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MONDAY, SEP 7, 2009  |  66 comments
Fragment from world's oldest Bible found
A British-based academic has uncovered a fragment of the world's oldest Bible hiding underneath the binding of an 18th-century book.

Nikolas Sarris spotted a previously unseen section of the Codex Sinaiticus, which dates from about AD350, as he was trawling through photographs of manuscripts in the library of St Catherine's Monastery in Egypt.

The Codex, handwritten in Greek on animal skin, is the earliest known version of the Bible. Leaves from the priceless tome are divided between four institutions, including St Catherine's Monastery and the British Library, which has held the largest section of the ancient Bible since the Soviet Union sold its collection to Britain in 1933. ...


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News Item9/14/09 5:26 PM
Anon  Find all comments by Anon
Some interesting reading:

1 John 5:7 and John 1:18 corrupted

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News Item9/14/09 5:45 AM
Old Versonist  Find all comments by Old Versonist
To the following gentlemen

Neil|Tucson
John| UK
Jim Lincoln

Thank you very much for the links! Much appreciated.

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News Item9/13/09 4:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Duh, the only ones who put tradition before reason are those who are part of King James Onlyism and give the same reasons for cult of kjv onlyism as do Catholics do for why they're church is the only true church etc.....
Ha! What a beetroot!

Still chasing those imaginary cultists on Sermonaudio forums eh Jim? Ah well, you'll grow up soon, because if you're a Christian, God will sanctify you, sure.

But if you want to take advice from an ol' turnip, avoid men like Wallace and Grommitt, and Westcott and Hot, and any others who follow these men, especially the Catholics among them.

It's only a matter of time, and I can exercise the utmost patience (longsuffering) because of God's grace which is upon me.

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News Item9/13/09 3:18 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Duh, the only ones who put tradition before reason are those who are part of King James Onlyism and give the same reasons for cult of kjv onlyism as do Catholics do for why they're church is the only true church etc. However, many good reasons have been Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today, so I don't need to repeat them.

OV, I also believe information can be found here, he Ancient Versions of Scripture.

Hidemi, why does the AV get so much wrong such as Genesis 1:1 wrong like so many other verses? No doubt one of the reasons its on the list of Bibles not to get, Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions. Apparently the the later versions have it correct, and the AV is wrong as usual. What does the marginal notes in the KJV say?

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News Item9/13/09 11:13 AM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
AMEN ! Br./Mr. Dispy: Don't Let Those Spiritual "Snakes" & Secret/Covert Satanic-Vatican "Jesuit" "COVENANT-THEOLOGIZED" Codex-SINATICUS & Vaticanus VILLIANS Push Their HERESY & VEILED-Satanic-Vatican-"Jesuit" Reasonings, Arguments, Evasions, Equivocations & Mental Reservations Down Your Biblical-Literailist DISPENSATIONALIST Throat !

THEY'RE ALL REVEALING WHO THEIR REAL SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THEOLOGY IS: AND IT'S NOT OUR LORD, GOD & SAVIOR JESUS OF THE AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE ! NOR ARE THEY "LOOKING FOR(WARD TO) THAT BLESSED HOPE AND THE GLORIOUS APPEARING OF THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST" AT THE SOON-COMING, IMMINENT & IMMEDIATE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE !

REMEMBER, THE "JESUITS" WORK AS MASTER DISSEMBLERS

***MY APOLOGIES TO "John UK" & THOSE WHO ARE NOT SATANIC-VATICAN "JESUITS" !

As Br./Dr. Alberto Rivera-Romero, The Former Satanic-Vatican "Jesuit" & 'Would-Be' "Black-Pope/'Jesuit'-General" Of The Society Of [SATAN] Revealed To The WHOLE World From The '70s to '90s--Via Chick Publications:

*That The "Jesuits" Will EVEN Agree With You & 99% Of The TRUTH, Arguing Like THE DEVIL & Advocating You & 99% Of THE TRUTH; Just To Curry Your FAVOR: WHILE HAVING YOU BELIEVE & SPREAD THEIR 1% LIE(S) AND-OR ERROR(S) !

