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FRONT PAGE  |  12/9/2019
SATURDAY, FEB 13, 2010  |  28 comments
Vicar tells women to 'submit to husbands'
In a leaflet issued to parishoners, the Rev Angus MacLeay used passages in the Bible to justify women playing a submissive role in local church life. He urged women to “submit to their husbands in everything”.

Mr MacLeay, a member of the General Synod, is opposed to the appointment of women bishops. He has campaigned vociferously for Reform, an Evangelical group that seeks to reform the Church of England “according to the Holy Scriptures”.

The leaflet he issued It says at one point: “Wives are to submit to their husbands in everything in recognition of the fact that husbands are head of the family as Christ is head of the church. ...


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News Item2/15/10 1:47 PM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailFind all comments by princecharles
Michael Hranek wrote:
PC
What I mean is a whole lot different from what you posted.
A Baptist Type believer holds (briefly):
thanks michael thats very informative.

the comment wasnt in response to your post but just what i hear from friends who are from baptist backgrounds and i shouldnt think (and now know) that it represents the orthodoxy of the baptist church

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News Item2/15/10 12:00 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
I applaud this man's efforts but it sounds like he'd have more success persuading Hugo Chavez that Capitalism is good than he would getting through to these who grew up steeped in our post-modern/post-Christian culture.

Still, the Holy Spirit is able to convict even the hardest of hearts--male or female--wherever The Word is preached.

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News Item2/15/10 8:19 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
prince charles wrote:
that baptist type...
PC
What I mean is a whole lot different from what you posted.

A Baptist Type believer holds (briefly):

The Scriptures Alone is the word of God by which we may know the Truth of God, our sole authority for what we think and believe and how we are to live righteously before our God.

Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament Covenant the New Testament begins a New Covenant

The New Testament Covenant is individual and experiential whereby believers come to know God personally in the New Birth in the Spirit and have fellowship with one another and especially with Christ as we walk in the light.

Baptism is immersion for believers only.

Regeneration is a work of the Holy Spirit occurring at salvation, God’s terms being repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. And you must be born again

Christ’s return is imminent and believers are to be ready about His will eagerly awaiting His return

The authority of the local church to serve Christ as He leads us to.

The Church made up of all regenerated believers is not Israel and Israel is not The Church

Separation of Church and State, the Church is not to be joined to the State or the State to the Church

New Testament Churches do not punish heretics

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News Item2/15/10 4:31 AM
prince charles | anglesey wales  Find all comments by prince charles
that baptist type 'ask (good ol) jesus into your heart ' evangelism is hardly any better than RC doctrines

some modern evangelicals get exited about RC heresy while practicing many of their own which are just as destructive, a few I have heard:

You make the decision

God does not go where he isnt wanted

Ask Jesus into your heart

God loves all the sinners

Jesus died for everyone

God is knocking at the door of your heart you must ask him in

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News Item2/14/10 9:41 PM
former catholic  Find all comments by former catholic
"JY has been repeatedly challenged sometimes patiently and lovingly and other quite bluntly on the falseness of both the RCC and a mere verbal profession of faith void of the obedience of faith to Christ which is evident in those changed by God in the New Birth in the Spirit of those who now live for the Son of God who died for them. So far he refuses to hear."

Point taken brother...

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News Item2/14/10 7:11 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
former catholic wrote:
Michael Hranek wrote,

MH-perhaps a bit hyperbolic of a retort above and my prior comment about truth with love wasn't to you exclusively...but the point was it seemed like there was a bit of piling on an easy target for this forum. Consider that it may be better to Scripturally challenge the doctrine of the RCC rather than the primarily criticize the church or it's adherents.

former catholic
Thank You for posting back.
I do not know how long you've been reading the postings on SermonAudio.

If you do not know -
I am saved, born again Baptist-type believer, a former NEVER to be again Roman Catholic who is deeply burdened for Catholic people to be saved and for "Evangelicals" to not be decieved into returning to Rome, nor wrongly accepting Roman Catholics as fellow believers but to do all that we rightfully do to see Catholics and others who are lost saved.

