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FRONT PAGE  |  2/17/2020
MONDAY, APR 2, 2012  |  6 comments
Email and web use 'to be monitored' under new laws

The government will be able to monitor the calls, emails, texts and website visits of everyone in the UK under new legislation set to be announced soon.

Internet firms will be required to give intelligence agency GCHQ access to communications on demand, in real time.

The Home Office says the move is key to tackling crime and terrorism, but civil liberties groups have criticised it.

Tory MP David Davis called it "an unnecessary extension of the ability of the state to snoop on ordinary people". ...


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News Item4/3/12 10:14 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Cheltenham wrote:
Of course not!
If investigators did not assume the possibility of guilt in an investigation they would not get anywhere. How do you think police work is done?
---

But you will find that in every case that is brought the prosecution believes completely in the guilt of the accused

Monitoring the email of everyone then, is merely investigators assuming the possibility of guilt in everyone, according to this view. Police work is based on investigation of crime, based on evidence, not tossing everyone guilty or innocent, into the same pot in the hope that a bad guy will float to the top.

As for prosecutors believing in the guilt of the accused, that isn't always the case, anymore than the defense always believes in his innocence. Sometimes it's about winning the case.

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News Item4/2/12 11:55 PM
Cheltenham  Find all comments by Cheltenham
Mike wrote:
Aren't there laws against the idea of guilty until proven innocent?
Of course not!

If investigators did not assume the possibility of guilt in an investigation they would not get anywhere. How do you think police work is done?

The legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty applies to legal process in a court of law only.
But you will find that in every case that is brought the prosecution believes completely in the guilt of the accused.

This news story deals with investigative powers not legal process in a court of law.

Don't forget

Mike wrote:
Are you for real? The burden is on the accuser to show probable cause.
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News Item4/2/12 5:04 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Aren't there laws against the idea of guilty until proven innocent? Will there be protests in the street, or is that only when benefits are being cut?

Tory MP David Davis called it "an unnecessary extension of the ability of the state to snoop on ordinary people". ...

I have to say, that is pablum. Where's the fire?

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News Item4/2/12 2:22 PM
Dirk Yoder  Find all comments by Dirk Yoder
"The Home Office says the move is key to tackling crime and terrorism..."

So one extremist group of religious terrorists wants to tackle another?

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News Item4/2/12 2:20 PM
Cliff Leckey | N. Ireland  Find all comments by Cliff Leckey
The conservative party when in opposition resisted the same labour plan but when in "power/office" a whole new story.
If I may say, I wouldn`t believe a word any of them spoke, even if it were sworn on a stack of Bibles.
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News Item4/2/12 10:41 AM
ele3  Find all comments by ele3
"But it would enable intelligence officers to identify who an individual or group is in contact with, how often and for how long. They would also be able to see which websites someone had visited."

This means they will be watching us posting on SermonAudio.

This Big Brother bureaucracy will be the precursor to monitoring quote "homophobic" u/q statements by Christians.

"Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

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