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THURSDAY, DEC 29, 2011  |  437 comments
Mormon Romney struggles to win over Christians

He's had one marriage, five kids, no hint of personal or financial scandal, a position of responsibility in his church, and he doesn't drink, smoke or chew. By some standards, Republican Mitt Romney, a Mormon, and Christian conservative voters in Iowa are right on the same page.

But no candidate has had a harder slog with the evangelical Christians who make up the majority of Iowa caucusgoers. In 2008, they rejected Romney, who had campaigned heavily in the state, in favor of fellow-evangelical Mike Huckabee. This year, Iowa Republicans have again embraced anyone and everyone but Romney. ...


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News Item1/21/12 8:04 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Presby wrote:
Wrong again.
Baptism and circumcision are BOTH sign and seal of the Covenant. THAT connection is borne out in Colossions where two verses together illustrate this...
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." ...
How so? Prove it from the verses! Just because you impose that idea onto the verses does not make your claim true. The best you can say is that the 2 are mentioned in the verses. You cannot point to an exact identity of the 2 let alone prove your hypothesis about their being signs and seals of the covenant of grace!

Can you point to any NT text that actually makes your case?

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News Item1/21/12 3:16 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Tony Cisneros' more anti-Semitic comments apparently were removed. One has to remember that he does support the ideas of, [URL=http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/crj0002b.txt]]]Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists[/URL].

It does give me just yet another opportunity for people who want to avoid the likes of Tony Cisneros and friends in the Chicago/Hammond area– where I find it strange, that his minister a supposed Baptist preaches material such as this? [URL=http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/schaap/fbcprosd.htm]]]Jack Schaap--Teaches Prosperity Doctrine![/URL] – when they go to church, this Sunday to try out, [URL=http://cfc-church.net/]]]Christian Fellowship Church[/URL]

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News Item1/20/12 11:53 PM
Zoolander  Find all comments by Zoolander
Street-Preacher wrote:
**"JEWSUITICS": STAY ON SUBJECT !**
ROMNEY: 33*-MASON !
Stop shouting you Baboon and grow up!

Why do the Mods on these forums let this person SHOUT ALL THE TIME, and how does he do it anyway?

PLEEEEEAAAASE somebody silence this mad man.

435

News Item1/20/12 9:04 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
[Removed by Moderator Alpha]
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News Item1/20/12 6:55 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
Only a Presby would come out with something as silly as this.
Christians are to judge in doctrinal matters. Only difference is that Baptists allow others, for the sake of conscience, to believe as they like, whereas Presbys would force people to believe the same thing under threat of death by the civil sword! Now that's not very loving is it?
This is why Baptists major in the Bible, because we try and persuade (like the apostle Paul) whereas Presbys dont care to persuade. They just want forced doctrinal uniformity!
Correct.

Presby thinks we have a beam and he only has a mote. How did he arrive at that conclusion?

Spiritual pride and vanity and haughtiness envelopes the whole Presbyterian system, and their persecution knows no bounds. It is indeed a good job that, like the Catholics, all their persecuting power has been diffused.

Presby, I recommend you ask the Lord himself what HE thinks of your ridiculous posting, accusations, and misrepresentations. If you have a biblical argument, put it up, and let's discuss it. But all this avoidance posting is getting tiring.

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News Item1/20/12 5:07 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Presby wrote:
I suppose you two are an example of the type of Christian brotherly love available from the Baptist denomination.
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
May God be with you!
Only a Presby would come out with something as silly as this.

Christians are to judge in doctrinal matters. Only difference is that Baptists allow others, for the sake of conscience, to believe as they like, whereas Presbys would force people to believe the same thing under threat of death by the civil sword! Now that's not very loving is it?

This is why Baptists major in the Bible, because we try and persuade (like the apostle Paul) whereas Presbys dont care to persuade. They just want forced doctrinal uniformity!

432

News Item1/20/12 2:32 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Tony Cisneros, what happened? Neither party in Chicago would allow you to run under their banner for the House? I wonder why? it could be because you rant so much?

You know, that that George Washington was a high-ranking Freemason? Many of our great leaders were Masons. In your I would suppose unintentionally, humorous, YouTube –[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b8-vhcMMlE]]]THE COMMONER'S CORNER: Texe Marrs Has Compromised Himself With An Open Racist ![/URL]– I believe you only mentioned those "dastardly," Freemasons.

