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FRONT PAGE  |  7/21/2019
TUESDAY, JUL 28, 2009  |  31 comments
Recession crimps budgets, U.S. church services
Michael Newberry's refusal to seek financial assistance from his church isn't because he wouldn't love to - it's because the place known for its giving needs help itself.

The 52-year-old member of Grace Evangelical Lutheran Church has remained jobless, though he has interviewed for 25 to 30 jobs in the past nine months - evidence of the nation's recession. Mr. Newberry said he suffers from a leg disease that keeps him on crutches. He receives financial help from the government, including food stamps, but when it comes to asking for help from the Northwest Washington church, he doesn't bother.

"I know there have been people who have been helped, but I know there have been some that have been turned away because there's just not enough money," Mr. Newberry said. "There's barely enough money to keep the lights on sometimes." ...


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News Item7/31/09 3:12 PM
info  Find all comments by info
An addition to my last post. You can buy a Statenvertaling Dutch Bible from the Trinitarian Bible Society in the U.K. I hope this info has been helpful to you.
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News Item7/31/09 3:12 PM
djc49 | at the library  Find all comments by djc49
John UK wrote:
{{{RE: http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/rootevil.htm..}}}

What an excellent scholarly, biblically accurate and detailed argument for the CORRECT translation of our text in hand. Magnificent!

Come on DJ, have a read, and learn something today about how good the translators of the King James Bible really were. Their product was nothing short of incredible, which no modern scholar can even get close to

And please don't be embarassed about being wrong, but in humility, accept the truth and make more progress in one day than you've made in ten years. I'm not kidding, eh?

Unfortunately, *John UK*, the library computers have that website {{{http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/rootevil.htm..}}} under restriction. Why, I don't know.
Ergo, I will not be able to give it a good read! (I would love to be able to read it -- I feel "cheated")

_____

John UK wrote:
... New Age tendencies of the NASB ...
Diagnosis: Stage IV of *KJVOsis* has set in.
Prognosis: Advanced stages of paranoia due to the onset of *Conspiracitis* soon to follow.
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News Item7/31/09 2:12 PM
info  Find all comments by info
John Paul wrote:
If the Dutch translators translated the dutch bible from the English KJV 1611, is it a valid translation? Are we Dutch using the wrong version? Should I purchase a dutch bible translated from the KJV, and if so, can anyone give me a British Publishing House that has done this. I wouldn't trust an American one because American English is different from British English.
The Statenvertaling Dutch Bible was translated from the same texts as the KJV.

"This is the Statenvertaling (State Translation) Dutch Bible. This was the first official Bible translation into Dutch, based on the OT Masoretic Text and the NT Textus Receptus. Published in 1635, the Statenvertaling had a great influence in the standardization of the Dutch language in the 17th century, as well as the cultural unification of the Netherlands. This version is still in use today after four centuries..."

[URL=http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/wb/dut/index.htm]]]http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/wb/dut/index.htm[/URL]

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News Item7/31/09 12:51 AM
Hidemi Williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by Hidemi  Williges
John Paul wrote:
Someone, please help me with my confusion. If the Dutch translators translated the dutch bible from the English KJV 1611, is it a valid translation? Are we Dutch using the wrong version? Should I purchase a dutch bible translated from the KJV, and if so, can anyone give me a British Publishing House that has done this. I wouldn't trust an American one because American English is different from British English.
Try this site.

www.ethnicharvest.org/bibles/dutch.htm

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News Item7/31/09 12:41 AM
John Paul  Find all comments by John Paul
Someone, please help me with my confusion. If the Dutch translators translated the dutch bible from the English KJV 1611, is it a valid translation? Are we Dutch using the wrong version? Should I purchase a dutch bible translated from the KJV, and if so, can anyone give me a British Publishing House that has done this. I wouldn't trust an American one because American English is different from British English.
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News Item7/30/09 5:58 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Bro. John, if I am to avoid eyestrain looking for New Age doctrines in the NASB, I'll need some help. I seem to be having trouble finding them.
Before you begin to look for them in the NASB, you have to both know and understand what the New Age/New World Order/Age of Aquarius stands for, Mike. Then you will see and understand that not only the NASB, but most of the modern versions, are all paving the way for this anti-God system. If you've got a couple of hours every night for a couple of years, you might just start scratching the surface of what's going on behind the scenes.

