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FRONT PAGE  |  10/21/2019
MONDAY, AUG 10, 2009  |  5 comments
Lutheran groups spar over inclusion of gay pastors
Thousands of Lutherans will gather in Minneapolis on August 17 to take a historic vote on LGBT issues within the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA).

The church-wide ELCA assembly will decide whether openly gay pastors in committed relationships can lead church congregations and whether the church will pass a ‚Äúsocial statement‚ÄĚ to soften its stance on homosexuality. If the measures pass, the ELCA would become the largest religious denomination in the United States to ordain gay pastors. ...


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Refuge from wicked shepherds  Find all comments by Refuge from wicked shepherds
mark m. wrote:
At some point "church" will be a man, his family, and a couple of neighbors if we're lucky.
Luck has nothing to do with it but it is certainly a blessing!
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News Item8/10/09 8:55 PM
mark m. | GA in Obamaland  Contact via emailFind all comments by mark m.
At some point "church" will be a man, his family, and a couple of neighbors if we're lucky. It is a good thing that Jesus is present when two people gather in his name, because two people may be the only Bible believing congregation that one can come up with. I know that is totally alarmist, but it isn't far from the truth.
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News Item8/10/09 12:40 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
Bringing these things up for any discussion or debate is at best "ludicrous" and at worst "total wickedness." As has already been said, God has determined the matter already, therefore, the only thing to do is to willingly submit to His determination. That is really what this debate is about, i.e. "shall we, or shall we not, submit to God, who has already spoken plainly concerning this matter in the Scriptures?"

There are really two factors to consider here. The first being, what God has spoken concerning the subject; the second is, are pastors ordained by men or by God. Obviously, if those ordained by men act contrary to what God has spoken, then that ordination of God is wanting. If that is wanting then they have no authority to speak in God's name, nor are they in any sense instruments of God's Spirit.

"...on this principle depends all the authority of the teachers in the Church; for as it is only from the word of God that we must learn wisdom, we ought not to listen to any other persons than those by whose mouth God speaks. And it ought to be observed, that though religion was greatly corrupted and almost destroyed among the Jews, still they always held this principle, that no man was a lawful teacher, unless he had been sent by God." (John Calvin - Commentary of John)

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News Item8/10/09 11:08 AM
Scaffie  Find all comments by Scaffie
"The church-wide ELCA assembly will decide whether openly gay pastors in committed relationships can lead church congregations"

I assume like the Church of Scotland the Lutheran assembly will commence this debate with the announcement....

"DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOW HOW TO READ THE BIBLE?"

Obviously these Lutherans don't know Martin Luther.

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News Item8/10/09 10:32 AM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
It hardly needs mentioning, but since I find myself busy warning against denominationalism the last few days, let me add this to the list of evidence in the folder, "The Dangers of Denominationalism."

Such matters are not decided by votes, but by the Word of God.

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