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FRIDAY, APR 29, 2011  |  61 comments
3 men arrested for reading Bible
The arrests happened on Feb. 2, 2011, when the assistant pastor from Calvary Chapel of Hemet and two church elders went to the public property. Mackey then started reading the Bible aloud.

He was arrested less than 30 minutes later, and the two others were arrested a short time after that, even though they had not actually been reading the Bible aloud.

The men believed they had a First Amendment right to free speech and they were standing in a planter in the parking lot and were on public property.

A member of the California Highway Patrol approached Mackey, grabbed his Bible and arrested him. Then Coronado and Flores asked the officer, "What law was he breaking?" ...


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Mary Freeman  Contact via emailFind all comments by Mary Freeman
the man preaching wasn't doing anything wrong. He wasn't preventing anyone from doing their job at the DMV nor was he keeping customers from doing business with the DMV. that was a false arrest. did the police officer give the man back his bible, if not then the police officer is guilty of committing theft.
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News Item5/15/11 4:26 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dopey wrote:
John, I haven't been called by God to be a judge between the value of the the two computer programs e-sword and theWord but my personal experience with each program may be of help, so I will relate some of it.
I used e-sword for years and had great respect for the program and still do.
One day, e-sword stopped working on my computer in it's usual great manner. Being skillful in how to get what I really want, I expected to solve the problem quickly but found that I couldn't. I came up with ingenious schemes to make the program work again like it used to because I liked the program so much.
when I finally conceded that I could not get e-sword to work again on my computer like it used to, I got very angry. Eventually God led me to theWord and I soon discovered that I liked theWord as much as e-sword. The moral of the story, for me, is, accept what God allows to happen to you and where He then leads you and it will all work out great in the end.
Westcoast reader, I also thank you for your additional input concerning theWord.
Excellent!
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News Item5/15/11 3:52 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
My pastor had a very recent sermon on presenting the Gospel, which should be of help, Preaching Jesus One By One.

Some of you gentlemen may want to try the Sword program, from it works on a variety of operating systems and computer types. I have one that not only works on Windows 98 but all through Windows 7, 64 bit. Yes, it has the AV on it, and at least some added bonuses such as the James Strong's concordance which can be brought up and is integrated right into the text. It has some up-to-date bibles as well, such as the NET and ESV.

If you have a dual-core CPU that runs around 2.8 GHz or so, Windows 7 download the VPC2007 64 bit for it, and install Windows 98 into a virtual machine and you can run many of your older programs as well.

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News Item5/15/11 2:55 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
John UK wrote:
I have had a look at the site, but it might take too long to download. Maybe one day I will, or do you think it would be no improvement over e-sword?
John, I haven't been called by God to be a judge between the value of the the two computer programs e-sword and theWord but my personal experience with each program may be of help, so I will relate some of it.

I used e-sword for years and had great respect for the program and still do.

One day, e-sword stopped working on my computer in it's usual great manner. Being skillful in how to get what I really want, I expected to solve the problem quickly but found that I couldn't. I came up with ingenious schemes to make the program work again like it used to because I liked the program so much.

when I finally conceded that I could not get e-sword to work again on my computer like it used to, I got very angry. Eventually God led me to theWord and I soon discovered that I liked theWord as much as e-sword. The moral of the story, for me, is, accept what God allows to happen to you and where He then leads you and it will all work out great in the end.

Westcoast reader, I also thank you for your additional input concerning theWord.

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News Item5/15/11 9:42 AM
Me  Find all comments by Me
Me wrote:
Me wrote
Me wrote
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News Item5/15/11 4:42 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dopey wrote:
John, "theWord" is like e-sword for both programs are totally free and have numerous modules at their websites that can be incorporated into the programs, some of which for a price, many of which are totally free.
In regrard to the program I am using, "theWord", some of the modules I took are:
In regard to "Bibles", 5 of the many available, my personal favorite being the Kings James Bible.
In regard to "Commentaries" I have besides "Matthew Henry's Whole Bible Commentary (MHWBC)",
"John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible (Gill)",
Charles Spurgeon's "enduring classic" on the book of Psalms,"Treasury of David (ToD)", as well as the "Scofield Reference Notes, 1917 Edition (Scofield)".
Thanks for all the info David.

