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Choice News MONDAY, DEC 21, 2009  |  28 comments  |  1 commentary
John MacArthur Evaluates Oral Roberts' Legacy


Oral Roberts

John MacArthur, pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, Calif., wrote in a commentary Friday, "Roberts' legacy needs to be evaluated soberly, honestly, and carefully, under the stark light of Scripture."

"Was the message he proclaimed the unadulterated gospel?" he posed. "No."

"In all the many times I saw him on television I never once heard him preach the gospel," the evangelical pastor pointed out. "His message – every time – was about Seed-Faith."


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News Item1/1/12 4:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Tony Cisneros, apparently I didn't get to put up what your pastor said, here
Jack Schapp, Pastor First Baptist Church, Hammond, Ind. wrote:
For one to believe that God inspired the King James Version of the Bible, he would be espousing Catholic or charsmatic theology. Both groups theologically believe that God can and does still "speak" today, either though the papal office "ex cathedra," or by way of a "a word of knowledge," supposedly used to more perfectly and accurately pronounce and define God's will for man. Kindly put, that theological position is heresy to those of us who believe that the Words of Scripture were ended with the completion of John's finished manuscript of The revelation approximately 95-100 A.D.
this excerpt was from his book, "Where are We Going?"

Ah, there are churches that don't have the type thinking that Tony Cisneros does in the Chicago area, for example, [URL=http://cfc-church.net/]]]Christian Fellowship Church[/URL]

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News Item1/10/10 4:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Tony,

Heil Mary
KJV=AV=[A]nglican [V]ersion

Hail Mary[KJV], full of grace.
Our Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women[Bibles],
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy [KJV] Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.[to thinking and Christianity]
Amen.

Why are you substituting one fetish (Mary) for another (AV)?

Michael, thanks for the information, the cultists, e.g., seem to have an attachment for the AV.

[URL=http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=1824]]]Part III: From the KJV to the RV (from Elegance to Accuracy)[/URL], and [URL=http://www.kjvonly.org/doug/kutilek_final_authority.htm]]]Final Authority -- Answers to a reader's question of KJV as his final authority [/URL]

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News Item1/2/10 8:06 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
Ah, "Jim Lincoln", When Are The Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic Devil/Demon-Spirits Going To Leave You ?
The KING JAMES BIBLE Is AUTHORIZED (AUTHORED) By ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF !
Tony
Sometimes.

Found this on the internet:

Holy Bible with Personal Commentary By Oral Roberts, King James Version (Leather Bound)

Interesting isn't it.

Jim Lincoln probably won't want one, I know I don't but what about you?
It is King James isn't it.

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News Item1/2/10 5:39 AM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Ah, "Jim Lincoln", When Are The Roman-"Catholic"-Cultic Devil/Demon-Spirits Going To Leave You ?

The KING JAMES BIBLE Is AUTHORIZED (AUTHORED) By ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF !

ALL Your Satanic-Vatican "Jesuitry", Sophistry & Luciferian/Diabolical/
Devilish/Demonic-Spirit Inspired & Possessed "Intellectual", Evil, Heretical & APOSTATE Alexandrian/Arian Based "Higher Criticism" CANNOT,

Yea,

WILL NOT Destroy The FACT That The Historic AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE Is Based On The ETERNAL GOD-Preserved & HOLY SPIRIT Inspired/Possessed MAJORITY HEBREW, ARAMAIC & GREEK ORIGINAL-COPY MANUSCRIPTS--

THEREFORE, THE AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE IS THE ONLY POPULIST PRESERVED WORD OF GOD IN ENGLISH, FOR ALL ENGLISH SPEAKING (WRITING & COMMUNICATING) PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, UNTIL THE KINGDOM OF ALMIGHTY GOD COMES (NOTE: FOR THE TRUE CHOSEN SAINTS & ELECT OF GOD AT THIS PRESENT TIME & "DISPENSATION": THAT'LL BE THE IMMINENT PRE-TRIBULATION [& MILLENIAL] RAPTURE;

AS TESTIFIED, AFFIRMED & CONFIRMED BY EPHREM OF SYRIA, THE HISTORIC APOSTLE OF ORTHODOX SYRIAN JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY, IN THE 300s AD:

"THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR: AND SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE LORD."
--1 Thess. 4:17 (See Ephrem 2;9) !

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News Item12/31/09 2:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Tony, when are you going to leave the Roman Catholic Church? There is not place in the [A]nglican [V]ersion (Laodicean church that created a Sardis Bible!) that says it was sanctioned by God, the translators of the AV never say that it was sanctioned by God. [URL=htt://www.dbts.edu/journals/1996_2/Preface.pdf]]] The Preface to the King James Version And the King James Only position[/URL].

You are just following the traditions of men just like the [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC2W0601.pdf]]]Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses[/URL] do. Very Catholic of you, in making a fetish out of the AV.