I assume of course that Texe Marrs is now a hero of yours, since you use his ranting techniques.

Dr. James White wrote:
Some people don't seem to mind looking silly. Comics will often employ absurdity as an agent of humor in their routines. But when a person claims to be a minister of the gospel, and yet engages in the most egregiously ridiculous thinking and arguing, something is seriously wrong.
introductory paragraph to,[URL=http://vintage.aomin.org/Marrs.html]]]Texe Marrs Demonstrates Yet Once Again That Facts and Logic Mean Nothing When A Conspiracy Is At Stake[/URL].
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News Item1/20/12 12:51 PM
Presby  Find all comments by Presby
Observer wrote:
John, even if Presby had an answer, would you trust it, seeing his knowledge of the scriptures and history is woefully inadequate?
His answer that the Presby church had researched matters brought a smile to my face. Isnt that what the RCC says?
Since he posted a quote from Scotty Clark, I googled him and have been reading more from him. All I have to say is And he's a Presby Prof?
I suppose you two are an example of the type of Christian brotherly love available from the Baptist denomination.

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

May God be with you!

430

News Item1/19/12 8:00 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
STAY ON SUBJECT !

ROMNEY: A 33*-MASON !

RON PAUL: A MASON-BAPHOMET-LUSTING SATANIC STOOGE !

OBAMA: A 33*-MASON !

#1-There's Only ONE TRUE "ONE-&-ONLY HOLY-BIBLE-ONLY CATHOLIC, UNIVERSAL & APOSTOLIC CHURCH OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH IN ISREAL":
& IT'S NOT SATANIC+VATICANIST ROMAN-"CATHOLICISM";
AS THE SATANIC+VATICAN "JE[W]SUITS" WOULD HAVE YOU THINK !

#2-SATANIC+VATICANIST "MORMONISM"; WHICH IS ONE OF THE MANY "RELIGIOUS"-HARLOTS, "ECCLESIATICAL"-PROSTITUTES & "SPIRITUAL"-WHORES OF "MYSTERY (MAGISTERIUM) BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER ("CHURCH") OF HARLOTS & ABOMINATIONS OF EARTH" IS BY NO MEANS A TRUE CHURCH OF THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED-BIBLICAL LORD JESUS CHRIST !

#3-THOSE WHO ADMIT, ASSENT, CONFESS, CONCLUDE, SAY & OTHERWISE AVOW THAT SATANIC+VATICANISM OR
ROMAN-"CATHOLICISM" IS TRUE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED+BIBLICAL+LITERALIST
HOLY-BIBLE-ONLY CATHOLICISM; ARE ONE STEP CLOSER TO THE ILLUMINATI'S RELIGIOUS-NEW-WORLD-ORDER !

ALL U.S. PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES ARE "JEWSUIT"-STOOGES WHO'LL BRING BACK THE DARK-AGES VIA THE
SATANIC+VATICAN & ROTHCHILD-BANKSTERS !

"YOUR GOLD AND SILVER IS CANKERED; AND THE RUST OF THEM SHALL BE A WITNESS AGAINST YOU, AND SHALL EAT YOUR FLESH AS IT WERE FIRE. YE HAVE HEAPED TREASURE TOGETHER FOR THE LAST DAYS." JAMES 5:3 !

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News Item1/19/12 7:51 PM
T of C  Find all comments by T of C
Huh wrote:
Wots ur point?
I thought it rather evident you don't actually need a point to post here. I waded through Neil's link and having read other things on various uses of the word baptism in the Greek and Old Testtament washings, the two texts quoted came to mind, related to Christ's words to Peter. I don' t believe he was saying they all had clean feet except for one. It was a spring board for further meditation on John 13. That's where I'm finishing my evening meditations, I find that more profitable then the endless little faces. I prefer God's word to my own thougts on he matter and the Spirit's use of John Hutcheson work on the Gospel of John, to my best reasonings alone. Huh?
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News Item1/19/12 7:03 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Observer wrote:
John, even if Presby had an answer, would you trust it, seeing his knowledge of the scriptures and history is woefully inadequate?
His answer that the Presby church had researched matters brought a smile to my face. Isnt that what the RCC says?
Since he posted a quote from Scotty Clark, I googled him and have been reading more from him. All I have to say is And he's a Presby Prof?
Hello bro. My answers are:
1. No.
2. Yes.
3. Scotty Clark is abnormal.

