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Choice News SUNDAY, JAN 3, 2010  |  94 comments
Harold Camping's date for rapture: May 21, 2011
Harold Camping lets out a hearty chuckle when he considers the people who believe the world will end in 2012.

"That date has not one stitch of biblical authority," Camping says from the Oakland office where he runs Family Radio, an evangelical station that reaches listeners around the world. "It's like a fairy tale."

The real date for the end of times, he says, is in 2011.


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News Item1/6/10 10:38 PM
Gordon  Find all comments by Gordon
picture address for OXFORD University

http://www.darknessandlight.co.uk/oxford_photographs.html

Columbia Evangelical Seminary:
The Photographic Tour

picture address for Columbia

http://www.shields-research.org/Novak/CES/ces.htm

Now then pictures are worth a thousand words ( no more to be said )

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News Item1/6/10 6:24 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Those obsessed with modern would-be prophets like Camping should be mindful of the [URL=http://www.skepdic.com/dixon.html]]]Jeane Dixon effect[/URL] and Biblical penalties for false prophesying (Deut. 13).

Camping's complex, arbitrary numerology reminds me of the old adage that figures lie (or can be made to).

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News Item1/6/10 5:25 PM
Sandra | Ohio  Find all comments by Sandra
Why are people ignoring Jesus' words? He said, "...after the tribulation..." (Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24) He would return and take His Bride. Who are the saints the beast overcomes in Revelation 13:7? Why should Christians in the West escape what the Church has always gone through?
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News Item1/6/10 4:18 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Zack wrote:
http://moriel.org/MorielArchive/index.php/discernment/church-issues/various/a-scourge-of-suspect-credentials-and-phony-degrees-is-sweeping-through-the-church
7/1/06
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According to Christian Sentinel publisher Bill Alnor, evidence of this is abundant.
Some very prominent apologists writing books do not have accredited doctorates, yet they are referred to as “doctors.” On July 14 in a Southwest Radio Church broadcast dealing with apostasy in the church,
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The show stated that White’s degree is from an “unaccredited correspondence school” — the Columbia Evangelical Seminary that has “no library,” “no curriculum committee,” “no bookstore,” and has “no course review procedures.” The broadcast claimed that many of those holding phony degrees do so for “purely mercenary motivations.” “Fake degrees are a betrayal of the public’s trust…. These degrees aren’t worth the paper they are printed on."
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By accredited I assume is meant recognized by the US Dept of Education, or a regional association. Oxford is not accredited by any American association. Would a degree from there also be wagged as an unaccredited fake using the same standards that are applied to Columbia?
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News Item1/6/10 3:39 PM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Committee-plea,

Actually, I had the same thoughts as Mike, in regards to ad hominems. But, the dialogue between Christians can be so caustic that I did not wish to be drawn in(I have to be in continual prayer before and after posting to keep from stumbling into sin -Ecc.3:7)

Being overly critical at times and after being on the KJV only side before I want to do more than simply read James White's book. I would desire to be wholly true in examining both sides before being dogmatic.(John Owen's approach) As Christians sometimes we come to conclusions but become dogmatic(chuch or denomination teaching, no time to study so remain zealous in current position, etc.), even though we have not exhausted the subject.
In regards to James White an accredited institution may be a safeguard however there is no guarantee of good theology simply because someone has managed somehow to make the grade in todays seminaries(I do not but some refer to them as cemeteries in a pejorative way). I have his book on Justification and a few others and I think that they hold there own against any so-called experts.

Christian integrity would have us to purchase his book/s, and to read it/them without simply an attempt to find a quotation or two to attack.
Have a "grace day"!

JOB 1:8

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News Item1/6/10 2:51 PM
xray charlie  Find all comments by xray charlie
Moderator Alpha wrote:
The topic of this news item is.... "Harold Camping's date for rapture: May 21, 2011"
How James White's credentials came into the discussion is a mystery but lets have no more of it here.
Thank you.
Actually Mod Alpha if you put both their names into the search engine you will find 190,000 entries on the web, so there is quite a significant reason for the coupling of these two.
EG
"Iron Sharpens Iron James White will debate Harold Camping July 28/29 on the Iron sharpens Iron Program."
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News Item1/6/10 2:44 PM
Moderator Alpha  Protected NameFind all comments by Moderator Alpha
The topic of this news item is.... "Harold Camping's date for rapture: May 21, 2011"

How James White's credentials came into the discussion is a mystery but lets have no more of it here.

