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Paul: Perry’s not really conservative
Republican presidential contender Ron Paul, for the second day in a row, criticized Rick Perry’s record as a conservative and cast the Texas governor as a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Mr. Perry, he said, praised Hillary Clinton’s health care plan in the 1990s, pushed for federal stimulus funds and supported welfare for illegal immigrants. He also notes that Mr. Perry backed a mandate that 12-year-old girls be vaccinated against sexually transmitted diseases, raised taxes twice and more than doubled Texas’ debt during his time in office.

“You supported ALL of these bad ideas that are inconsistent with how most Republicans understand conservatism, yet you now try to swagger your way into the tea party,” he wrote, underscoring the Paul camp’s message that GOP voters shouldn’t trust Mr. Perry. ...


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News Item9/19/11 3:26 PM
5Pointer  Find all comments by 5Pointer
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Calvin's Error of Limited Atonement
Jim
Ever come across the term "Remnant"???

It means that only a "LIMITED" number of people will be saved by the Lord.

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a REMNANT shall be saved:" (KJV)

Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" (KJV)

Now this is a verse from a Book called the Bible Jim, (KJV) (thats opposed to a book called the NASB) - The verse refers to God as the "potter" Paul goes on to reveal that God creates two types of people one to honour, the other to dishonour - So GOD LIMITS one group to BE "honour" and the other group to be "dishonour."
Guess which group GOD saves Jim!
Thats right.
God limits the saving to the honour group.

Now don't forget Jim - God has foresight which means HE can see into the future - therefore HE knows who to save and applies a limit specifically to that group - the elect!

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News Item9/19/11 3:24 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John, U.K., ah trying to play the Devil's Advocate? I really don't know where you are at on this question.
John 1
29 The next day he saw^ Jesus coming to him, and said^, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]
You know etc., etc.
D. A. Waite Jr., will be correct at least on this, [URL=http://www.biblebelievers.net/calvinism/kjcalvn4.htm]]]Calvin's Error of Limited Atonement [/URL]. He is unfortunately wrong on a lot of other things such as [URL=http://www.raptureme.com/rr-kjvo.html]]]King James Onlyism[/URL] and the rest of Calvin's ideas that are Biblical, q.v., [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/resources/booklets/calvinism-and-arminianism]]]Calvinism & Arminianism[/URL].
So, John U.K., what's your game?
Game? Game?

Have you forgotten already the massive debate I engaged in recently? I put forward my belief in Particular Redemption, which is biblical; and in the infinite and capable atonement made, sufficient to save a world full of sinners, simply because of the Person making atonement, not in God hoping to save those who may believe. I quoted CHS who believed the same.

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News Item9/19/11 2:27 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John, U.K., ah trying to play the Devil's Advocate? I really don't know where you are at on this question.

John 1
29 The next day he saw^ Jesus coming to him, and said^, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

You know etc., etc.

D. A. Waite Jr., will be correct at least on this, [URL=http://www.biblebelievers.net/calvinism/kjcalvn4.htm]]]Calvin's Error of Limited Atonement [/URL]. He is unfortunately wrong on a lot of other things such as [URL=http://www.raptureme.com/rr-kjvo.html]]]King James Onlyism[/URL] and the rest of Calvin's ideas that are Biblical, q.v., [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/resources/booklets/calvinism-and-arminianism]]]Calvinism & Arminianism[/URL].

So, John U.K., what's your game?

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News Item9/15/11 3:32 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
5Pointer wrote:
Jim
Your close but not Biblically close.
Limited Atonement DOES NOT imply that "God is'nt powerful" enough as you mistakenly infer.
Limited Atonement as I have stated below "IS LIMITED BY GOD in election as the Bible states for those who can read!!"
Therefore Limited Atonement leaves election entirely in God's Hands, God's choice and God's decision.
We prefer to leave the Sovereignty of God with God Himself.
The 4pointer is trying to imply that God cannot do what He has stated, - in that they are suggesting "is that what Jesus did on the cross is insufficient to save everybody." Which of course is not true, not Biblical.
As I said 4pointers are lacking in Biblical truth.
This 4pointer seed is directing people back to the Arminian road and eventually to Rome.
Well, Jesus said:
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
John 10:11 KJV

Looks like limited atonement to me.