Pick up a real Bible, one that has perspicuity,

1 Corinthians 14:9
So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

My church's book store, [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/sw_index.php]]]Sound Words[/URL] has many NASBs with a variety of study aids, and at a good price, but get one where you will, pick up some good contemporary Bible with out the boar taint of Elizabethan English.

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News Item12/31/09 12:17 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Authorized by who...?
Authorized (Authored) By ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF !

"Jim Lincoln": ALL Your Satanic-Vaticanist "Jesuitry", Sophistry & Luciferian/Diabolical/Devilish/Demonic-Spirit Inspired & Possessed "Intellectual", Evil, Heretical & APOSTATE Alexandrian/Arian Based "Higher Criticism" CANNOT,

Yea,

WILL NOT Destroy The FACT That The Historic AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE Is Based On The ETERNAL GOD-Preserved & HOLY SPIRIT Inspired/Possessed MAJORITY HEBREW, ARAMAIC & GREEK ORIGINAL-COPY MANUSCRIPTS--

THEREFORE, THE AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE IS THE ONLY POPULIST PRESERVED WORD OF GOD IN ENGLISH, FOR ALL ENGLISH SPEAKING (WRITING & COMMUNICATING) PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, UNTIL THE KINGDOM OF ALMIGHTY GOD COMES (NOTE: FOR THE TRUE CHOSEN SAINTS & ELECT OF GOD AT THIS PRESENT TIME & "DISPENSATION": THAT'LL BE THE IMMINENT PRE-TRIBULATION [& MILLENIAL] RAPTURE;

AS TESTIFIED, AFFIRMED & CONFIRMED BY ST. EPHREM, THE HISTORIC APOSTLE OF ORTHODOX SYRIAN JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY, IN THE 300s AD:

"FOR ALL THE SAINTS AND ELECT OF GOD ARE GATHERED, PRIOR TO THE TRIBULATION THAT IS TO COME, AND ARE TAKEN TO THE LORD LEST THEY SEE THE CONFUSION THAT IS TO OVERWHELM THE WORLD BECAUSE OF OUR SINS."--ST. EPHREM 2;9 (SEE 1 THESS. 4:13-18) !

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News Item12/30/09 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Authorized by who, Tony, and others? Certainly not by God, It is [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglicanism]]]Anglicanism[/URL]'s baby, and many of the [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Dissenters]]]English Dissenters[/URL] were/are much more Christian than they, no the [A]nglican [V]ersion (Laodicean church that created a Sardis Bible!) is a poor Bible that isn't in contemporary English. I'm not that looked into the [URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL], which is the most accurate Bible around.

Ah, yes, the speech of some the [URL=http://www.raptureme.com/rr-kjvo.html]]]King James Onlyism[/URL] movement (or sometimes cult)

Colossians 4
6 Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned, as it were, with salt, so that you may know how you should respond to each person.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

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News Item12/30/09 11:40 AM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
John Clark wrote:
What was the purpose of this hysterical rant against Jim Lincoln? It appears to be an attack on Mr. Lincoln for his use of a NASB instead of KJV, is that correct? If it is something else, it is not made clear by Mr Lopez-Cisneros what is the cause of his hysteria. Mr. Lopez-Cisneros, what is your point?
Hmmm? What Was The Purpose Of This Hysterical Rant Against Tony Lopez-Cisneros ?

It Appears To Be An Attack On ALL Those Who Hold The Reliable & Historic Authorized English Translation Of The Authorized Holy Bible Scriptures (The King James Bible) Over The UNRELIABLE & CORRUPT Unauthorized English Translation Of The CORRUPTED Manuscripts "Bible" (The NASB) ! ! !

THE SATANIC-VATICANIST "JESUIT(IC)S" WHO POST ON THIS SERMONAUDIO WEBSITE ARE AT IT AGAIN ! ! ! ! ! !

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News Item12/29/09 10:31 AM
Ell Woman  Find all comments by Ell Woman
Steam roller, Scott McMahan & Rob Couldn't agree more.
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News Item12/28/09 5:32 PM
John Clark | Illinois  Find all comments by John Clark
Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
Amen. And I Wonder If "Jim Lincoln" Will EVER Ask The Authorized Biblical LORD JESUS CHRIST & HIS TRUE Authorized Holy-Bible-ONLY CATHOLIC-UNIVERSAL CHURCH For Forgiveness For His (Jim Lincoln's) Satanic-Vatican "Jesuit(ic)" SIN Of APOSTASY From THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE:
THE KING JAMES BIBLE !
What was the purpose of this hysterical rant against Jim Lincoln? It appears to be an attack on Mr. Lincoln for his use of a NASB instead of KJV, is that correct? If it is something else, it is not made clear by Mr Lopez-Cisneros what is the cause of his hysteria. Mr. Lopez-Cisneros, what is your point?
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News Item12/28/09 2:46 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, Charismatics/Pentecostals are theological lightweights, no matter if they can't site every verse of it, they then put those verses into any order that they wish to get the interpretation that they wish, this is why the answer is "No," to [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/qacharismatics.htm]]]A Look at the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement--Is It Biblical?[/URL]. Actually, I notice they can twist Sciptures with the worst of them! [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/apologetics/AP0300W1.htm]]]How Jehovah's Witnesses Twist Scriptures[/URL].

[URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/CHAOS4.HTM]]] Proper Biblical Interpretation[/URL] is almost completely foreign to Pentecostals, It is very sad to say that [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=92206122515]]]Principles of Bible Interpretation[/URL] is as foreign to them as it is, the Jehovah Witnesses.

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News Item12/28/09 11:54 AM
rob  Find all comments by rob
Whale says look out for Big Boo boos.
Whale, hello, boo-boos are little cuts one covers with a bandaid. The WoF mvmt is full of heresy. That would be SIN open rebellion. Calling ourselves little gods?
SIN. Saying God wants us rich? SIN. Saying someone did not get healed because they did not have enough fiath (according to the definition of the faith healer) SIN!
This truly is Another Gospel about another Christ preached by another entity called Satan, another god.
& of course, we'd all better guard our lips.
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News Item12/28/09 11:32 AM
be careful  Find all comments by be careful
Rev. Joel Garrett wrote:
LEAD STORY: by Eric Tiansay
Charismatics Have Highest Levels of 'Biblical Accuracy'
Survey explodes myth that Pentecostals are theological lightweights
Pentecostals are often accused of being emotional and theologically lightweight, but charismatics are "the most biblically astute people." That is the assessment of a leading Christian pollster who found widely varying religious beliefs among the 12 largest denominational groupings in the country.
According to the Barna Research Group (BRG), when it comes to having biblically sound beliefs, adults who
This must presume that getting saved is all about getting a theological degree.....????

"21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

Remember salvation by works does not work.

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News Item12/28/09 11:19 AM
Rev. Joel Garrett | Texas  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rev. Joel Garrett
LEAD STORY: by Eric Tiansay

Charismatics Have Highest Levels of 'Biblical Accuracy'

Survey explodes myth that Pentecostals are theological lightweights

Pentecostals are often accused of being emotional and theologically lightweight, but charismatics are "the most biblically astute people." That is the assessment of a leading Christian pollster who found widely varying religious beliefs among the 12 largest denominational groupings in the country.

According to the Barna Research Group (BRG), when it comes to having biblically sound beliefs, adults who attend charismatic and nondenominational Protestant churches emerged "at the top of the continuum" -- while those attending Catholic or mainline churches ranked at the bottom.

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News Item12/28/09 2:01 AM
Thankful to God | Arkansas  Find all comments by Thankful to God
I grew up in a church where Oral Roberts was openly criticized from the pulpit for a variety of things. While it is certain that he wasn't perfect, it is just as certain that his critics were/are not either. I am thankful for Oral Roberts and others who have reminded us that God is faithful and true to His character and to all His word.
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News Item12/26/09 3:16 PM
John Paul's wife  Find all comments by John Paul's wife
From my understanding, the sacrifice never saved anyone eternally from the deserved punishment for their sins. Hasn't salvation always been through faith in God's grace (at that time they would've looked forward to the promised Messiah who would take away the sins of the world)? The sacrifice of an innocent animal, for the truly repentant would break their heart. I would think the proud of heart would have sacrificed, thinking that their actual act of killing the animal made them holy and righteous before God. (a religion of works--but we have never been able to work our way to God, as Abraham the "father of faith" would know) Then Christ was born, his name meaning Jesus "Yahweh saves"---which was always the point---Yahweh saves. Just some thoughts on this---since I don't have any scriptures here quoted and many of you have knowledge of the original languages. Thank you.
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News Item12/25/09 2:38 PM
Steamroller | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Steamroller
I oppose the Oral Roberts message or any message like his health and wealth gospel. It is "another gospel (Gal. 1:8-9) with another Jesus from what I read in my Bible.
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News Item12/25/09 6:02 AM
Wake Up | Internet  Find all comments by Wake Up
Cezar wrote:
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=110081732292]]]Gregory A. Miller, Dispensations[/URL]
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=126091352506]]]Bryan Denlinger, NonDispensational Christian Cont[/URL]
Dispensations are Biblical. Does anyone still sacrifice to God?
No, because this is the time of Grace.
Now where in the Bible does
it say That.

I offer the same sacrifice that matters - as the old testement belivers did.HIS Grace Alone. Romans 12:1

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News Item12/25/09 4:23 AM
Whale In The Desert | Australia  Find all comments by Whale In The Desert
I enjoyed Oral Roberts whenever i saw him on Television.We are all trying to get to Heaven,some of us make big Boo Boos.We all hope not too many.God will judge us.
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News Item12/24/09 5:14 PM
Cezar | Midwest  Find all comments by Cezar
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=110081732292]]]Gregory A. Miller, Dispensations[/URL]

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=126091352506]]]Bryan Denlinger, NonDispensational Christian Cont[/URL]

Dispensations are Biblical. Does anyone still sacrifice to God?
No, because this is the time of Grace.

John MacArthur needs to be evaluated.

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