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TUESDAY, SEP 1, 2009  |  17 comments
Few Americans Attend House Churches, Survey Reveals
While worshipping in house churches is common in many countries, it appears that only a small number of Americans participate in this form of local church in the strictest sense.

Only three to six percent of all adult Americans say they are a “part of a group of believers that meets regularly in a home or place other than a church building” that is “not part of a typical church” and is self-governed, according to the latest report by The Barna Group.

But when the California-based research firm broadened the definition of what constitutes a house church, the number of people saying they have attended one in the past month jumped to as high as 33 percent. ...


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News Item9/4/09 4:48 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, whenever did I say the church is a building?
I think it was implied when you said:

Jim Lincoln wrote:
House churches are just for beginning Christian groups or in lands where Christians are persecuted as in Islamic and Communist countries. None of the seven churches mentioned in the book of Revelation, or in Paul's letters appear to be house churches.
Of course, there is but one body of Christ. But local assemblies of christians still here on the earth meet together (or ought to, anyway) to worship the Lord and remember his death every Lord's Day.

In fact, this is the meaning implied in the article you reference on "What to Look For in a Church," which never asks the most important question:

What is the purpose of christians gathering together each Lord's Day? If they say anything other than to show the Lord's death till he come, you know they have not really thought through the purpose of their meetings, and conduct their services based on the traditions of men, rather than basing their conduct on the word of God and conducting their meetings as led by the Holy Spirit rather than paid "ministry staff" as though they were a company rather than part of the body whose head is Christ.

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News Item9/4/09 2:30 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, whenever did I say the church is a building? House churches should meet outside in any weather because they don't have enough sense to come out of the rain?

Hebrews 12
23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 and to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better than [that of] Abel.

[Scofield Note 1917]
[1] {church}

Church (true), Summary: The true church, composed of the whole number
of regenerate persons from Pentecost to the first resurrection
# 1Co 15:52
united together and to Christ by the baptism with the Holy
Spirit
# 1Co 12:12,13
is the body of Christ of which He is the Head
# Eph 1:22,23
As such, it is a holy temple for the habitation of God
through the Spirit
# Eph 2:21,22
is "one flesh" with Christ
# Eph 5:30,31
and espoused to Him as a chaste virgin to one husband
# 2Co 11:2-4

[URL=http://www.ihcc.org/article_print.php?art_id=Zv7awnJDyLgSEOEmxSsb96E29]]]What to Look for in a Church[/URL] and [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=sermonssource&sermonID=1070414423]]]The Truth Behind The Church's Purpose[/URL].

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News Item9/3/09 2:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Mr. Dispy wrote:
Ah, indeed again! This is it exactly!
Psalm 107......
Oh yes indeedy, Mr Dispy, my testimony is found right here in this wonderful psalm:-

Fools because of their transgression, and because of their iniquities, are afflicted. Their soul abhorreth all manner of meat; and they draw near unto the gates of death. Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses. He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men! And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.
Psalms 107:17-22 KJV

PRAISE GOD

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News Item9/3/09 1:18 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
Witness wrote:
If ONLY people would understand that the Church is NOT a building, but born again, Spirit led, Redeemed, human beings, we could move on and become the salt and light that Jesus speaks of in the Gospels. We are to be a holy people - a Godly people.
Ah, indeed again! This is it exactly!

Psalm 107:1-8
"O give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Let the redeemed of the LORD say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;
And gathered them out of the lands, from the east, and from the west, from the north, and from the south.
They wandered in the wilderness in a solitary way; they found no city to dwell in.
Hungry and thirsty, their soul fainted in them.
Then they cried unto the LORD in their trouble, and he delivered them out of their distresses.
And he led them forth by the right way, that they might go to a city of habitation.
Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!"