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News Item9/15/11 3:08 PM
a presbyterian at heart  Find all comments by a presbyterian at heart
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Limited atonement contradicts what the Bible says, read the verses that were given!...However, limited atonement says that God isn't powerful enough to save everyone, and if that was His sovereign will He would, but he says He won't only the ones he has chosen.
Mal.2:2 "I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

Romans 9:10-18 "And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, 'that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth' It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. (Or as Jim says; God is not powerful enough?) For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee," His power is shown in ?

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News Item9/15/11 3:00 PM
5Pointer  Find all comments by 5Pointer
Jim Lincoln wrote:
However, limited atonement says that God isn't powerful enough to save everyone, and if that was His sovereign will He would, but he says He won't only the ones he has chosen.
Jim
Your close but not Biblically close.

Limited Atonement DOES NOT imply that "God is'nt powerful" enough as you mistakenly infer.

Limited Atonement as I have stated below "IS LIMITED BY GOD in election as the Bible states for those who can read!!"

Therefore Limited Atonement leaves election entirely in God's Hands, God's choice and God's decision.

We prefer to leave the Sovereignty of God with God Himself.

The 4pointer is trying to imply that God cannot do what He has stated, - in that they are suggesting "is that what Jesus did on the cross is insufficient to save everybody." Which of course is not true, not Biblical.

As I said 4pointers are lacking in Biblical truth.

This 4pointer seed is directing people back to the Arminian road and eventually to Rome.

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News Item9/15/11 2:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
5pointer, I will congratulate Calvin for his logical mind (and no, I don't consider him an apostle), but he decided what the premises are by looking at the conclusion rather than the other way around. Limited atonement contradicts what the Bible says, read the verses that were given!

Of course the 4-pointer doesn't say any less --or more-- people are saved than the the 5 pointer, exactly the same people and number are saved that God has elected.

However, limited atonement says that God isn't powerful enough to save everyone, and if that was His sovereign will He would, but he says He won't only the ones he has chosen.

1 Corinthians 1
26 For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble;
27 but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong,
28 and the base things of the world and the despised, God has chosen, the things that are not, that He might nullify the things that are,
29 that no man should boast before God.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

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News Item9/14/11 3:24 PM
5Pointer | from Biblical truth  Find all comments by 5Pointer
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Gil Rugh wrote:
Four-Point Calvinism. The "L" refers to limited atonement which marks the difference between five-point Calvinism and four-point Calvinism. A four-point Calvinist believes that limited atonement is not biblical. The concept of limited atonement is that Christ died only for those whom God chose. He did not die for every person in the world; He died only for the elect, those chosen by God. Rather than holding to the position of limited atonement, a four-point Calvinist believes in unlimited atonement, meaning Christ died for everyone
Four point "Calvinism" is a poor less than Biblical view of a Sovereign God.

Limited Atonement - IS LIMITED BY GOD in election as the Bible states for those who can read!!
Leaving our Sovereign God with choice, decision and election.

God's Son Christ Jesus died for the elect HIS OWN SHEEP as He puts it in Scripture.

God the Father did not plan to make Christ pay for the unsaved, unelect reprobates - THEIR justice is written and recorded in the Book of Life. God foreknew that the unsaved would NOT be covered by Christ's sacrifice.

Four pointer's are lacking in Biblical truth.

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News Item9/14/11 3:01 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
What John, you say we are a fellow Arminian?
Gil Rugh wrote:
Four-Point Calvinism. The "L" refers to limited atonement which marks the difference between five-point Calvinism and four-point Calvinism. A four-point Calvinist believes that limited atonement is not biblical. The concept of limited atonement is that Christ died only for those whom God chose. He did not die for every person in the world; He died only for the elect, those chosen by God. Rather than holding to the position of limited atonement, a four-point Calvinist believes in unlimited atonement, meaning Christ died for everyone in the whole world. "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world" (1 John 2:2; see also John 6:51; 2 Cor. 5:19; 1 Tim. 2:6; 4:10; Titus 2:11; Heb. 2:9; 10:29; 2 Pet. 2:1; 1 John 4:14). Even though Christ’s death was satisfactory for the sins of the whole world, it is only applied to the elect.
excerpt from, [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/ELECTION2.HTM]]]Election: Whose Choice?[/URL]

Phil Johnson, is a dedicated 5-pointer, pity.