JY has been repeatedly challenged sometimes patiently and lovingly and other quite bluntly on the falseness of both the RCC and a mere verbal profession of faith void of the obedience of faith to Christ which is evident in those changed by God in the New Birth in the Spirit of those who now live for the Son of God who died for them. So far he refuses to hear.

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News Item2/14/10 6:37 PM
former catholic  Find all comments by former catholic
Michael Hranek wrote,

"So before we becomes so 'meek and mild' and so non-confrontational, so non-offensive we "love" people right into hell, that we ought to be weeping and mourning over in how much they live in sin against the Lord Jesus Christ who died for our salvation."

MH-perhaps a bit hyperbolic of a retort above and my prior comment about truth with love wasn't to you exclusively...but the point was it seemed like there was a bit of piling on an easy target for this forum. Consider that it may be better to Scripturally challenge the doctrine of the RCC rather than the primarily criticize the church or it's adherents.

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News Item2/14/10 5:05 PM
S Claus  Find all comments by S Claus
former catholic wrote:
John Y,
Can't imagine why you aren't compelled to make the leap the to join an evangelical church given the humble way in which the brothers on here share the truth...with love??
Two observations:-
1. John Y already claims to have and "share" evangelical truth and claims to love it.
2. If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Please also note this typical post dating from way back in 04/17/06

OC, Free Will Ind. Baptist, KJO, post-trib rapture wrote:
NN- JY has been posting the same lame messages on SA for three years. If you try to communicate with him/it, it just keeps right on posting away as if he/it never read your posts. I don't think it DOES read them.
He/it says he/it's a Christian but never listens to any sermons here or comments on them; yet we know he/it can't be getting any kind of food at the Catholic "church" except poisonous food. He/it is only interested in influencing the people on this forum to see the Catholics as being no different than the Christians and just keeps putting up the same message every day for now three years.
Is that not creepy?
He/it should be kicked off here.
btw - John Y has been kicked off Romanist forums.
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News Item2/14/10 4:29 PM
CV | Australia  Find all comments by CV
This is a secular article written with a heavy liberal bias. The Vicar and his curate are being slighted.

The Vicars views are biblically sound. The passages he quoted are from the bible verbatim.

To a church that has moved so far away from Gods word, the bible does sound medieval and strange. Jesus’ words are "disgusting". The women are leaving in droves, taking their tithes. Just who is God to tell them to submit? If God were to say today what He said then, He would be crucified. How un- "21st century" of God. The COE will resist any move to restore the church “according to the Holy Scriptures”.

Obviously to the COE, what the Vicar said is "controversial". Can’t' imagine how Apostle Paul would have been received.

JY, your allegiance to playing "church" supersedes your allegiance to Christ. Adding "Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant or Evangelical Protestant" as a group does not give Rome credibility by virtue of safety among the masses. Under the Protestant umbrella, there very well are kooky churces that Rome can cuddle up to.

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News Item2/14/10 2:17 PM
penny dropped  Find all comments by penny dropped
former catholic wrote:
Can't imagine why you aren't compelled to make the leap the to join an evangelical church given the humble way in which the brothers on here share the truth...with love??
Oh oh another salvation by works advocate!!!
Or you haven't been reading JY posts for the last Five years!!!
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News Item2/14/10 1:44 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
former catholic wrote:
John Y,
Can't imagine why you aren't compelled to make the leap the to join an evangelical church given the humble way in which the brothers on here share the truth...with love??
former catholic
Interesting comment. I'm not sure where your coming from or exactly what you expect.

So before we becomes so 'meek and mild' and so non-confrontational, so non-offensive we "love" people right into hell, that we ought to be weeping and mourning over in how much they live in sin against the Lord Jesus Christ who died for our salvation.

Maybe we ought to do something like watch the video "Bullwhip Guy" (a response to Bull Horn Guy-which I do NOT recommend btw) on www.youtube.com and humbly prayerfully consider how we might best follow our Lord in our witness.

You do remember when the rich young ruller asked Jesus what he lacked Jesus told him to sell all that he had give to the poor and come follow me AND when this man walked away Jesus didn't run after him with saying 'I really didn't mean that, I'll make it easier for you, just tell Me what is convient for you' did He.