Tell you what, bro. After the summer, if I've got enough energy and time, I'll post every night on the corruptions and New Age tendencies of the NASB and other modern versions.

You'll be ABSOLUTELY amazed at what's going on in the name of religion and the Bible today. I kid you not!

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News Item7/30/09 5:56 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
Mike wrote:
Bro. John, if I am to avoid eyestrain looking for New Age doctrines in the NASB, I'll need some help. I seem to be having trouble finding them.
I have had trouble trying to find the many words and verses that are missing entirely from the NASB.

1timothy6 10:
Thanks for the link!

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News Item7/30/09 5:22 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
But DJ
---
And you have the bold as brass nerve to promote and encourage folks to read the NASB, which is one of the worst "Bibles" ever invented by modern man to promote the New Age ethic and doctrines.
---
Bro. John, if I am to avoid eyestrain looking for New Age doctrines in the NASB, I'll need some help. I seem to be having trouble finding them.
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News Item7/30/09 4:23 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
1timothy6 10 wrote:
[URL=http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/rootevil.html]]]http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/rootevil.htm..[/URL]
What an excellent scholarly, biblically accurate and detailed argument for the CORRECT translation of our text in hand. Magnificent!

Come on DJ, have a read, and learn something today about how good the translators of the King James Bible really were. Their product was nothing short of incredible, which no modern scholar can even get close to.

And please don't be embarassed about being wrong, but in humility, accept the truth and make more progress in one day than you've made in ten years. I'm not kidding, eh?

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News Item7/30/09 3:57 PM
djc49 | at the library  Find all comments by djc49
John UK wrote:
But DJ

I never said that the KJV is not perfect

I said "I've never said that the KJV is a perfect translation"

But that doesn't mean I don't believe the KJV is a perfect translation, does it?

I said "it is without error", and I'm right about that, if you understand what error means

There is a world of difference between a translation which is perfect, a translation which has no errors, and a translation which is translated from a text which has been doctored for the purpose of leading men into false doctrines such as unitarianism

And you have the bold as brass nerve to promote and encourage folks to read the NASB, which is one of the worst "Bibles" ever invented by modern man TO PROMOTE THE NEW AGE ETHIC AND DOCTRINES

Be at peace DJ and get a hold of a King James Bible and BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE WORD OF GOD IN YOUR HAND. It is revolutionary, and will TRANSFORM your life, because you will start to apply God's word with confidence!

Amen!

Oh Brother!

Are you sure that you don't work with Winston Smith in the "Ministry of Truth"? [ George Orwell's '1984' ]
Talk about doublespeak!

_

The NASB "promotes the New Age ethic and doctrines"???
HA! ... that's patent nonsense.

You show symptoms of having KJVOsis!

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News Item7/30/09 3:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
djc49 wrote:
Sorry, *John UK*, but you are trying to have it both ways! You say the KJV is 1) not perfect but 2) without errors. Which is it?
I rest my case with 1 Tim 6:10 as exhibit #37A-226.
But DJ

I never said that the KJV is not perfect.

I said "I've never said that the KJV is a perfect translation".

But that doesn't mean I don't believe the KJV is a perfect translation, does it?

I said "it is without error", and I'm right about that, if you understand what error means.

There is a world of difference between a translation which is perfect, a translation which has no errors, and a translation which is translated from a text which has been doctored for the purpose of leading men into false doctrines such as unitarianism.

And you have the bold as brass nerve to promote and encourage folks to read the NASB, which is one of the worst "Bibles" ever invented by modern man to promote the New Age ethic and doctrines.

Be at peace DJ and get a hold of a King James Bible and BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE WORD OF GOD IN YOUR HAND. It is revolutionary, and will TRANSFORM your life, because you will start to apply God's word with confidence! Amen!

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News Item7/30/09 3:40 PM
1timothy6 10  Find all comments by 1timothy6 10
[URL=http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/rootevil.html]]]http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/rootevil.htm..[/URL]
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News Item7/30/09 3:22 PM
djc49 | at the library  Find all comments by djc49
John UK wrote:
Well Mike, you know a tree has a tap root, the big one, with many smaller roots coming off it?
Money/mammon/power/authority is the tap root from which all other roots come.
Sophistry at its best ... and quite readily appealed to when it comes in defense of the KJV.