1TI 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

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News Item9/13/11 5:40 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
Lockerman wrote:
Good Web Site RP.
Yes, I believe my job is Godly. I make locks. Got my Masters from Yale.
Just kidding of course.
About the locks or Yale? Or both?
I have my theory as to what you do, but I could be wrong so I'll not spectulate?
[To me the word godly means a keeper of the first table of the law with ones whole heart (mind, will and affections) because relying on Christ's perfect righteousness to satisfy God's perfect holiness and the Spirit's work to secure our obedience in mortifying the deeds of the flesh, in this case as regards the worship of God.] If your job enables you not to compromise here then I'd agree with you, that you have a God glorifying job. We might differ on what I wrote between the brackets?
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News Item9/13/11 5:11 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lockerman wrote:
Yes I believe my job is Godly. I make locks. Got my Masters from Yale.
Lockerman, I appreciate you muchly. "Makes I larf."

I have just been reading all of the quotes attributed to Martin Luther, from the website PRO recommended to me, regarding his position on what means we should use to determine sound doctrine, to which he replied, The Scripture and Conscience, showing that Luther agreed with him on that.

Anyway, on that page we have Luther saying that we should mock the devil when he comes a-tempting, and engage in frivolous joking and laughter and have some nonsense with fellow believers and "a drink", because the devil can't stand that merriment and will slink off to find some miserable Christian who never can seem to reach God's standard for perfection and thereby gets into a depressive state rather than a joyful state, making him or her an easy prey for melancholic thoughts provided by the devil but received by the melancholic as God's chastisement and judgment.

Oh the inheritance of JOY which we have come into through the blood of the new covenant!

Yale!!

You refresh my bowels, brother!

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News Item9/13/11 4:17 PM
Lockerman  Find all comments by Lockerman
RP wrote:
I was not familiar with the term;
found a link that looked helpful though
http://www.reformationtheology.com/2006/11/the_amyraldian_view_undone.php
I am grateful to God for you Lockerman that you have a job. Hope it is a God glorifying one, those are especially hard to come by these days.
Good Web Site RP.
Yes I believe my job is Godly. I make locks. Got my Masters from Yale.
Just kidding of course.
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News Item9/13/11 3:46 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
I've also been looking up, RP.

This is a quote from [URL=http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/sup_infr.htm]]]Phil Johnson[/URL]

But Amyraldism probably should not be equated with all brands of so-called "four-point Calvinism." In my own experience, most self-styled four-pointers are unable to articulate any coherent explanation of how the atonement can be universal but election unconditional. So I wouldn't glorify their position by labeling it Amyraldism. (Would that they were as committed to the doctrine of divine sovereignty as Moise Amyraut! Most who call themselves four-pointers are actually crypto-Arminians.)

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News Item9/13/11 3:37 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
Lockerman wrote:
Your church is Amyraldian. A watered down form of Calvinism, made popular by Lewis Sperry Cafer of; Dallas Seminary.
I was not familiar with the term;
found a link that looked helpful though
http://www.reformationtheology.com/2006/11/the_amyraldian_view_undone.php

I am grateful to God for you Lockerman that you have a job. Hope it is a God glorifying one, those are especially hard to come by these days.

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News Item9/13/11 3:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Apparently, Lockerman, you haven't read my posts very closely. What is my favorite post on the AV? [URL=http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=665]]]Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today[/URL]

I have a copy of the AV given to me by my family when I was a child, I have my mother's copy given on her graduation from nursing school, NT Ryrie version, and one I picked up for the maps in it.