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News Item9/13/09 10:03 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
parrotfashion wrote:
Breaking Bad Habits
Squawk...I only repeat the anti-KJV mantra...the Reformers had a bad bible... Spurgeon had the wrong text...millions came to Christ with the wrong text...I am a Parrot...squawk
Good ol' Polly

Squawk Squawk

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News Item9/13/09 8:01 AM
parrotfashion  Find all comments by parrotfashion
John UK wrote:
The squawking parrot Jim Lincoln, I notice, is still referring to good Christian men here on this forum as KJV-onlyists! Wow, that's one of biggest strawmen I've ever seen built on SermonAudio. I don't know how he has the audacity to continue with his ridiculous squawking statements.
Breaking Bad Habits

Squawk...I only repeat the anti-KJV mantra...the Reformers had a bad bible... Spurgeon had the wrong text...millions came to Christ with the wrong text...I am a Parrot...squawk

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News Item9/13/09 5:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Old Versionist wrote:
Gentlemen
Some of you have been quoting from the older Bibles which predated the KJV. I would be interested to know any links to websites where I might find the text of these Bibles online.
Can you help please?
Thank you in advance for your help.
For there are three which beare recorde in heauen, the father, the worde, and the holy ghost, and these three are one.
1 John 5:7
THE BISHOPS BIBLE 1568

Hope this helps, Old Versionist.

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News Item9/12/09 8:01 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
OVist: See facsimiles at http://www.thedcl.org/bible/index.html. The 1560 Geneva is illustrated, so this practice long antedates modern "children's" editions.
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News Item9/12/09 7:52 PM
Old Versionist  Find all comments by Old Versionist
Gentlemen

Some of you have been quoting from the older Bibles which predated the KJV. I would be interested to know any links to websites where I might find the text of these Bibles online.

Can you help please?

Thank you in advance for your help.

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News Item9/12/09 6:48 PM
Hidemi Williges | San Francisco, CA  Find all comments by Hidemi Williges
The funny thing that Jim doesn't mention is how the Nasb totally gets the first verse of Genesis wrong. Verse 1 says "Heavens" and yet in verse 8, it says "God called the expanse Heaven". And in verse 9 it says "Heavens" again. So which is it Jim? The KJV got it right.

The NLT changes "Heaven" to "sky".
The NKJV makes the same error as the NASB.
The NIV Changes "Heaven" to "sky"
The Amplified follows the Nasb.

Since some of these modern versions do not agree with each other, they can't all be right.

Another example is Hebrews 4:8. The KJV says:
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Yet, the NASB says "Joshua". After reading the chapter it cannot be "Joshua" What sayeth thou, Jim?

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News Item9/12/09 6:06 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Hidemi Williges wrote:
Hey John,
Don't forget this one;
(Bishops) For there are three which beare recorde in heauen, the father, the worde, and the holy ghost, and these three are one.
Thank you Hidemi

And here's another one from a so-called KJV-onlyist.

For there are thre which beare recorde in heauen: the father, the worde, and the holy goost, & these thre are one.
1 John 5:7 Miles Coverdale Bible 1531

Oh I do love all these translations, and am glad that the King James updated all the difficult spellings and became the most easy to read Bible in the whole world (according to the Flesch-Kincaid grammar test).

The squawking parrot Jim Lincoln, I notice, is still referring to good Christian men here on this forum as KJV-onlyists! Wow, that's one of biggest strawmen I've ever seen built on SermonAudio. I don't know how he has the audacity to continue with his ridiculous squawking statements.

Maybe he gets paid with pieces-of-eight from Zonderfan or Nelson or some other big money-grubbing publisher.

Now Jim, think FILTHY LUCRE or FINANCIAL GAIN, and meditate on these things for five years until you see with your eyes, hear with your ears, and turn and repent.

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News Item9/12/09 5:09 PM
Hidemi Williges | San Francisco, CA  Find all comments by Hidemi Williges
All the dupes of satan try to usurp the faith and beliefs of many especially the naive and new believers. First, challenge their Bibles and then challenge their faith. As satan said "hath God said"
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News Item9/12/09 4:28 PM
Duh  Find all comments by Duh
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Why yes, John UK, thanks to King James Onlyism, I found that the AV is a Catholicized Bible with what one could call Catholic New Testament Apocrypha, [like the word "Bishop",Hidemi, another Catholicism pushed by King Jas.]...
Jim

Yada, Yada, Yada...