Thank you.

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News Item1/6/10 12:52 PM
committee  Find all comments by committee
Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye

A Shout Out
for
savedbygrace & John Uk & Mike NY

Since the three of you are readers and recommenders of James White"s books,

You are hereby authorized to write directly to Mr.White at Alpha & Omega
Ministries and ask him to visit this site and explain in some detail how he acquired his "doctorate" degree, his use of the title 'Dr.', the title which he continues to use both here at Sermon-audio, his church, his speaking / debating engagements, and his books.

We will patiently await your reply and look forward to his presence here at this forum. This then should clear up the controversy.

Authorization Committee

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News Item1/6/10 12:42 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Harold Camping Is An HERETIC & APOSTATE; Not To Mention FALSE PROPHET & TEACHER; Like MANY IGNORANT & DOCTRINALLY SUBVERTED SA COMMENTATORS !

Especially HERETICS, APOSTATES, FALSE PROPHETS & TEACHERS Who DENY The FACT Of The COMING PRE-TRIBULATION-RAPTURE Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST For HIS TRUE CHURCH-BODY-BRIDE;

As Attested To In THE AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE & The Writings Of CHRIST'S APOSTLES, The Post-Apostolic & Nicene Orthodox Judeo-Christian Authors-Apologists-[Non-'Canonal']-Apostles/Prophets/Teachers Like St. Ephrem Of Syria:

"FOR ALL THE SAINTS AND ELECT OF GOD ARE GATHERED, PRIOR TO THE TRIBULATION THAT IS TO COME, AND ARE TAKEN TO THE LORD LEST THEY SEE THE CONFUSION THAT IS TO OVERWHELM THE WORLD BECAUSE OF OUR SINS." Ephrem 2;9 (Chapter 2; Sentence 9 "On The Last Times, The Antichrist, And The End Of The World": Written In 300s AD) !

Q:When's THE RAPTURE To Happen?

A:IT'S IMMINENT OR CAN HAPPEN AT ANY MOMENT FROM NOW (*IT DIDN'T HAPPEN YESTERDAY):

"FOR THE LORD (JESUS CHRIST) HIMSELF SHALL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT...AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST:

THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: AND SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE LORD." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 !

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News Item1/6/10 12:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Nice try! Disagree with the theology, go after the reputation. Whatever works. How postmodern. Surely a Christian would not knowingly...etc.
Nicely discerned Mike.
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News Item1/6/10 12:40 PM
Zack  Find all comments by Zack
http://moriel.org/MorielArchive/index.php/discernment/church-issues/various/a-scourge-of-suspect-credentials-and-phony-degrees-is-sweeping-through-the-church

7/1/06
A Scourge of Suspect Credentials and Phony Degrees is Sweeping through the Church / Bill Alnor / http://www.cultlink.com

According to Christian Sentinel publisher Bill Alnor, evidence of this is abundant.
Some very prominent apologists writing books do not have accredited doctorates, yet they are referred to as “doctors.” On July 14 in a Southwest Radio Church broadcast dealing with apostasy in the church, Dr. Larry Spargimino exposed some of the facts about prominent apologist and author James White of Arizona. The show stated that White’s degree is from an “unaccredited correspondence school” — the Columbia Evangelical Seminary that has “no library,” “no curriculum committee,” “no bookstore,” and has “no course review procedures.” The broadcast claimed that many of those holding phony degrees do so for “purely mercenary motivations.” “Fake degrees are a betrayal of the public’s trust…. These degrees aren’t worth the paper they are printed on."
To listen to the broadcast go to http://www.swrc.com/broadcasts/2004/july.htm, click on July 14 and go to the very end of the broadcast.

