want.

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News Item10/14/12 8:59 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Whatever happened to the worshipping not at the temple or Jerusalem but in Spirit and truth as taught to the Samaritan woman at the well?
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News Item10/14/12 4:34 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, Neil, we dispys q.v., [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5504173329]]]Dispensations[/URL] Didn't have that much too do with it. I'm surprised you didn't blame the Crusades also, [URL=http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/crusades_timeline.htm]]]Timeline of the Islamic Crusades--The Truth about Islamic Imperialism[/URL]. By the way, the article about [URL=http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1011/glick101111.php3?printer_friendly]]]The forgotten Christians of the East[/URL] had a lot to do with Egypt, so peruse that one, at least.

It is somewhat amusing that you support the liberal view of Israel, rather anti I would say, and the Koran itself says that Israel belongs to the Jews, [URL=http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Controls/SendFriend.ashx?print=1&type=10&item=178020]]]Zionist Imam: Koran Says Israel Belongs to Jews[/URL]

If Presidents are going to run around the Middle East to say, let's protect their oil interests, then following American principles they should demand acceptable behavior to people they "free." Even if they don't want too.

I doubt if either President Truman or Stalin were dispensationalists when they recognized the new nation Israel.

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News Item10/14/12 3:56 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim Lincoln wrote:
What is surprising. G.W. Bush's oil war caused many Iraqi nominal Christians to flee that country.
Jim, this article is about Egypt. And oil isn't the only issue; Progressive imperialism & domestic Zionist/Dispy religious fanaticism have also played a part. Until America stuck its nose into the Mideast in 1973 & at Camp David, nominal Christians there had an easier time of it because they were not identified with American foreign policy.
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News Item10/14/12 3:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
What is surprising. G.W. Bush's oil war caused many Iraqi nominal Christians to flee that country. He didn't defend freedom of religion in that country. This just made it a war to protect oil interests. [URL=http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1210/iraqs_war_on_christians.php3?printer_friendly]]]Iraq's war on Christians[/URL].

Not only nominal Christians, Christians, [URL=http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1011/glick101111.php3?printer_friendly]]]The forgotten Christians of the East[/URL] need their religious rights protected, but that goes for other religions in the region as well.

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