But I consider the AV is like having copies of a dirty book in the house, they really should be hidden. What I have said, people might use the AV from personal choice, and I don't have much to say about that. We don't have usher policing what Bibles people are using during our worship service either.

Of course I'm sorry that you worship what a man said, Calvin rather than what the Bible says, [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amyraldism]]]Amyraldism (Four point Calvinism)[/URL]. You seem to have more problem with it than may Five point Calvinists do. Or to be entirely representative of IHCC, a sermon by Gil, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=230691722]]]Calvinism & Arminanism Contrasted[/URL].

I was thanking you for, was that you noticed I didn't express myself as the same way as Tony.

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News Item9/12/11 3:24 PM
Lockerman  Find all comments by Lockerman
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Of course my church is Calvinistic, and won't even carry the AV in its bookstore,
Your church is Amyraldian. A watered down form of Calvinism, made popular by Lewis Sperry Cafer of; Dallas Seminary.
As far as you bookstore; well, that's another whole set of problems.
The point is, after taLking with some of the people in your church, I find it is not nearly as wacked out as you are. If you re read my erlier response to you, you would not be thanking me. I was pointing out that both You and Tony, and bad representations of your churches. That if anyone judged your churches based on the posts either of you put up, No one would want to go to either one.
Again; the only substantial difference I see between you and Tony, is they way you express yourselves on this site. He rants in incomprehensible CAPS, and you rant in obssesive compulsive ways against the AV. Then you post lies saying that you have never spoken against the AV.
You have made it your jod to steer people away from the KJV? Maybee it's time for someone to make it their job to steer people away from Jim Lincoln. Wish I could do the job. But I already have one and can't post All Day Every Day.
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News Item9/12/11 2:25 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why Lockerman! thank you!

Collosians 3
6 For it is on account of these things that the wrath of God will come,
7 and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them.
8 But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.
9 Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices,
10 and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him
11 --a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

Of course my church is Calvinistic, and won't even carry the AV in its bookstore, and give [URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/]]]The New American Standard Bible[/URL] to new attendees of IHCC.

So, I can see why you may very not want to attend a church such as IHCC. It is not wishy-washy, because [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=8403111151]]]We Must Stand Against False Doctrine[/URL]

However, you're in England if memory serves, so I guess you wouldn't attend any of our churches. You may have a different set of bel

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News Item9/11/11 5:18 PM
Lockerman  Find all comments by Lockerman
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well for one thing their pastor there was an associate Pastor at Indian Hills for quite a few years, He still has the correct theology there that he had here. You can hear what Mike preached on Father's Day at IHCC--you should be able to find those two sermons at, [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/resources/media-vault/speakers/mike-matiscik]]]Speaker - Mike Matiscik[/URL].
But since SP (Tony) is giving me a golden opportunity to attack the anti-Semites, of [URL=http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/crj0002b.txt]]]Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists[/URL], who should be tossed out of any Christian Church. I naturally took that opportunity, Marty.
I also saw this was a great chance of telling people in the Chicago/Hammond area where they can go, [URL=http://cfc-church.net/]]]Christian Fellowship Church[/URL] have good Christian preaching and fellowship and not run into the likes of SP.
If ones church is to be judged by the posts made on this website by it's members; then I would no more go to your church than I would Tony's.
The only real difference I see between the two of you, is the way you expess yourselves.
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News Item9/11/11 3:56 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well for one thing their pastor there was an associate Pastor at Indian Hills for quite a few years, He still has the correct theology there that he had here. You can hear what Mike preached on Father's Day at IHCC--you should be able to find those two sermons at, [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/resources/media-vault/speakers/mike-matiscik]]]Speaker - Mike Matiscik[/URL].

But since SP (Tony) is giving me a golden opportunity to attack the anti-Semites, of [URL=http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/crj0002b.txt]]]Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists[/URL], who should be tossed out of any Christian Church. I naturally took that opportunity, Marty.

I also saw this was a great chance of telling people in the Chicago/Hammond area where they can go, [URL=http://cfc-church.net/]]]Christian Fellowship Church[/URL] have good Christian preaching and fellowship and not run into the likes of SP.

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