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SUNDAY, JUL 10, 2011  |  29 comments
PCUSA Allows 'Gay' Clergy
Presbyterians who support gay rights are prepping sanctuaries this Sunday (July 10) to celebrate the passage of a new church policy that allows gay pastors to serve openly for the first time in the denomination's history.

As the new policy for the Presbyterian Church (USA) becomes official that day, several left-leaning churches "will mark the moment with prayer and rejoicing" in their Sunday services, according to a press release from More Light Presbyterians, which advocates for gay rights in the church. ...


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News Item7/14/11 9:50 AM
Bibliophile  Find all comments by Bibliophile
This is the Gospel text that our PCA sang on a frequent basis:

"O Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world, have mercy upon us.

"O Lamb of God who takest away the sins of the world, have mercy upon us.

"O Lamb of God, who takest away the sins of the world, grant us thy peace."

Do you likewise judge them?

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News Item7/14/11 4:51 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Bibliophile wrote:
"God be merciful to me a sinner."
Excellent passage!
Per the 1962 Latin Missal, we recite the following three times each Holy Mass and strike our breast on each:
"Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi: miserére nobis."
[Lit. Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.]
Alas, it is a nonsense, Biblio. This is not what Jesus was talking about.

I once read a small booklet written for Orthodox folks. It was called The Sinner's Prayer, and it was similar to what you advocate. The idea was to recite this prayer: "Jesus, Son of God, have mercy on me, the sinner." Now while the prayer is fine, the advice was to repeat that prayer as many times as possible during waking hours. So that the first day, maybe an hundred repetitions, the second, two hundred, by the end of the week, a thousand, and so on. After a couple of months of such praying, the prayer should be said almost continually, with most every breath, a sort of lifestyle, almost biblical, "pray without ceasing". Alas, again the scripture is misunderstood, for this is what Jesus referred to as "vain repetition", praying in a sort of superstitious way, a hope but NO faith.

The publican did NOT pray like that.

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News Item7/13/11 8:22 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
Yes, the biblical "sinner's prayer" is found here, in the words of the Lord Jesus Christ himself:
Luke 18:10-14 KJV
John UK
Good post one that about makes me want to weep. Catholic Bibliophile tells of how Catholics say this over and over again each Mass, without realizing the blasphemous sin of the Mass, of Maryolotry of exalting their Tradition over the word of God.

I posted previously that Catholics don't see sin as that big a thing, something that damns them in the presence of the Utterly Holy God they hypocrically say they worship and adore when they offically worship and adore the same god as Muslims (John Paul II, CCC 841) and their idols. Without any fear of God they have erased the 2nd of the Ten Commandments condemning idolatry as a sin of those who hate Him, that He wrote with His own finger in stone on Sinai.

It is sure one thing to say 'yes, I am a sinner like everybody else' it is entirely another to say, 'God I have lied about You, about Christ, I have taken your name in vain emptily saying I love and sinned against You wickedly and without excuse and deserve nothing but hell for my sin, PLEASE SAVE ME FROM MY SIN.

Oh How I pray Catholics would come by the grace and mercy of God to say such a prayer.

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News Item7/13/11 7:49 PM
Bibliophile  Find all comments by Bibliophile
John UK wrote:
Yes, the biblical "sinner's prayer" is found here, in the words of the Lord Jesus Christ himself:
Luke 18:10-14 KJV
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Isn't it amazing what effect saying seven words can have, when they are real and heartfelt? The man went to his house JUSTIFIED. How simple, how profound, how glorious, how understandable to all men, how easy. I wonder why the Pharisee couldn't say those same words.
"God be merciful to me a sinner."

Excellent passage!

Per the 1962 Latin Missal, we recite the following three times each Holy Mass and strike our breast on each:

"Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccáta mundi: miserére nobis."

[Lit. Lamb of God, Who takest away the sins of the world, have mercy on us.]

[Note that we also regularly sang this at my PCA.]

Thus, we say the "sinner's prayer" every Lord's Day.

The grace of Christ is Awesome in the Catholic Church!

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News Item7/13/11 6:44 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Bibliophile wrote:
Gilbert apparently follows this standard script:

(6.) I prayed the non-biblical "sinners prayer" and am saved!

Yes, the biblical "sinner's prayer" is found here, in the words of the Lord Jesus Christ himself:

Luke 18:10-14 KJV
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Isn't it amazing what effect saying seven words can have, when they are real and heartfelt? The man went to his house JUSTIFIED. How simple, how profound, how glorious, how understandable to all men, how easy. I wonder why the Pharisee couldn't say those same words.

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News Item7/13/11 6:05 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Bibliophile wrote:
Gilbert apparently follows this standard script:
Catholic Bibliophile
Excuse me, I will try to be as respectful as I might but your post is in polite words, 'a fantasy of make believe'.

With me I knew much of the Catholic religion because I was personally taught by Catholics themselves.