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News Item9/3/09 12:05 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Witness wrote:
If ONLY people would understand that the Church is NOT a building, but born again, Spirit led, Redeemed, human beings, we could move on and become the salt and light that Jesus speaks of in the Gospels. We are to be a holy people - a Godly people. As long as we think of the Church as a building, we will think in terms of programs, organizational structure, budgets, numbers. Since when does the Gospel require money? The Gospel is witnessing to a lost world the power of God to save. We do that verbally, and by the way we live our lives. Whenever and wherever I go, I look for an opportunity to speak of the Lord. I'm not paid to do that. I do it because He is my Beloved and it just comes out. Anyone does this when they share a story of a loved one. It is no different sharing the love of our Lord Jesus Christ in our conversations with others.
I love this post and the poster. The gospel needs no money! Too true! The early church had nothing in the way of human resources, but a great anointing of the Holy Ghost, with a real genuine love for Jesus Christ, and a concern for souls lost in sin.

You've refreshed my soul today, ol' bean!

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News Item9/3/09 11:31 AM
Witness  Find all comments by Witness
Arlyss wrote:
That was people Jim, you know flesh and blood.
NOT bricks and mortar!
So they met in a convenient building out of the rain; - called a house!
The 200 hundred year old building in the centre of town with a spire, is a modern ideology - NOT from Scripture.
[URL=http://www.3dlinks.com/IMAGES/GALLERY/thumbs10/cartoon_house02_thumb_by_Pixel_Reborn.jpg]]]The House[/URL]
If ONLY people would understand that the Church is NOT a building, but born again, Spirit led, Redeemed, human beings, we could move on and become the salt and light that Jesus speaks of in the Gospels. We are to be a holy people - a Godly people. As long as we think of the Church as a building, we will think in terms of programs, organizational structure, budgets, numbers. Since when does the Gospel require money? The Gospel is witnessing to a lost world the power of God to save. We do that verbally, and by the way we live our lives. Whenever and wherever I go, I look for an opportunity to speak of the Lord. I'm not paid to do that. I do it because He is my Beloved and it just comes out. Anyone does this when they share a story of a loved one. It is no different sharing the love of our Lord Jesus Christ in our conversations with others.
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News Item9/3/09 10:07 AM
Arlyss  Find all comments by Arlyss
Jim Lincoln wrote:
the Church started at Acts 2:4, or the very latest by Acts 10:44. Ekklesia never means Church until Acts 2.
That was people Jim, you know flesh and blood.
NOT bricks and mortar!
So they met in a convenient building out of the rain; - called a house!

The 200 hundred year old building in the centre of town with a spire, is a modern ideology - NOT from Scripture.

[URL=http://www.3dlinks.com/IMAGES/GALLERY/thumbs10/cartoon_house02_thumb_by_Pixel_Reborn.jpg]]]The House[/URL]

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News Item9/2/09 5:41 PM
Hidemi Williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by Hidemi  Williges
The Church is never about some old building but the gathering of believers. I believe that the Churches then were house Churches. Scripture doesn't indicate otherwise.
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News Item9/2/09 5:24 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
Which fella wrote:
Dispy
Who did Paul leave in Crete.???
Oops, you're right, I meant to say Titus!
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News Item9/2/09 2:58 PM
Which fella  Find all comments by Which fella
Mr. Dispy wrote:
Actually, this is about how Paul had Timothy organize the assemblies in Crete. I would say it is not hard at all, since there is nary a word there about where they meet. Most assemblies that meet in purchased buildings contain a high percentage of unbelievers and are disorderly.
Dispy
Who did Paul leave in Crete.???
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News Item9/2/09 2:54 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Oh, Mr. Dispy, and here we do agree on one thing, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5504173329]]]Dispensations[/URL]. If a church isn't organized then why did the the Apostle Paul under divine inspiration say,
Titus 1
5. For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that were wanting, and appoint elders in every city, as I gave thee charge;
6. if any man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having children that believe, who are not accused of riot or unruly.
7 For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-willed, not soon angry, no brawler, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre;
8 but given to hospitality, as lover of good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled;
9 holding to the faithful word which is according to the teaching, that he may be able to exhort in the sound doctrine, and to convict the gainsayers.
Now, that's hard to do in a house church isn't it?
Actually, this is about how Paul had Timothy organize the assemblies in Crete. I would say it is not hard at all, since there is nary a word there about where they meet. Most assemblies that meet in purchased buildings contain a high percentage of unbelievers and are disorderly.
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News Item9/2/09 2:20 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Oh, Mr. Dispy, and here we do agree on one thing, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=5504173329]]]Dispensations[/URL]. If a church isn't organized then why did the the Apostle Paul under divine inspiration say,
Titus 1
5. For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that were wanting, and appoint elders in every city, as I gave thee charge;
6. if any man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having children that believe, who are not accused of riot or unruly.
7 For the bishop must be blameless, as God's steward; not self-willed, not soon angry, no brawler, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre;
8 but given to hospitality, as lover of good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled;
9 holding to the faithful word which is according to the teaching, that he may be able to exhort in the sound doctrine, and to convict the gainsayers.