Or should I say that he must be subject to bouts of heterodoxy, making him a Proxy-Hetero-Doxy-Scotty.

No offense meant, though.

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News Item1/19/12 6:54 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
John UK wrote:
Hey Presby
It's 32 hours since I asked you a question. I realise you've got about forty questions you've yet to answer, but mine is a relatively easy one. Or is it that you're having difficulty with it?
Here it be:
"Now if you believe me to have pitched my tent in the arminist camp, what do you suggest I do about that?"
Any ideas yet?
John, even if Presby had an answer, would you trust it, seeing his knowledge of the scriptures and history is woefully inadequate?

His answer that the Presby church had researched matters brought a smile to my face. Isnt that what the RCC says?

Since he posted a quote from Scotty Clark, I googled him and have been reading more from him. All I have to say is And he's a Presby Prof?

426

News Item1/19/12 6:35 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
if republicans are going to vote for a globalist, they need to go to no more victims dot org ...watch the video of the children who get maimed and then come here for surgery-- how insane is that?

after they watch the video, and do more rationalizing or replaying fear prop, then they should donate money, since their own politics are creating this mess.

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News Item1/19/12 6:20 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Hey Presby

It's 32 hours since I asked you a question. I realise you've got about forty questions you've yet to answer, but mine is a relatively easy one. Or is it that you're having difficulty with it?

Here it be:
"Now if you believe me to have pitched my tent in the arminist camp, what do you suggest I do about that?"

Any ideas yet?

424

News Item1/19/12 6:19 PM
Huh  Find all comments by Huh
T of C wrote:
John 13:5 After that he poured water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. Then he cometh unto Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord,dost thou wash my feet?...8b Jesus answered, if I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me....9b Lord, not my feet only but my hands and my head.
10 Jesus saith unto him, he that is washed needeth not but to wash his feet, but is clean every whit,and ye are clean but not all.
Hebrews 6:1b not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptism(s), and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead and of eternal judgment.
In both cases the origin words were addressed to Jewish believers in Christ.
Wots ur point?
423

News Item1/19/12 2:24 PM
Presby  Find all comments by Presby
Mike wrote:
I doubt "Exegesist" is Presby. Unless he changed his fingerprints.
Nuh Mike, you're right.
Anyway I know how to spell "exegesis" or "exegetist"
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News Item1/19/12 12:58 PM
T of C  Find all comments by T of C
John 13:5 After that he poured water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. Then he cometh unto Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord,dost thou wash my feet?...8b Jesus answered, if I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me....9b Lord, not my feet only but my hands and my head.
10 Jesus saith unto him, he that is washed needeth not but to wash his feet, but is clean every whit,and ye are clean but not all.

Hebrews 6:1b not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptism(s), and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead and of eternal judgment.

In both cases the origin words were addressed to Jewish believers in Christ.

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News Item1/19/12 12:18 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
For more study re Jewish baptism customs, which were not merely for uncleanness, but also proselytes: [URL=http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0014_0_13881.html]]]Mikveh[/URL]

While I caution that this is extra-Biblical & therefore not definitive, it does give plausibility to the idea that immersion was nothing new for Jewish Christians or even John's disciples. Note also that only pure water (untainted by oils) was acceptable.

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News Item1/18/12 7:51 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Observer wrote:
---
So where has he interpreted metaphorically and fluidly?
And Presby, why don't you stick with one moniker?
I doubt "Exegesist" is Presby. Unless he changed his fingerprints.
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News Item1/18/12 6:12 PM
Observer  Find all comments by Observer
Exegesist wrote:
You interpret Baptism in a wooden literalistic way until you get to "for the remission of sins" and then you change your tune and interpret these passages metaphorically and fluidly. Who advised you to use completely different interpretation tools partway through this verse?

Are you referring to his post of 1/18/12 12:31 PM? If so, he hardly commented on the text, because he maintained that it was self-explanatory.

So where has he interpreted metaphorically and fluidly?

And Presby, why don't you stick with one moniker?

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