I have had a look at the site, but it might take too long to download. Maybe one day I will, or do you think it would be no improvement over e-sword?

There is obviously a need for discernment with these online Bibles, or you could end up with a "pick and mix" theology. To read Spurgeon one day and Scofield the next, well that's asking for spiritual trouble.

Thanks also to westcoast reader for additional input.

I like this Christian 'loving one another' thing.

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News Item5/15/11 12:18 AM
westcoast reader | westcoast  Find all comments by westcoast reader
Dopey wrote:
In regrard to the program I am using, "theWord", some of the modules I took are:
If you follow some of the external links provided on theword site, you can find many other books, commentaries, dictionaries, maps, devotionals, verse lists, mp3 headers to link your audio Bible with. The Audio Bible support isn't quite as awesome as SwordSearcher, but you can put theword on a USB thumb drive and take it with you and keep your notes and books and everything in one mobile place. And you can literally let it automatically look up Strongs (you have to find it and download it) and the KJV Dictionary as you hover your mouse on words. theword comes with the Mickelson "enhanced" Strongs. Mickelson uses a Byzantine text (I can't remember for sure either Beza or Stephanus... check plowsharemission.com), he is anti-KJV.

Some of my favorite extra resources for theword,
Matthew Poole commentary,
A.Miller History
Treasury of Scripture Knowledge
Websters 1828 Dictionary

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News Item5/14/11 5:05 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
If The Arrestees Were Preaching From THE KING JAMES BIBLE--They Might've Actually WON The Arresting Officers To THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Of THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE:

THE KING JAMES BIBLE !

From: Street-Preacher
To: His Brother

"...Just Came Back From The Water-Tower Place As I Was Street-Preaching ...

I Was Crying Out THE (HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE) SCRIPTURES...

TODAY THE LORD LEAD ME TO PREACH, AFTER PREACHING (WHAT I CALL) 'THE TWELVE TENETS OF TRUTH', THE VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURE WHICH DEALS WITH THE 'LAST DAYS', 'LATTER TIMES' & THE SECOND COMING OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST--VIA THE PRE-TRIBULATION--MILLENIAL RAPTURE & THE APPEARING OF THE ANTI-CHRIST, THAT IS THE 'MAN OF SIN' AND HIS (CHRIST'S) COMING 'TO JUDGE THE QUICK (BORN-AGAIN) AND THE DEAD (LOST & NON-BORN-AGAIN) AT HIS APPEARING (AT THE RAPTURE) AND HIS KINGDOM (AT THE BATTLE OF AMAGEDDON [AFTER THE 7 YEAR TRIBUJLATION]:

'NOW THE SPIRIT SPEAKETH EXPRESSLY, THAT IN THE LATTER TIMES SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH; GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS;

SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY, HAVING THEIR CONSCIENCE SEARED WITH A HOT IRON;

FORBIDDING TO MARRY AND COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM MEATS; WHICH GOD HATH CREATED TO BE RECIEVED WITH..." ! ! !

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News Item5/14/11 4:49 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
John UK wrote:
Who else does The Word have for free download?
John, "theWord" is like e-sword for both programs are totally free and have numerous modules at their websites that can be incorporated into the programs, some of which for a price, many of which are totally free.

In regrard to the program I am using, "theWord", some of the modules I took are:

In regard to "Bibles", 5 of the many available, my personal favorite being the Kings James Bible.

In regard to "Commentaries" I have besides "Matthew Henry's Whole Bible Commentary (MHWBC)",
"John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible (Gill)",
Charles Spurgeon's "enduring classic" on the book of Psalms,"Treasury of David (ToD)", as well as the "Scofield Reference Notes, 1917 Edition (Scofield)".