Now, that's hard to do in a house church isn't it?

Arlyss, the Church started at Acts 2:4, or the very latest by Acts 10:44. Ekklesia never means Church until Acts 2. [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=7605104925]]]The Biblical Doctrine of the Church[/URL]

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News Item9/2/09 10:51 AM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
John Yurich USA wrote:
I agree with Jim Lincoln that house churches are just for churches just starting out with a small number of congregants and are just for churches in countries where there is persecution such as in China and the Islamic nations.
And you cite just as much scripture as Jim Lincoln did in support of your opinion.

That is, none.

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News Item9/2/09 4:37 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
I agree with Jim Lincoln that house churches are just for churches just starting out with a small number of congregants and are just for churches in countries where there is persecution such as in China and the Islamic nations.
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News Item9/1/09 3:41 PM
Arlyss  Find all comments by Arlyss
Jim Lincoln wrote:
#1. House churches are just for beginning Christian groups or in lands where Christians are persecuted as in Islamic and Communist countries.

#2. None of the seven churches mentioned in the book of Revelation, or in Paul's letters appear to be house churches.

Jim;
Your #2 contradicts #1???

Or do you teach that the church started BEFORE the NT was written!!!

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News Item9/1/09 3:29 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
Jim Lincoln wrote:
House churches are just for beginning Christian groups or in lands where Christians are persecuted as in Islamic and Communist countries. None of the seven churches mentioned in the book of Revelation, or in Paul's letters appear to be house churches.
Jim, do you have any scriptural basis for any of your assertions, or is this just the expression of your own opinions and thoughts?

There are several passages which refer to the assemblies in certain places meeting in someone's house, including Rom. 16:4-5, 1 Cor. 16:19, Col. 4:15, and Philemon 2. And of course there are passages that seem to indicate the early Jewish believers commonly met at the synagogue, though it seems likely that they ceased to meet in those places when the Jewish persecutions began in earnest.

What are the passages that indicate any NT assemblies purchased buildings set aside for meeting on the Lord's Day? I have never read of that being a common practice until the 4th century, when Constantine co-opted the church as the state religion and introduced much of the ruin that is with us to this day, but maybe I have overlooked something.

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News Item9/1/09 2:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
House churches are just for beginning Christian groups or in lands where Christians are persecuted as in Islamic and Communist countries. None of the seven churches mentioned in the book of Revelation, or in Paul's letters appear to be house churches.
Amer. Tract Dictionary (1859) wrote:
CHURCH:

The Greek word translated church signifies generally an assembly, either common or religious; and it is sometimes so translated, as in Ac 19:32,39. In the New Testament it usually means a congregation of religious worshippers, either Jewish, as Ac 7:38, or Christians, as Mt 16:18 1Co 6:4. The latter sense is the more common one; and it is thus used in a twofold manner, denoting,
1. The universal Christian church: either the invisible church, consisting of those whose names are written in heaven, whom God knows, but whom we cannot infallibly know, Heb 12:23; or the visible church, made up of the professed followers of Christ on earth, Col 1:24 1Ti 3:5,15
2. A particular church or body of professing believers, who meet and worship together in one place; as the churches of Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Philippi, etc., to which Paul addressed epistles.

It seems many were big enough to have a body of elders, and were not entirely blood related.
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