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FRONT PAGE  |  11/20/2017
WEDNESDAY, AUG 1, 2012  |  27 comments  |  2 commentaries
Pastor of Hammond mega church fired for ‘sin’

The pastor of a fundamentalist mega church in Northwest Indiana has been dismissed because of a “sin” that’s being investigated by Lake County (Ind.) sheriff’s police.

Jack Schaap, 54, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Hammond since 2001, was fired by a deacon board, said Eddie Wilson, director of public relations for the church.

Wilson said Schaap was in seclusion with his wife, Cindy, daughter of Jack Hyles, the pastor who built the First Baptist Church and co-founded Hyles-Anderson College in Schererville.

“They’re trying to reconcile their marriage,” Wilson said. “The church will move on and begin the process of calling a new pastor.” ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item8/8/12 2:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
EP, so very correct, and yes, Mr Schaap, really wrote some excellent things, e.g.,
Jack Schaap wrote:
For one to believe that God inspired the King James Version of the Bible, he would be espousing Catholic or charsmatic theology. Both groups theologically believe that God can and does still "speak" today, either though the papal office "ex cathedra," or by way of a "a word of knowledge," supposedly used to more perfectly and accurately pronounce and define God's will for man. Kindly put, that theological position is heresy to those of us who believe that the Words of Scripture were ended with the completion of John's finished manuscript of The revelation approximately 95-100 A.D.
excerpt from his book, "Where are We Going?"

This is as right as you can get, but why wasn't it communicated to his congregation, too much Red Hot Preaching which avoided a reasoned comment as the above? As I said he didn't practice what he wrote. Christians in the Hammond area should check out, Christian Fellowship Church to get preaching that follows the Bible.

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News Item8/7/12 5:03 PM
Eiffel Power  Find all comments by Eiffel Power
Cezar wrote:
This is the guy they chose right after Brother Hyles.
They? But to all appearances Hyles was instrumental in selecting and grooming his OWN son-in-law to take over the family business. Perhaps they were more alike than you realise?
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News Item8/7/12 4:10 PM
Cezar | Midwest  Find all comments by Cezar
This is the guy they chose right after Brother Hyles. He was a wolf in sheep's clothing from the beginning. He attacked the KJV and everything Brother Hyles would have done, Schaap did the opposite. Took long enough to get him out.

Youtube has many clips of him attacking the KJV and many other things.

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News Item8/6/12 2:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
dragonzwing14 and others who have reached a spiritual maturity, and don't want vacuous Red Hot Preaching, and you are in the Chicago/Hammond area, check out, Christian Fellowship Church.
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News Item8/6/12 2:40 PM
dragonzwing14  Contact via emailFind all comments by dragonzwing14
[QUOTE]Dr. Jack Schaap, Like Any Man Accused in Any Matter, Is To Be LAWFULLY "Presumed Innocent Until proven Guilty (in a court of LAW)![/QUOTE]He CONFESSED?????? If he admits he's guilty, we still can't call him guilty? I'm sorry -- I thought his own PERSONAL confession was enough!

You really need to read some of these books:

"Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, The: Recognizing and Escaping Spiritual Manipulation and False Spiritual Authority Within the Church"
David Johnson & Jeff VanVonderen (Authors)

"Toxic Churches: Restoration from Spiritual Abuse" by Marc Dupont (Feb 1, 2004)

"Why Good People Do Bad Things: Understanding Our Darker Selves" by James Hollis (Apr 17, 2008)

"Soul Repair: Rebuilding Your Spiritual Life" by Jeff VanVonderen, Dale Ryan and Juanita Ryan (Sep 4, 2008)

"Recovery from Cults: Help for Victims of Psychological and Spiritual Abuse" by Michael D. Langone (Jun 17, 1995)

These books I recommend, and I WAS a former IFB member but when scandal broke out in our church, many wise people said, "Wait a minute -- this ain't right!"

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News Item8/6/12 1:55 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Tony Cisneros always has a problem with his apparent sympathy to, Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists.

Like all too many mega-church preachers or televangelists, Mr. Schaap, is guilty of adultery,

Romans 2
22 You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God?---NASB

We do hope that Jack cleans up his act, and becomes a practicing Christian, though first he should understand what a Christian is.

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News Item8/6/12 12:46 PM
dragonzwing14  Contact via emailFind all comments by dragonzwing14
"Jewsuit"-Press: He confessed! This isn't a cover up or a scandal to "out a pastor" -- he CONFESSED!
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News Item8/5/12 10:52 AM
trela nam PAC  Find all comments by trela nam PAC
Tony Lopez Cisneros Taking A Public Stand wrote:
Too Much Like A "JE[W]SUIT" 'Set-Up' As Reported By Former High-Ranking "JESUIT"-Priest ALBERTO RIVERA In
The 1970s-80s:
"
Alberto Rivera
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News Item8/5/12 6:33 AM
Taking A Public Stand  Find all comments by Taking A Public Stand
As Reported By The "JEWSUIT"-PRESS:

They Say A Deacon "Accidently" Found Br. Schaap's Cell-Phone On The Pulpit; And, As The Deacon Was Returning The Phone To The Pastor, That "Suddenly" A Text-Message Appeared On The Phone With A "Picture" Of The Pastor &
A Young Woman "Making-Out".

