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FRONT PAGE  |  9/22/2019
MONDAY, FEB 28, 2011  |  500 comments  |  1 commentary
'Should Rap Be In The Church?'
"Professor Trill," as some have called him, using a play off of Bun B's frequently used hip-hop slang for "authenticity," moderated the discussion and asked each panelist pointed, thoughtful questions about the role of rap music within the Christian church. Often his inquiries were better than the answers he received.

For the most part, all of the participants agreed that hip hop culture and its members are already in the church at-large. They also felt that most congregations would be wise to acknowledge and embrace the movement as a way of maintaining relevance with an increasingly disinterested audience.

The panel was often critical of Christianity as it is currently expressed in America. Rudy Rasmus said that many pastors are simply "would-be car salesman" and that most are "breaking Jesus' heart." Such statements drew cheers and agreement "amens" from an audience mostly comprised of ...


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News Item4/15/11 2:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Note to SermonAudio you should make this a survey/poll question!

Daniel 3
4 Then the herald loudly proclaimed: "To you the command is given, O peoples, nations and men of every language,
5 that at the moment you hear the sound of the horn, flute, lyre, trigon, psaltery, bagpipe, and all kinds of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king has set up.
6 "But whoever does not fall down and worship shall immediately be cast into the midst of a furnace of blazing fire."---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

A truly Christian rapper would always be better than the caterwauling Muslim call to prayer to a pagan God.

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News Item4/15/11 10:25 AM
rhymnrzn2zion | D-TON, OH  Find all comments by rhymnrzn2zion
Ephesians 5:13 "But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light."
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News Item4/10/11 4:07 PM
wrappa  Find all comments by wrappa
'Holy' Hip Hop

New calvinism has lost the plot, have a listen to the first part of this sermon if you are in a state of disbelief

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=48111025213]]]holy hip hop[/URL]

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News Item4/1/11 8:40 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
ye olde ways wrote:
OK Michael;
Since you want to get real close to the Old Testament method, what to do is when your wife is cooking the roast lamb "sacrifice" on Sunday, get a trumpet and blow it in her ears to complete the old Jewish sacrifice ritual.
It is interesting that you hymn singers scoop out the "instruments" from the Book of Psalms, to authenticate the use of modern "geetars et al" in modern worship - Yet leave behind the actual Word of God and doctrine of Psalms.
ye old ways
Are you 'no music'?
Really whoever you all are you've got to have real names, right?

Anyway thanks for the post as it kind of illustrates, 'your regulative principle is showing.'

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News Item3/31/11 5:45 PM
coora | Australia  Find all comments by coora
Former Rocker,
I had no idea that you had that meaning in mind when you chose your title.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree in Christian love.
God bless you in your Christian life
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News Item3/31/11 4:08 PM
Former Rocker | I said FORMER  Find all comments by Former Rocker
coora wrote:
Rocker
Which style of music do you prefer?
I am not a new Christian and my preference is the classical style, but in traveling around the world I have come to realize that Christians from diverse backgrounds prefer diverse styles. If God had defined what he prefers we would have no difficulty. but he hasn't.
First of all; stop calling me Rocker. It's Former Rocker. If you knew the origin of the word rocker, wou would know it is synomonous with Fornicater.

Second; if you had read my posts you would know that the whole idea of "What one Prefers" is the problem to begin with.

Thirdly; God Has given guidelines as to how he is to be worshiped. And it's NOT again it is NOT with music invented be people dedicated to satan. How many times will you avoid this?

Fourthly; you have not answered the core issues I've brought up, but continue to ask questions.

Fifthly; you obviously do not want to look at the Real issues, but keep bringing up strawmen of variety which is not the real issue. Iv'e refered you to two excellent works on the subject, but you will not look honestly at them because you are convinced that your right.

Sixtly; This is the last post I will make to you on this subject.

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News Item3/31/11 3:56 PM
ye olde ways  Find all comments by ye olde ways
Michael Hranek wrote:
But it sure doesn't seem when musical instruments were clearly used in the OT
OK Michael;
Since you want to get real close to the Old Testament method, what to do is when your wife is cooking the roast lamb "sacrifice" on Sunday, get a trumpet and blow it in her ears to complete the old Jewish sacrifice ritual.

It is interesting that you hymn singers scoop out the "instruments" from the Book of Psalms, to authenticate the use of modern "geetars et al" in modern worship - Yet leave behind the actual Word of God and doctrine of Psalms.

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News Item3/31/11 3:37 PM
coora | Australia  Find all comments by coora
Rocker
Which style of music do you prefer?
I am not a new Christian and my preference is the classical style, but in traveling around the world I have come to realize that Christians from diverse backgrounds prefer diverse styles. If God had defined what he prefers we would have no difficulty. but he hasn't. "Make a joyful noise" to me refers to some forms of Christian music, but if it is praising God, who are we to argue?
You may have a problem with this style from your pre-christian days. If so then avoid it,
but for some it is their style in which to praise God. Must everyone conform to my selection of appropriate sounds in which to praise God. I'm not talking of reaching the unreached - that is done via the Word.
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News Item3/31/11 8:55 AM
Former Rocker | Former not just Rocker  Find all comments by Former Rocker
coora wrote:
Rocker,
Your experience is yours. Other Christians have written and sing even the psalms to rock music. They are worshipping God in the way they feel comfortable with.
My experience is mine! That's real convenient isn't it? If someone just speaks from objective study, people say "But you have no personal experience with it" yet if someone has personal experience, you say "That was just your experience".

How many peoples experiences do you need? 10, 20, 100, 1,000? All of these can be provided. Plus the study of the matter as well.

As far as worshiping God in the way they feel comfortable with: That is the total antitisis Biblical Worship.