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News Item1/6/10 11:59 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Zack wrote:
Does anyone know if at sermon-audio there is a verification process that members must go through before they are permitted to add their sermons to the site . . a vetting process if you will . . a way to check / verify the credentials claimed by the Speaker.
One has to ask how someone like James White whose doctorate is questionable at the least could escape such scrutiny. Surely a Christian website would not knowingly engage in deception which would in turn disparage their reputation.
Nice try! Disagree with the theology, go after the reputation. Whatever works. How postmodern. Surely a Christian would not knowingly...etc.
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News Item1/6/10 9:59 AM
Zack  Find all comments by Zack
Does anyone know if at sermon-audio there is a verification process that members must go through before they are permitted to add their sermons to the site . . a vetting process if you will . . a way to check / verify the credentials claimed by the Speaker.
One has to ask how someone like James White whose doctorate is questionable at the least could escape such scrutiny. Surely a Christian website would not knowingly engage in deception which would in turn disparage their reputation.
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News Item1/5/10 7:57 PM
CoramDeo  Find all comments by CoramDeo
John UK wrote:
When you say "return", what exactly do you mean? Is he somewhere else at the moment? Return from where?
Sorry John,
I'm speaking of the parousia.
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News Item1/5/10 6:50 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
JimB wrote:
Hi all,
John UK asked me to post some info here about my experience with Harold Camping. I was involved with a group of people who believed the world would end in 1994 like Harold Camping previously predicted. We became a cult, and declared all churches were apostate back in the mid 1980s......
Hey Jim

Thanks so much for your post and info. I have learnt a lot in two days about this false prophet, and I appreciate you sparing the time to give some more insight into this strange character.

I'm glad I stayed up for a few more minutes before turning in, but now it really has to be time for The Land of Nod.

God bless you bro, and your house. I praise the Lord that he leads his beloved people out of error into the glorious truth and liberty of the gospel. He has so dealt with me also, and continues to do so.

Oh....and welcome to the SermonAudio Forums and Fellowship, if you've never been this way before.

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News Item1/5/10 6:43 PM
Peter  Find all comments by Peter
John uk says
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see THE DAY approaching.
Hebrews 10:24-25 KJV

Sure thing.

Check out BOOK BY JAMES WHITE

Next.....

Thank you John for the wonderful recommendation we all thank you for your wisdom and now you owe 2 apologies
John ,just by chance should you receive a phone call from Bernie Madoff from his "CELL " phone ...just hang up then you won't be duped into buying anything.

Now I'm off on vacation

regards Peter

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News Item1/5/10 6:22 PM
JimB | New Jersey, USA  Contact via emailFind all comments by JimB
Hi all,
John UK asked me to post some info here about my experience with Harold Camping. I was involved with a group of people who believed the world would end in 1994 like Harold Camping previously predicted. We became a cult, and declared all churches were apostate back in the mid 1980s. I have studied Mr Camping's Calendar of History, and found many errors in it. All calculation based on his 13,000 year old earth are incorrect, including his prediction in 2011. Mr Camping also recently changed his view on the Judgement and punishment of the unsaved. He now believes in NO conscious resurrection of the unbelievers, and NO literal Judgment Day, and NO conscious punishment for sins. He now believes in annihilation like the Jehovah's Witnesses and other cults. He also believes that every single gathering together of poeple in the world who calls themselves a "church" is under the rule of Satan. Harold Camping is a dangerous cult leader, and false prophet. I have witnessed and heard about a lot of peoples' lives being ruined becuase of his teachings. I know of someone who committed suicide in New Jersey because of the 1994 prediction. The Bible says we know a false teacher by their fruits, and Mr Camping has borne lots of evil fruit.
God Bless,
Jim
jimbbbbb@gmail.com
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News Item1/5/10 6:09 PM
Fred  Find all comments by Fred
From:letisT@aol.com

Date:Sat.20 Apr 2002 16;15:54

Subject:white material


The

INSTITUTE

FOR

Renaissance and Reformation

Biblical Studies

4 March 2002

Alpha and Omega founder ,James White Purchases a BOGUS Doctorate

from a Non Accredited Diploma Mill

By

Theodore P.Letis

http://www.holywordcafe.com/bible/resources/IRRBS-04-20-02.pdf

page down and read very last paragraph !

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News Item1/5/10 4:52 PM
Bud  Find all comments by Bud
This is the list of articles referred to in Ploughman's post on James White at the 'Theodore P. Letis Resources' website:

*Diploma Mills-James White (Links sent out via email answering questions about James White)

- College Challenges Oregon's 'Diploma Mill' Law

- James White phony degree

- White's degree granting institution

- photos of White's degree granting institution

Follow this link and scroll down as the articles are closer to the end of the page.

http://www.holywordcafe.com/bible/Letis.html

By the way 'savedbygrace', if you purchased some of White's books, perhaps now is the time to ask for a refund.

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News Item1/5/10 4:35 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
But there are always those who prefer maple to apple.
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