If That Story Is To Be Believed:

#1.WHO TOOK THE SO-CALLED "PICTURE" OF THE PASTOR & YOUNG WOMAN "MAKING-OUT" ?

#2.SHOULDN'T THERE'VE BEEN A THIRD PERSON INVOLVED:
THE PASTOR [1], THE WOMAN [2] & THE "PICTURE"-TAKER [3] ?

This ALL Sounds Too Much Like A "JE[W]SUIT" 'Set-Up' As Reported By Former High-Ranking "JESUIT"-Priest ALBERTO RIVERA In
The 1970s-80s:

"While The Baptist Pastor Was Getting Me Into The Interdenominational Seminary, We Started A Rumor That He (The Pastor) Was Having An Affair With An 18 Year Old Girl.
She Was A (Roman) Catholic Plant. She Told The Deacons Who Opposed The Pastor That She Wanted To Confess She And The Pastor Had An Affair.
The Pastor Was Innocent. His Wife Divorced Him, The Church Was Destroyed, And I Moved On To My Next Assignment."

*THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT BR. SCHAAP TOOK THE BAIT & FELL INTO SIN !

"jyurich": Their Little Luciferian "Leaven" Lies Have "LEAVENED" THE WHOLE SATANIC VATICAN'S ROMAN-"CATHOLIC" CULTIC "LUMP" !

REPENT !

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News Item8/5/12 5:29 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Taking A Public Stando you have some kind of mental problems? Why do you have so much hatred in your heart toward the Catholic Church? Start behaving more like Jesus did. Jesus did not hate anybody. Sure Jesus preached against the false teachers but He did not hate the false teachers. It is perfectly ok to preach against the unscriptural doctrines of the Catholic Church. I do that. But there are scriptural doctrines in the Catholic Church also. The entire Catholic Church is not unscriptural.
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News Item8/5/12 2:02 AM
Taking A Public Stand  Find all comments by Taking A Public Stand
Two (2) Questions For Y'ALL Who Believe The "JEWSUIT"-PRESS As GOSPEL-TRUTH (& HATE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH & NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH):

As Reported By The "JEWSUIT"-PRESS: They Say A Deacon "Accidently" Found Br. Schaap's Cell-Phone On The Pulpit; And, As The Deacon Was Returning The Phone To The Pastor, That "Suddenly" A Text-Message Appeared On The Phone With A "Picture" Of The Pastor &
A Young Woman "Making-Out".

If That Story Is To Be Believed:

#1.WHO TOOK THE SO-CALLED "PICTURE" OF THE PASTOR & YOUNG WOMAN "MAKING-OUT" ?

#2.SHOULDN'T THERE'VE BEEN A THIRD PERSON INVOLVED:
THE PASTOR [1], THE WOMAN [2] & THE "PICTURE"-TAKER [3] ?

This ALL Sounds Too Much Like A "JE[W]SUIT" 'Set-Up' As Reported By Former High-Ranking "JESUIT"-Priest ALBERTO RIVERA In
The 1970s-80s:

"While The Baptist Pastor Was Getting Me Into The Interdenominational Seminary, We Started A Rumor That He (The Pastor) Was Having An Affair With An 18 Year Old Girl.

She Was A (Roman) Catholic Plant. She Told The Deacons Who Opposed The Pastor That She Wanted To Confess She And The Pastor Had An Affair.

The Pastor Was Innocent. His Wife Divorced Him, The Church Was Destroyed, And I Moved On To My Next Assignment."

*THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT BR. SCHAAP TOOK THE BAIT & FELL INTO SIN !

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News Item8/4/12 1:38 AM
Taking A Public Stand  Find all comments by Taking A Public Stand
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News Item8/3/12 1:53 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Rufus:
Jack Schaap wrote:
When it comes to marriage, I want to live by the rules. As a marriage counselors, I'm weary of couples wo come asking me to make exceptions to the rules because they just don't see it the same way God does. .. Nobody has a right to decide if they are an exception to the rule. Decide to be a person who lives by the rules.
excerpt from, Ind. megachurch pastor fired over 'a sin' with teenage girl. He actually wrote some good things, as the earlier quotation, but he just didn't practice them!

Apparently there is too much Red Hot Preaching associated with this particular church/school. For those who are ready for a more mature faith, i.e.,

1 Corinthians 13
11 When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.---NASB

I would suggest you check out Christian Fellowship Church.