You keep bringhing uo the instrument question, of which I have never posted a comment about. My comments are regarding music styles that were invented by people who by thier own admission are at war with God. Now todays "christians" are copying that style rather that seeking God for what to compose.

My guess is that you are either a new christian that hasn't developed discenment in this area, someone who reasons with their emotins rather than scripture and reason, or you are someone who secretly loves the World, and you are trying to justify what your flesh likes.

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News Item3/31/11 4:04 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
This news item could also be called: "Should we allow the devil in the church?"

There is no doubt in my mind that the devil is an inspirer of certain types of music. You can investigate quite a few music styles and ask the composer how he came by that score. Some will know that they came by it spiritually, others will be unaware, yet others will refer to inspiration by drugs or drink.

Think about rock and pop music. Who loves it? What effect does it have? Would a rebel find rock music or plainsong helpful to his cause? What sort of character sings rap? What are rap songs about?

The Four Four Beat has been widely used through history for 1. producing a trancelike state, and 2. for conjuring up demons. Rhythmical music always is a danger, both to the mind and the consciousness and the conscience and the mental state. Whereas plainsong is safe, simple and heavenlike.

I counsel the PO's to give up their "beat music psalter singing to metrical hymn tunes" and give plainsong a try, straight out of your Bible, folks. And ne'er a beat or rock riff in sight.

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News Item3/31/11 12:16 AM
coora | Australia  Find all comments by coora
Rocker,
Your experience is yours. Other Christians have written and sing even the psalms to rock music. They are worshipping God in the way they feel comfortable with. If anyone could demonstrate that God has written that this music score is okay and that one is not I would reconsider but to my knowledge people have only shown their individual preferences and then say that is what God wants. Christian music did not start with the folk/classical music that most western Christians sing to psalms and hymns these days.
God has written that we should make a joyful noise, that we should praise him with all kinds of instruments and that we should sing to each other psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. God himself sings over us with joy. In heaven we will praise him in song and with harps. But we are nowhere told what tune to use.
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News Item3/30/11 10:48 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
no music wrote:
That is correct Michael and that is what the Regulative Principle is based upon.
no music
I understand that it is what it is supposed to be based upon.

But it sure doesn't seem when musical instruments were clearly used in the OT and Jehovah of the NT is the same Jehovah of the OT.

But thanks for your post.

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News Item3/30/11 9:05 PM
Former Rocker  Find all comments by Former Rocker
coora wrote:
Rocker,
Is this the question you are referring to?
"Who are You trying to please? God or your flesh? The Lord or ungodly reprobates?"
In following the pattern for worship in Heaven I think you could say I'm aiming to please God. He has told us to sing throughout the Bible. Many believers are recorded as singing words other than the psalms, in scripture.
Thank you for responding. Please read and consider all of the post that you referd to
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Calling some of those styles "Cultural" may not only be inacurate but even harmful. As you can tell from my moniker I have personal experience of more than one style of music.

The issue, as I refered to in an earlier post, is; do we use music in which Chistians desire to compose music which they think would sound like heavenly principles. Or do we use music that has been composed by people who by thier own admission serve the World the Flesh and the Devil?

As a new christian, I thought that approach would Reach people and please God. I was wrong.

If you sincerly wish to look at another side of this issue, I would once again refer you to two books: Why Johnny can't sing hymns, and Why I left The Contemparary Christian Music Movement.

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News Item3/30/11 8:03 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
can o worms wrote:
---
"they are playing music!"
How do spiritual fingers play spiritual harp strings?
If a spiritual Being can create physical sound, it shouldn't be difficult, should it?
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News Item3/30/11 6:50 PM
coora | Australia  Find all comments by coora
Rocker,
Is this the question you are referring to?
"Who are You trying to please? God or your flesh? The Lord or ungodly reprobates?"

In following the pattern for worship in Heaven I think you could say I'm aiming to please God. He has told us to sing throughout the Bible. Many believers are recorded as singing words other than the psalms, in scripture. We are told in the psalms to use instruments to sing praise.
Nowhere to my knowledge are we given the music we are to use. People have used the heart music of their culture where we have records. So if your culture is one of rap, country and western, Turkish lament, classical European or African drums that is the music you ought to use. God wants to hear us sing his praise from a joyful heart. Not argue over what you or I like best. God has not to my knowledge given us his preference for the score.

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News Item3/30/11 6:27 PM
Former Rocker  Find all comments by Former Rocker
Coora; I guess you have chosen to ignore my many attempts to get you to respond to my comments to you. So I'll just take it that I was right in the assesement I made of you in my earlier post (which you did not read or respond to.)

In the future; if you don't want an answer, don't ask questions.

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News Item3/30/11 6:19 PM
coora | Australia  Find all comments by coora
Rob Ulster,
I agree with you:-

"And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.”
Above we have true spiritual, perfect, sinless worship in Heaven, they are not singing from the pslater, they are playing music!
How dare men say that this sort of worship is false on earth, when it is perfect in Heaven!!

We on earth pattern our worship on heavenly worship, and join with those gone before to Heaven when we praise God for all he has done.

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News Item3/30/11 4:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Answers wrote:
EP = Exclusive psalmody
RP =Regulative principle
BP = British Petroleum
SP = Starting Price
XP = Old Operating System
GP = Grand Prix
HP = Better beans than Heinz
LP = Long Player
MP =
RP = Retail Price

any more?

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News Item3/30/11 3:40 PM
Answers | Home  Find all comments by Answers
EP = Exclusive psalmody
RP =Regulative principle
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News Item3/30/11 3:07 PM
questioning  Find all comments by questioning
What is EP? RP Reformed Presbytery?
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