Those 1917 Scofield Reference Notes kind of turn my 5 Bibles in to 6 Bibles for Scofields' Refrence notes of 1917 were in reference to the Kings James Bible which was used as the Bible text in the 1917 Scofield Reference Bible.

Comment space requires that I not mention what else I took from "Commentaries" "Dictionaries", "Books" or other headings at "theWord" site:

http://www.theword.net/index.php?downloads.modules&group_id=19&o=title&l=english

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News Item5/14/11 4:49 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
If The Arrestees Were Preaching From THE KING JAMES BIBLE--They Might've Actually WON The Arresting Officers To THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Of THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE:

THE KING JAMES BIBLE !

From: Street-Preacher
To: His Brother

"...Just Came Back From The Water-Tower Place As I Was Street-Preaching ...

I Was Crying Out THE (HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE) SCRIPTURES...

AFTER I 'CRY OUT' &-OR 'PREACH' THE AFOREMENTIONED--AFOREWRITTEN 'HISTORIC BIBLICAL-LITERALISTS STATEMENT OF FAITH' (THE ABOVE I-XII) YEA, THE PURE PREACHING OF THE PURELY WRITTEN, INSPIRED & PRESERVED WORD OF GOD IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE--AKA PREACHING THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED (KING JAMES 'VERSION') OF THE HOLY BIBLE--OR JUST PLAIN SPEAKING:

PREACHING THE KING JAMES BIBLE !

TODAY THE LORD LEAD ME TO PREACH, AFTER PREACHING (WHAT I CALL) 'THE TWELVE TENETS OF TRUTH', THE VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURE WHICH DEALS WITH THE 'LAST DAYS', 'LATTER TIMES' & THE SECOND COMING OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST--VIS THE PRE-TRIBULATION--MILLENIAL RAPTURE & THE APPEARING OF THE ANTI-CHRIST, THAT IS THE 'MAN OF SIN' AND HIS (CHRIST'S) COMING 'TO JUDGE THE QUICK (BORN-AGAIN) AND THE DEAD (LOST & NON-BORN-AGAIN) AT HIS APPEARING (AT THE RAPTURE) AND HIS KINGDOM (AT THE BATTLE OF A..." !

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News Item5/14/11 4:35 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dopey wrote:
John, my friend, I pray that your recuperation from the minor operation goes well.
At my first birth, of the two, I was born with the first name of David. I like the pseudonym of Dopey, for among other reasons, because it is a reminder from God to me of how dopey I have been many times since my second birth, a classic example of which I spoke of at
5/13/11 4:24 PM. I won't presume to tell people what they should call me but, simply say, Dopey or David is
fine with me.
Dopey, I thank you for your prayer, and I am recuperating well. You are a good friend to pray for another Dopey like me.
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News Item5/14/11 4:34 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
If The Arrestees Were Preaching From THE KING JAMES BIBLE--They Might've Actually WON The Arresting Officers To THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Of THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE:
THE KING JAMES BIBLE !

From: Street-Preacher
To: His Brother

"...Just Came Back From The Water-Tower Place As I Was Street-Preaching...

I Was Crying Out THE (HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE) SCRIPTURES...