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News Item8/3/12 1:39 PM
Counter  Find all comments by Counter
Taking A Public Stand wrote:
Dr. Jack Schaap, Like Any Man Accused In Any Matter, Is To Be LAWFULLY "Presumed Innocent Until Proven Guilty (In A Court Of LAW) !
So, Y'ALL Better SHUT UP, As Y'ALL Will Stand Before A TOTALLY WHOLLY HOLY GOD (THE LORD JESUS CHRIST) AND GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF EVERY WORD, DEED, ACTION &-OR THOUGHT THAT Y'ALL EVER COMMITTED !
Wise words from the forum's resident slanderer.
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News Item8/3/12 12:34 AM
what it doesn't mean  Find all comments by what it doesn't mean
Taking A Public Stand wrote:
Br. Schaap, In My Opinion, Is To Be "PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY":
This is how Br. Schaap was interpreting the Bible in 2005:

"In the next verse, David gets more graphic. "I have stuck* unto thy testimonies: O LORD, put me not to shame." that word stuck means "the act of a man entering his wife"; it is sexual intercourse. God says that the Word of God should be the Christians lover, and nothing should be closer to him than the Bible. The Words of God are supposed to be the most intimate lover of his life."
-Marriage: The Divine Intimacy, Hyles Publications 2005, p 44.

*Original Word: דָּבַק (lit. clung)

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News Item8/2/12 7:04 PM
Taking A Public Stand  Find all comments by Taking A Public Stand
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News Item8/2/12 6:30 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I would say Mr. Schaap left on his own free will, and it appears that he did the right thing, one would have hoped he was heading down a better path when pointed out,
"For one to believe that God inspired the King James Version of the Bible, he would be espousing Catholic or charsmatic theology. Both groups theologically believe that God can and does still "speak" today, either though the papal office "ex cathedra," or by way of a "a word of knowledge," supposedly used to more perfectly and accurately pronounce and define God's will for man. Kindly put, that theological position is heresy to those of us who believe that the Words of Scripture were ended with the completion of John's finished manuscript of The revelation approximately 95-100 A.D." ---Jack Schaap from his book, --- Where are We Going?
...
More than one wrong path has he chosen, you have perhaps highlighted the most significant.
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News Item8/2/12 5:33 PM
Taking A Public Stand  Find all comments by Taking A Public Stand
"Nicodemus Saith Unto Them, (He That Came To JESUS By Night, Being One Of Them (The Council Or 'Sanhedrin' [Read: ANY U.S. Court],)

DOTH OUR LAW JUDGE ANY MAN, BEFORE IT HEAR HIM, AND KNOW WHAT HE DOETH ?" JOHN 7:50-51

Br. Schaap, In My Opinion, Is To Be "PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY":

FOR THIS IS THE LAW OF THE LAND OF THE FREE & THE HOME OF THE BRAVE !

*THE TRUE GOSPEL IS FOUND IN THE TRUE HOLY BIBLE; NOT IN ANY RELIGION &-OR CULT: ESPECIALLY
THE ROMAN-"CATHOLIC" CULT !

Now As To Br. Schaap's " 'Confessed' Sin"...

LISTEN UP YOU 'HOLIER-THAN-THOU' NASB-Per-Version Quoters:

Dr. Jack Schaap, Like Any Man Accused In Any Matter, Is To Be LAWFULLY "Presumed Innocent Until Proven Guilty (In A Court Of LAW) !

So, Y'ALL Better SHUT UP, As Y'ALL Will Stand Before A TOTALLY WHOLLY HOLY GOD (THE LORD JESUS CHRIST) AND GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF EVERY WORD, DEED, ACTION &-OR THOUGHT THAT Y'ALL EVER COMMITTED !

That Being Said, I Have The Following To Say To Br. Schaap:

Br. Schaap, I'm Praying For You !

BR. SCHAAP, WILL YOU PRAY FOR ME TOO ?

"For We Must ALL Appear Before The Judgement Seat Of CHRIST; That Every One May Receive The Things Done In His Body, Whether It Be Good Or Bad." 2 Cor. 5:10

*AMEN ! WE [FBC] DO HAVE A NEW PASTOR: BR. EDDY LAPINA !

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News Item8/2/12 1:54 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I would say Mr. Schaap left on his own free will, and it appears that he did the right thing, one would have hoped he was heading down a better path when pointed out,

"For one to believe that God inspired the King James Version of the Bible, he would be espousing Catholic or charsmatic theology. Both groups theologically believe that God can and does still "speak" today, either though the papal office "ex cathedra," or by way of a "a word of knowledge," supposedly used to more perfectly and accurately pronounce and define God's will for man. Kindly put, that theological position is heresy to those of us who believe that the Words of Scripture were ended with the completion of John's finished manuscript of The revelation approximately 95-100 A.D." ---Jack Schaap from his book, --- Where are We Going?

But he seems to have some problems in the family and one has to remember the requirement of an elder - pastor

Titus 1
7 For the overseer must be above reproach as God's steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain,
8 but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled,---NASB

Christian Fellowship Church

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