Your either an unthinking parrot or a really annoying broken record!

Either way your wrong!

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News Item9/12/09 4:11 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why yes, John UK, thanks to King James Onlyism, I found that the AV is a Catholicized Bible with what one could call Catholic New Testament Apocrypha, [like the word "Bishop",Hidemi, another Catholicism pushed by King Jas.]

Oh, yes, John, UK, why do I want a Bible that has been added to by non-inspired Catholic scribes, like the KJV? The Textual Problem in 1 John 5:7-8. I guess I will have to set the good example that Dr. Wallace used when he pointed out, Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today. Though I'm beginning to think James White had the better idea on The King James Only Movement. You fellows really need to pick up a New American Standard Bible, so you'll know what God did say, or at least have a better idea. Comparing Bible Translations--Conclusions.

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News Item9/12/09 6:58 AM
Hidemi Williges | San Francisco, CA  Find all comments by Hidemi Williges
Hey John,

Don't forget this one;

(Bishops) For there are three which beare recorde in heauen, the father, the worde, and the holy ghost, and these three are one.

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News Item9/12/09 1:35 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Of course, a good translation will have:

This is Jhesus Crist, that cam bi watir and blood; not in water oonli, but in watir and blood. And the spirit is he that witnessith, that Crist is treuthe. For thre ben, that yyuen witnessing in heuene, the Fadir, the Sone, and the Hooli Goost; and these thre ben oon. 8 `And thre ben, that yyuen witnessing in erthe, the spirit, water, and blood; and these thre ben oon. If we resseyuen the witnessing of men, the witnessing of God is more; for this is the witnessing of God, that is more, for he witnesside of his sone.
1 John 5:6-9 Wycliffe Bible 1395

Oops, there's another good Bible I've quoted, that makes three now! Surely I can't be a King James Onlyism can I?

Well, according to Jim Lincoln I am, but then, who on earth is Jim Lincoln? A modern-version onlyist!

Ha! It's getting to a larf-a-minute again.

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News Item9/11/09 6:51 PM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
Jim/Gil wrote: "The (AV) translators wanted the Bible in contemporary English!"

But I don't think they wanted a Bible in contemporary English based on corrupted, tampered with manuscripts or texts prepared by men (like Bruce Metzger) who admittedly don't believe most of what's in Scripture.

BTW - My new TBS Classic Concord AV arrived today and I LOVE it. I can't wait to dig into it tonight and attempt to read all of that incomprehensible language (according to Jim/Gil) and obsolete verbiage (according to Jim/Gil) that has so blessed my soul and been a glowing light unto my feet for most of my life!

Jim/Gil, you don't know what you are missing.

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News Item9/11/09 6:27 PM
Duh  Find all comments by Duh
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Duh! apparently you didn't read the Dean Burgon: The Greatest Enemy of King James Onlyism article did you? He would be against the KJV only position as much as any other scholar.....
For someone who is always harping on about comprehensibility, you sure have a problem understanding simple posts. READ my posts again JIM!! I KNOW THAT BURGON WAS NO KJV ONLYIST!!!!

Guess what Jim - nor have I read in these exchanges any posts by KJV onlyists. You are aiming at a straw man, because that is what you are best at.

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News Item9/11/09 3:40 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Of course, a good translation will have:

This is that Iesus Christ that came by water and blood: not by water onely, but by water and blood: and it is that Spirit, that beareth witnesse: for that Spirit is trueth. For there are three, which beare recorde in heauen, the Father, the Worde, and the holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three, which beare record in the earth, the spirit, and the water and the blood: and these three agree in one. If we receiue the witnesse of men, the witnesse of God is greater: for this is the witnesse of God, which he testified of his Sonne.
1 John 5:6-9 Geneva Bible 1587

Ooooer, I've just quoted from two good translations.

Can't be a KJV-onlyism, can I?

Not that Jim will acknowledge that, being blinkered and all, and a follower of the wretched 'modern scholar' Bruce Metzger.

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