Bottom line: the KJV rendition of 1 Tim 6:10 is inferior and needed improving upon. The love of money is the root of ALL KINDS of evil; but not the root of ***ALL*** evil.

_____

John UK wrote:
#4 I've never said the KJV is a PERFECT translation.

#5 The document is called "The Translators to the Reader" and is an excellent document which I own and have read from first word to last. It is this document which thoroughly endeared me to the translation team, a group of humble Christian men whose intention was to make a better Bible than the previous translations available. This they accomplished, producing the most amazing Bible in English this world has ever seen. Unsurpassed with no equal, and WITH NO ERRORS

[ ]

Sorry, *John UK*, but you are trying to have it both ways! You say the KJV is 1) not perfect but 2) without errors. Which is it?

I rest my case with 1 Tim 6:10 as exhibit #37A-226.

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News Item7/29/09 7:38 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
inquisitive, FYI: [URL=http://www.biblestudytools.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=3956&version=kjv]]]NT Lexicon entry for Gk. 'pas'[/URL]

Its remarks are pertinent.

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News Item7/29/09 6:07 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Now John, remember context. In Matthew 6 we are warned against laying up treasures which can be corrupted by moth and rust, and thieves seek to steal. Jesus compares this with laying up treasures in heaven. The first is about things which have temporary monetary value, the second, real treasures with eternal spiritual value. Man cannot serve God and mammon. But Jesus is not saying in this that mammon is the only evil that man might serve rather than serving God. In this context, Matthew writes about treasuring things, stuff. But there are other evils that man serves that have no mammon/money value.
Well Mike, you know a tree has a tap root, the big one, with many smaller roots coming off it?

Money/mammon/power/authority is the tap root from which all other roots come.

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News Item7/29/09 6:01 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Excellent point Jeff.
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Matthew 6:24 KJV
I think you also have seen and understood by the Spirit the meaning of these words 'mammon' and 'money'.
Praise God for divine illumination.
Now John, remember context. In Matthew 6 we are warned against laying up treasures which can be corrupted by moth and rust, and thieves seek to steal. Jesus compares this with laying up treasures in heaven. The first is about things which have temporary monetary value, the second, real treasures with eternal spiritual value. Man cannot serve God and mammon. But Jesus is not saying in this that mammon is the only evil that man might serve rather than serving God. In this context, Matthew writes about treasuring things, stuff. But there are other evils that man serves that have no mammon/money value.
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News Item7/29/09 5:54 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
I must inject a little sarcasm here. Perhaps "love" doesn't mean love; "all" doesn't mean all; "money" doesn't mean money; and "evil" doesn't mean evil. Too literal an interpretation?
Now Mike, you should know that 'filthy lucre' does not mean a grubby dollar bill, nor a tatty five pound note.
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News Item7/29/09 5:46 PM
Hidemi Williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by Hidemi  Williges
Here is what John Gill says;
In composition, evil, denoting something bad or wrong, is often contracted to ill.
It is an immoderate insatiable desire after it, and an inordinate love of it, which is here meant, such as is properly idolatry: as when a man loves it, not only besides, but above God; serves it as if it was God, and places his trust and confidence in it, independent of God, and his providence; such love of it is the source and spring of all iniquity, as above; it was the sin of Judas, and the root of all his iniquity. The phrase is Jewish. So idolatry is said to be עיקר כל עונות, "the root of all iniquities"
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News Item7/29/09 5:23 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Another Jeff wrote:
It does apear that Jesus made a clear statement that if you are not serving God, you are serving mammon. hmmm... ALL or nothing.
Excellent point Jeff.

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Matthew 6:24 KJV

I think you also have seen and understood by the Spirit the meaning of these words 'mammon' and 'money'.

Praise God for divine illumination.

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News Item7/29/09 4:39 PM
inquisitive  Find all comments by inquisitive
djc49 wrote:
The love of money is certainly NOT the root of ***ALL*** evil (as the KJV says), but rather the root of ALL KINDS of evil. Sorry, the KJV translators bungled 1 Tim 6:10.
And when I mentioned the greek, I was referring to WHATEVER greek texts the KJV translators were using. How it reads in English is what concerns me most.
What is the literal translation in English for the Greek word 'pas'?

What are the definitions for the Greek word 'pas'?

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