AFTER PREACHING &-OR 'CRYING OUT' THIS GENERAL AUTHORIZED BIBLICAL LITERALIST 'STATEMENT OF FAITH'; THE HOLY GHOST-SPIRIT THEN LAYS UPON MY HEART &-OR BRINGS TO MY MIND OTHER PORTIONS OF THE AUTHORIZED-HOLY-BIBLE-SCRIPTURE(S) THAT I HAVE TAKEN INTO MEMORY FROM THE PAST--OR HE BRINGS TO MY HEART & MY MIND--OR SHOULD I SAY 'THE SPIRIT OF [MY] MIND'--MANY OTHER VARIOUS PROTIONS OF SCRIPTURE (THAT I HAVE TAKEN INTO MEMORY INTHE PAST) THAT HE WANTS ME TO PREACH AT THAT PRESENT &-OR VERY MOMENT; AFTER I 'CRY OUT' &-OR 'PREACH' THE AFOREMENTIONED--AFOREWRITTEN 'HISTORIC BIBLICAL-LITERALISTS STATEMENT OF FAITH' (THE ABOVE I-XII) YEA, THE PURE PREACHING OF THE PURELY WRITTEN, INSPIRED & PRESERVED WORD OF GOD IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE--AKA PREACHING THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED (KING JAMES 'VERSION') OF THE HOLY BIBLE--OR JUST PLAIN SPEAKING:

PREACHING THE KING JAMES BIBLE !

TODAY THE..." !

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News Item5/14/11 4:16 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
John UK wrote:
Dopey, is your real name really David...
John, my friend, I pray that your recuperation from the minor operation goes well.

At my first birth, of the two, I was born with the first name of David. I like the pseudonym of Dopey, for among other reasons, because it is a reminder from God to me of how dopey I have been many times since my second birth, a classic example of which I spoke of at
5/13/11 4:24 PM. I won't presume to tell people what they should call me but, simply say, Dopey or David is
fine with me.

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News Item5/14/11 2:32 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, they were not using the AV, they were using the New King James Version. If you had listened to the tape, you would have heard the word, "manifest" in it. This is what is used in the NKJV.

While I don't defend their preaching to a captive audience, not Christian, or their use of a verse which no doubt many Jews find offensive, unless explained in detail, I do compliment them on using understandable English, which is one of the best points of for example, using The Roman Road approach.

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News Item5/14/11 1:50 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
If The Arrestees Were Preaching From THE KING JAMES BIBLE--They Might've Actually WON The Arresting Officers To THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Of THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE:

THE KING JAMES BIBLE !

From: Street-Preacher
To: His Brother

"...Just Came Back From The Water-Tower Place As I Was Street-Preaching ...

I Was Crying Out THE (HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE) SCRIPTURES...

'AND WE KNOW THAT THE SON OF GOD IS COME; AND HATH GIBEN US AN UNDERSTANDING; THAT WE MAY KNOW HIM THAT IS TRUE, AND WE (WHO ARE BORN-AGAIN SPIRITUALLY) ARE IN HIM THAT IS TRUE; EVEN IN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.' I JOHN 5:20

'TAKE HEED THEREFORE UNTO YOURSELVES, AND TO ALL THE FLOCK OVER THE WHICH THE HOLY GHOST HATH MADE YOU OVERSEERS (WE ARE OUR 'BROTHER'S KEEPER'); TO FEED THE CHURCH OF GOD, WHICH HE HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD.' ACTS 20:28

NOW THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST; AND THE LOVE OF GOD; AND THE COMMUNION OF THE HOLY GHOST BE WITH YOU ALL. AMEN.' II CORNITHIANS 12:14

AFTER PREACHING &-OR 'CRYING OUT' THIS GENERAL AUTHORIZED BIBLICAL LITERALIST 'STATEMENT OF FAITH'; THE HOLY GHOST-SPIRIT THEN LAYS UPON MY HEART &-OR BRINGS TO MY MIND OTHER PORTIONS OF THE AUTHORIZED-HOLY-BIBLE-SCRIPTURE(S) THAT I HAVE TAKEN..." !

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News Item5/14/11 1:44 PM
Me  Find all comments by Me
Me wrote
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News Item5/14/11 1:34 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
LET'S GET BACK ON THE TOPIC BOYS !:

If The Arrestees Were Preaching From THE KING JAMES BIBLE--They Might've Actually WON The Arresting Officers To THE LORD JESUS CHRIST Of THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE:

THE KING JAMES BIBLE !