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News Item2/14/10 1:26 PM
Whale In The Desert | Australia  Find all comments by Whale In The Desert
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
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News Item2/14/10 11:20 AM
former catholic  Find all comments by former catholic
John Y,

Can't imagine why you aren't compelled to make the leap the to join an evangelical church given the humble way in which the brothers on here share the truth...with love??

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News Item2/14/10 9:03 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
SteveR wrote:
Salvation is only equated with Church Membership when you leave a Church
Or one might say when you don't and refuse to leave a wicked blasphemous false church.
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News Item2/14/10 8:41 AM
SteveR | Upper Midwest  Find all comments by SteveR
Salvation is only equated with Church Membership when you leave a Church

Michael Hranek wrote:
John Yurich USA
Excuse me but I hardly believe that you a Roman Catholic are qualified to tell me (I am a Baptist Type Believer) what "offical Baptist Doctrine" is (you do know "Baptists" reject Catholic Popes along with Protestant Popes too for that matter).
Now well "nowhere in the Bible is church membership be it Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant or Evangelical Protestant equated with salvation" certainly membership in the Roman Catholic Church is equated with serious disobedience to Jesus Christ...or in other words serious and grieveous sin against Jesus Christ.
If your friend was really all that much of a "Baptitst" he should have told you this.
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News Item2/13/10 6:10 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
John Yurich USA wrote:
It is official Baptist doctrine

...nowhere in the Bible is church membership be it Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant or Evangelical Protestant equated with salvation.

John Yurich USA
Excuse me but I hardly believe that you a Roman Catholic are qualified to tell me (I am a Baptist Type Believer) what "offical Baptist Doctrine" is (you do know "Baptists" reject Catholic Popes along with Protestant Popes too for that matter).

Now well "nowhere in the Bible is church membership be it Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant or Evangelical Protestant equated with salvation" certainly membership in the Roman Catholic Church is equated with serious disobedience to Jesus Christ...or in other words serious and grieveous sin against Jesus Christ.

If your friend was really all that much of a "Baptitst" he should have told you this.

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News Item2/13/10 4:29 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
just a thought, you're right, John Y., doesn't have the [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L206.pdf]]]Marks of the True Believer[/URL]. Only a person who isn't a believer would not [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC0200W2.htm]]]Come out of the Catholic Church[/URL].

Very easy test if a person is a Christian or not and that is he believes, --and proclaims-- [URL=http://www.monergism.com/updates/reformation_essentials_by_mich.php]]]"Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory"[/URL].

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News Item2/13/10 4:19 PM
just a thought  Find all comments by just a thought
John Y says, 'I learned from Baptist ministers on television that the only requirement for gaining entrance into Heaven is to pray to Jesus and ask Him to become ones Savior'
It would be far better to stick with the teachings of the Bible concerning salvation...'For by grace are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, NOT OF WORKS,lest any man should boast.' Eph. 2:8.9
This is what the false teachings of easy believism produce, false converts. Those who merely repeat prayers, make decisions, and base their salvation on that work are terribly deceived.
There is not one thing anyone can do to cause God to look upon them with favor and save them. Grace is what salvation is based on, made available by the death, burial, and resurrection of God's own Son.
Those who boast they are saved because of some work they did are in serious danger.
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News Item2/13/10 2:09 PM
S Claus  Find all comments by S Claus
Mike wrote:
What did Jesus save you from, John Yurich? Anything in particular?
Marriage?
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News Item2/13/10 1:12 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Michael Hranek wrote:
How interesting...I seem to recall the First BAPTIST Minister who wasn't on television by the way said, "REPENT, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
and Jesus began His ministry the same way, "REPENT for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Sounds like the ones you listen to weren't really all that Baptist just 'all wet'.
It is official Baptist doctrine that salvation comes through receiving Jesus as ones Personal Savior and Lord by praying to Him and asking Him become ones Savior. That is why all Baptist Churches have Altar Calls so that individuals can pray to Jesus and ask Him to become their Savior and thus become saved. I have a Baptist friend and he states that when a Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Mainline Protestant receives Jesus as their Savior that they can remain in the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches and not join an Evangelical Protestant Church. The reason that my Baptist friend believes that is because he knows full well that nowhere in the Bible is church membership be it Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant or Evangelical Protestant equated with salvation.
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