Sin was not that big a thing to Catholics because of infant 'baptism' and especially "Mary" etc. would bail them out of "Purgatory" so they did NOT fear God and see sinning against Him as that big a deal and if they really felt guilty confess it to a priest.

The Lord Jesus Christ was not presented as mighty and willing (because of His great love for us) to save, risen victorious over Satan, sin, death and the grave, but more like a wimpy indifferent (except for being angry with us) momma's boy.

The very real faith people can have that comes from hearing the Truth God Himself reveals and teaches us in the Bible.

Truth that shows the RCC doesn't know Him and horribly missrepresents Him to themselves and misleads sincere people to follow them into destruction.
Rev 17:1-19:6

Verses that show Rome's wilfull ignorance (denial) of Scripture and the Judgment that awaits those who continue unrepentant with her.

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News Item7/13/11 5:09 PM
Bibliophile  Find all comments by Bibliophile
Biblion wrote:
1. Yes.
2. Wrong! Read again what he said.
3. His experience is that family and RC church obviously taught him otherwise.
4. See answer #3
5. Obviously he read enough to be converted to Christianity - away from the Roman Catholic cult.
6. Prayer is only between God, His Son Jesus in mediation and the elect Christian. The specific words are not required to be from Scripture.
Suggest you go to a real Church, Reformed and Protestant, where you will be taught these Biblical solutions.
May the Lord save you.
Was radically saved by Christ alone while a member of various Protestant groups (including the SBC & PCA).

Converted into the Catholic Church, thereafter.

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News Item7/13/11 5:02 PM
Biblion  Find all comments by Biblion
Bibliophile wrote:
Gilbert apparently follows this standard script:
(1.) Grew up Catholic.
(2.) Priest and family taught me nothing about the Church.
(3.) Though we had it at home, never read even one verse of the Bible except for hearing it at Mass.
(4.) Although Hell is forever and horrendous, never bothered to read even one book about my faith or my Church to at least ensure I'd escape Hell's fire.
(5.) Finally, someone handed me a Bible in college and I read a fraction of it.
(6.) I prayed the non-biblical "sinners prayer" and am saved!
Being this cavalier with one's faith is foolish and dangerous. It's not just Catholics.
1. Yes.
2. Wrong! Read again what he said.
3. His experience is that family and RC church obviously taught him otherwise.
4. See answer #3
5. Obviously he read enough to be converted to Christianity - away from the Roman Catholic cult.
6. Prayer is only between God, His Son Jesus in mediation and the elect Christian. The specific words are not required to be from Scripture.

Suggest you go to a real Church, Reformed and Protestant, where you will be taught these Biblical solutions.
May the Lord save you.

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News Item7/13/11 4:48 PM
Bibliophile  Find all comments by Bibliophile
Gilbert apparently follows this standard script:

(1.) Grew up Catholic.
(2.) Priest and family taught me nothing about the Church.
(3.) Though we had it at home, never read even one verse of the Bible except for hearing it at Mass.
(4.) Although Hell is forever and horrendous, never bothered to read even one book about my faith or my Church to at least ensure I'd escape Hell's fire.
(5.) Finally, someone handed me a Bible in college and I read a fraction of it.
(6.) I prayed the non-biblical "sinners prayer" and am saved!

Being this cavalier with one's faith is foolish and dangerous. It's not just Catholics. Either way, ignorance of one's faith is inexcusable and pathetic.

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News Item7/13/11 10:01 AM
your Christian Friend  Find all comments by your Christian Friend
Your Catholic Friend wrote:
It's great that you've started reading the Bible. We, Catholics, have been doing that for centuries
Here is a quote from an EX-Catholic.

"Growing up as a Roman Catholic, most of the things I learnt about God were taught to me as rules from a priest. I realised this when I started university and met some Christians who weren't Catholic. They asked me what I believed - I told them, almost parrot fashion. Then they asked me why I believed these things. I'd never been asked that question before! I said, "Because the priest told me"...But my answer didn't seem very good for a first year university student. When I asked them why they believed the things they did, they opened up their Bibles and showed me. Someone had taught these students how to understand the Bible for themselves, rather than just rely on what a priest said."
"For me leaving Catholicism ended up being a process of growing in my trust of God's Word and losing my trust in the Catholic church." (Mark Gilbert)
[URL=http://www.matthiasmedia.com/road-once-travelled]]](from his book; The Road Once Travelled)[/URL]

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News Item7/12/11 7:17 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Your Catholic Friend wrote:
Dear Michael Hranek,
Greetings in the name of Jesus!
It's great that you've started reading the Bible. We, Catholics, have been doing that for centuries.
"Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ."
-CCC 133
However, when you intelligently critique the Church you may want to first read a book or two which includes our imprimatur.
May the Grace of our Lord dwell in you richly!
In Christ,
Your Christian Friend
Dear Your Catholic
Oh! Like the Catechism of the Catholic Church which teaches Catholics and Muslims adore the same god. CCC 841

Catch your breath.

If Catholics cannot get it right on who God is and is NOT it would be utterly foolish to trust them on anything else.