From: Street-Preacher
To: His Brother

"...Just Came Back From The Water-Tower Place As I Was Street-Preaching ...

I Was Crying Out THE (HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH HOLY BIBLE) SCRIPTURES...

'AND WITHOUT CONTROVERSY, GREAT IS THE MYSTERY OF GODLINESS; GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, JUSTIFIED IN THE SPIRIT, SEEN OF ANGELS, PREACHED UNTO THE GENTILES, BELIEVED ON IN THE WORLD, RECEIVED UP INTO GLORY' I TIMOTHY 3:16

'FOR THE GRACE OF GOD THAT BRINGETH SALVATION HATH APPEARED UNTO ALL MEN;

TEACHING US THAT DENYING UNGODLINESS AND WORLDLY LUSTS; WE SHOULD LIVE SOBERLY, RIGHTEOUSLY AND GODLY IN THIS PRESENT WORLD:

LOOKING FOR THAT BLESSED HOPE (THE RAPTURE), AND THE GLORIOUS APPEARING OF THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST' TITUS 2:13-15

'JESUS CHRIST, THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREER,' HEBREWS 13:8

'AND WE KNOW THAT THE SON OF GOD IS COME; AND HATH GIBEN US AN UNDERSTANDING; THAT WE MAY KNOW HIM THAT IS TRUE, AND WE (WHO ARE BORN-AGAIN SPIRITUALLY) ARE IN HIM THAT IS TRUE; EVEN IN HIS SON JESUS CHRIST..."

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News Item5/14/11 4:23 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dopey wrote:
John, thank you for your 5/12/11 3:55 PM
comment. I appreciate your quote from Matthew Henry in the rest of your comment.
I like reading Matthew Henry. In fact I like what he had/has to say to the degree that I scrapped "Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on the Whole Bible
(MHCC)", which I used to use on the free Bible software that
I used to use, and replaced it with the free module "Matthew Henry's Whole Bible Commentary (MHWBC)" on the free Bible software that I now use, "theWord".:
http://www.theword.net/
Dopey, is your real name really David, and would you not prefer to be called David? It is a very biblical name like John. Some non-Christians call me Bible John or John the (1689) Baptist. When I was a very young zealous Christian, one of my workmates called me Billy Graham because I was always preaching the gospel.

Thanks for all the info about The Word. I may try to download it and try it out. I am always blessed by MH, and reckon he was a gift to the larger church. His full commentary is much better than the concise. I have been using e-sword for many years, and I think mine is the concise commentary. Who else does The Word have for free download?

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News Item5/13/11 8:06 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
John UK wrote:
Dopey, I looked up your text twice used recently, and was helpfully instructed by Matt Henry on this verse.
John, thank you for your 5/12/11 3:55 PM
comment. I appreciate your quote from Matthew Henry in the rest of your comment.

I like reading Matthew Henry. In fact I like what he had/has to say to the degree that I scrapped "Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on the Whole Bible
(MHCC)", which I used to use on the free Bible software that
I used to use, and replaced it with the free module "Matthew Henry's Whole Bible Commentary (MHWBC)" on the free Bible software that I now use, "theWord".:
http://www.theword.net/

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News Item5/13/11 6:29 PM
a different view  Find all comments by a different view
Dopey wrote:
If you consider any part of what you stated bad conduct on your part, and I trust you do...
Dopey,

What I thought was that I confused these people and there might have been a better way. The other thing that happened was there was a little boy and he was very defiant to his mother. He was demanding money and shaking a candy machine. I tried to start a conversation with him but it was going no where, so I sharply rebuked him for disobeying his mother who knew better than he did that one more piece of candy would make him wilder then he already was. I went out in my car to read. I came back inside and he said; Not you again and I said: Yes, I came to make sure you were obeying your mother. His countenance changed and he started to tell me about his family. I asked him to help me fold a flat sheet and he looked frightened and sat the rest of the time with his mother like an obedient child. I drove home talking to the Lord trying to figure it all out.

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