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FRONT PAGE  |  11/22/2017
THURSDAY, DEC 1, 2011  |  8 comments
Billy Graham hospitalized, in stable condition
Evangelist Billy Graham has been hospitalized, potentially with pneumonia, and is in stable condition, according a hospital statement.

The 93-year-old Graham was admitted to Mission Hospital in Asheville, N.C., "alert, smiling and waving at hospital staff," according to the statement. The hospital is near his Montreat, N.C., home. He was admitted "for evaluation and treatment of his lungs," and a doctor said he was "being tested for possible pneumonia."

Graham was admitted to the same hospital in May with pneumonia and spent four nights there before going home. ...


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O'Connor  Find all comments by O'Connor
nota bene wrote:
"First-Class Relics: Items directly associated with the events of Christ's life (manger, cross, etc.) (Wiki)
The meta-question of the Reformation was about pelagianism (i.e., the sale of indulgences): Can you work or buy your way to Heaven? However, now the vast majority of conservative Evangelicals are semipelagian: Can you work with God to get to Heaven? And most don't have a clue what "semipelagian" even means. But this is still opposed to Calvin's monergism: Can you work with God to get to Heaven if you're spiritually dead? Thus, it's hypocrisy for SA pastors to rebuff the Roman Catholic when they embrace the "damned" semipelagian. (And let's not even discuss Joel Osteen and his uber-Pelagian TBN crowd.)

[Relics and icons were far down the Reformers' list of concerns because these don't damn, but Pelagianism does.]

If SA pastors were consistent, they would run Pastor Graham and all other "damned" semipelagian Evangelical leaders out of town before opening the mic to denounce a Roman Catholic.

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News Item12/1/11 3:01 PM
nota bene  Find all comments by nota bene
O'Connor wrote:
Protestant churches display statues
BUT They don't worship them like the Roman Catholics do.

Roman Catholic graven images...
"First-Class Relics: Items directly associated with the events of Christ's life (manger, cross, etc.), or the physical remains of a saint (a bone, a hair, skull, a limb, etc.). Traditionally, a martyr's relics are often more prized than the relics of other saints. Also, some saints' relics are known for their extraordinary incorruptibility and so would have high regard. Parts of the saint that were significant to that saint's life are more prized relics. For instance, King St. Stephen of Hungary's right forearm is especially important because of his status as a ruler. A famous theologian's head may be his most important relic. (The head of St. Thomas Aquinas was removed by the monks at the Cistercian abbey at Fossanova where he died). If a saint did a lot of travelling then the bones of his feet may be prized. Current Catholic teaching prohibits relics to be divided up into small, unrecognizable parts if they are to be used in liturgy"
Second-Class Relics: An item that the saint wore (a shirt, a glove, etc.) Also included is an item that the saint owned or frequently used, for example, a crucifix (Wiki)

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News Item12/1/11 11:41 AM
O'Connor  Find all comments by O'Connor
Wishing Pastor Graham a speedy recovery.
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News Item12/1/11 11:07 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
O'Connor wrote:
1) Many Protestant churches display statues of the baby Jesus (God) in a manger to all passers-by.
2) Mary is the Theotokos (lit. the Mother of God). This doesn't make her a god, however it does make her very significant (Rev 12:1-6).
3) Through "extensive ecumenical dialogue" the JDDJ team, consisting of Catholic and Lutheran scholars, has been discussing the 5 Solas and more for decades.
4) When Jesus told that great multitude by the sea of Galilee to literally "gnaw" on His flesh, many couldn't accept His teaching and "walked no more with Him." He never corrected nor called them back. Although they knew exactly what Jesus meant (i.e., "gnaw" on His flesh), they were unwilling to set aside their Jewish prejudices. However, the early Church leaders, including Peter, set aside these prejudices and walk with Jesus to this day. This is Jesus' understanding of this Sacrament.
I didnt really want an explanation for your beliefs as I know them, I just didnt feel it was acceptable to allow you to mischaracterize SA pastors in the manner you did
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News Item12/1/11 10:55 AM
O'Connor  Find all comments by O'Connor
SteveR wrote:
1) Idolatry
2) Alleged deity of Mary
3) Willfill ignorance of Scriptural foundation in 5 SOLAs
4) Complete misunderstanding of Sacraments
1) Many Protestant churches display statues of the baby Jesus (God) in a manger to all passers-by.
2) Mary is the Theotokos (lit. the Mother of God). This doesn't make her a god, however it does make her very significant (Rev 12:1-6). Otherwise Nestorianism resurfaces.
3) Through "extensive ecumenical dialogue" the JDDJ team, consisting of Lutheran and Catholic scholars, has been discussing the 5 Solas and more for decades.
4) When Jesus told that great multitude by the sea of Galilee to literally "gnaw" on His flesh, many couldn't accept His teaching and "walked no more with Him." But He never corrected nor changed: "This is My Body." Although they knew exactly what Jesus meant (i.e., "gnaw" on His flesh), they were unwilling to set aside their Jewish prejudices. However, the early Church leaders, including Peter, set aside these prejudices and walk with Jesus to this day. This is Jesus' understanding.
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News Item12/1/11 9:59 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
O'Connor wrote:
It's hypocritical for many Sermon Audio pastors to excoriate Roman Catholics when 3 out of 4 conservative Evangelicals are semipelagian. Why do these Sermon Audio pastors welcome semipelagian Arminians with open arms yet bounce Roman Catholics from fellowship? The Rev. Graham has finally understood the hypocrisy of this canard.
With this hypocrisy exposed, why does Sermon Audio persist in fighting on Calvin's cobweb-covered 16th Century battlefield?
O'Connor
3 out of 4 Evangelicals dont know what semipelagianism is, let alone define it. Those 3 out of 4 conservative Evangelicals might very well hold beliefs that COULD be characterized as such, but Arminian cultural bias isnt why the RCC is held in such contempt. I would say in order of importance, it would be far down the list behind things like
1) Idolatry
2) The alleged deity of Mary
3) Willfill ignorance of the Scriptural foundation in the 5 SOLAs
4) Complete misunderstanding of the Sacraments

and thats just for starters

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News Item12/1/11 9:07 AM
O'Connor  Find all comments by O'Connor
It's hypocritical for many Sermon Audio pastors to excoriate Roman Catholics when 3 out of 4 conservative Evangelicals are semipelagian. Why do these Sermon Audio pastors welcome semipelagian Arminians with open arms yet bounce Roman Catholics from fellowship? The Rev. Graham has finally understood the hypocrisy of this canard.

With this hypocrisy exposed, why does Sermon Audio persist in fighting on Calvin's cobweb-covered 16th Century battlefield?

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News Item12/1/11 8:31 AM
Dan | Tennessee  Find all comments by Dan
I pray the Lord grants Billy repentance from his past ecumenism and compromise with Rome before he dies and it's eternally too late. If God did turn him around like that we would see a sorrowful public renunciation of his past involvement with and support of false teachers.
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