Respectfully

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News Item7/12/11 3:32 PM
your Christian friend  Find all comments by your Christian friend
Your Catholic Friend wrote:
reading the Bible. We, Catholics, have been doing that for centuries.
If the Roman Catholic "church" can actually read the Bible then why is it you practice so much false religion, heresy, idolatry, icon worship, relic worship, dead sinners worship, etc etc etc!!

"In the Lord's Supper, all the partakers at that table grant and confess themselves debtors unto God, unable to refer thanks for the benefits which we have received of his liberality. In the papistical Mass, the priest alleges that God is a debtor to him, and unto all them for whom he makes that sacrifice. For he does affirm remission of sins to be obtained thereby; and in that the Mass is blasphemous to Christ's death." (John Knox)

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News Item7/12/11 2:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Catholic Friend, is this how [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC1100W1.htm]]]Catholic Bible Studies[/URL] are? Remember it is plainly, [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC1199W1.htm]]]Sola Scriptura[/URL]
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News Item7/12/11 1:27 PM
Your Catholic Friend  Find all comments by Your Catholic Friend
Dear Michael Hranek,

Greetings in the name of Jesus!

It's great that you've started reading the Bible. We, Catholics, have been doing that for centuries.

"Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ."
-CCC 133

However, when you intelligently critique the Church you may want to first read a book or two which includes our imprimatur.

May the Grace of our Lord dwell in you richly!

In Christ,

Your Christian Friend

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News Item7/11/11 7:38 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Bibliophile wrote:
As an ex-Catholic-turned-professional-protester, what five books, published by the Vatican, did you read that led you to leave the Church?
Further, what does Catholicism have to do with the PC(USA)'s collapse? I fail to see any correlation.
(Catholic)Bibliophile
Yes! I am most certainly an ex-Catholic (and any Catholic who come to know the truth of Christ, and know Him in the new birth and loves Him for saving them ought to be also) but as to being a "professional" you are really stretching on that one. A passionate child of God who does not want to see a single Roman Catholic die in a very false relgion to stand guilty before the God they vainly thought they were worshipping and serving, most certainly I am guilty of loving Catholic people that much and hope by the grace of God to love them even more.

Ah you've really missed it, you should have asked, Did humbly and prayerfully and honestly reading the Bible for what it really is, the very written word of God, show you the Truth whereby you knew that there was no way you could stay in the apostate idolatrous and blasphemous religion of Roman Catholicism and be faithful to Christ?

People should leave both PCUSA and the RCC

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News Item7/11/11 5:15 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mark M. wrote:
I'm not the first to say this, and it might not be the first time that I have repeated it, but you will remember that Jesus said wherever two people are gatherd in his name, He will be there with them. It means to me that eventually we will have "churches" with "congregations" of as little as two people, because we won't be able to attend the mainline churches any longer.
Hi Mark
I hope things are okay for you out in the desert.
Good post, and I reckon this is happening right now. Indeed, I know of several such, even in my locality, where believers are meeting in the name of Jesus in homes, having "services" in kitchens, and staying true to the Bible and to the Lord. It used to be the charismatics in the UK who met like this, but increasingly it is Bible Believers who are disgusted with the antics of their supposed leaders who are separating and meeting together wherever they can. And I don't expect things to get any better before the Lord returns. Maybe the good that will come from it is that the wheat and tares will be more sharply defined, although this would also bring with it increased persecution. Ah well, I prefer that to half-hearted Christianity.
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News Item7/11/11 11:58 AM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
the whole nation is becoming San Fran, and the brilliance of it is that they have "conservatives" aiding the movement through promising them "security" and "peace" in trade for their children's innocence and dignity.

"hands up" girls and boys, that's the new motto for this generation.

I don't see the church's wheels turning very fast, its like they are not putting it together yet and seeing the greater picture.

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News Item7/11/11 7:25 AM
Bibliophile  Find all comments by Bibliophile
Michael Hranek wrote:
Roman Catholicism
As an ex-Catholic-turned-professional-protester, what five books, published by the Vatican, did you read that led you to leave the Church?

Further, what does Catholicism have to do with the PC(USA)'s collapse? I fail to see any correlation.

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News Item7/11/11 5:21 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Mark M. wrote:
I'm not the first to say this, and it might not be the first time that I have repeated it, but you will remember that Jesus said wherever two people are gatherd in his name, He will be there with them. It means to me that eventually we will have "churches" with "congregations" of as little as two people, because we won't be able to attend the mainline churches any longer. How could you go into a church like one of these and give a donation?
Mark M
I cannot put into words how much I appreciate your comment. And as abominable as caving into to ordain homosexuals is it is not the only area Christians are faced with 'coming out from among them' to be separate and holy unto the Lord Jesus Christ.

such as:
Roman Catholicism
Islam
Creation
Music

Anti-semitism

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News Item7/11/11 2:01 AM
Don R. | Arizona  Find all comments by Don R.
PCUSA-Please Consider Us Sexual Anarchists.
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