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THURSDAY, JUL 2, 2009  |  24 comments  |  1 commentary
Hundreds Flock to Boston to Celebrate 500th Calvin Anniversary
Hundreds of Christians have gathered in Boston this week for a four-day event commemorating the influence of the Reformation on Western Civilization over the last half a millennium.

Hosted by Vision Forum Ministries, ‚ÄúReformation 500 Celebration‚ÄĚ will highlight the influence of Reformers on the Church, the family, the state, and the founding of the United States.

‚ÄúReformers like [John] Knox, [Martin] Luther, and [John] Calvin championed the doctrine of Sola Scriptura, opening the door for broad-sweeping cultural reform,‚ÄĚ noted event organizers, listing three of the most influential theologians of the 16th century. ...


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News Item7/10/09 5:30 AM
Congregationalist  Find all comments by Congregationalist
Jim Lincoln wrote:
if the people were very knowledgeable in Christianity and I would quickly add were Christian, than a laity controlled Church has some chance of succeeding, though I don't see where that structure is Biblical.
Sadly this is a common failure in understanding Congregationalism in modern times. Congregationalism (or Independency) is not about democracy. This is a corruption of the original system.

Try reading:

[URL=http://books.google.com/books/pdf/The_Keyes_of_the_Kingdom_of_Heaven.pdf?id=mucRAAAAIAAJ&output=pdf&sig=qOnrsUuz5G4tLni3TZ0s__8HLBU]]] Keys of the Kingdom by John Cotton [/URL]

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News Item7/9/09 7:30 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Jim, just curious, but what kind of polity does IHCC have?
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News Item7/9/09 3:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Congregationalist, perhaps such a system could work, if they had strong [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/article_print.php?art_id=Xp8yadWJKsjgjlfo05fgK3q7H]]]Statement of Faith[/URL] as IHCC does, which by the way is not Congregational in structure. If they had such a statement that wasn't easily amendable it could work. However, the only Christ believing structure that will last will only occur when Christ returns physically to Earth, some just take longer to deteriorate than others.

As I pointed out, Methodists, Scottish Presbyterian Church all have suffered decline, if the people were very knowledgeable in Christianity and I would quickly add were Christian, than a laity controlled Church has some chance of succeeding, though I don't see where that structure is Biblical.

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News Item7/7/09 3:26 PM
A little more light  Find all comments by A little more light
a little light wrote:
This is from the New Testament of the Bible.
Acts 7:58 "And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."
# "Saul" BTW is Paul.
Yes, but Paul was not yet a Christian! So how could he act on Christian principles?
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News Item7/7/09 10:55 AM
a little light  Find all comments by a little light
Hidemi Williges wrote:
Are you kidding me!? As Christians should our actions relating to justice and punishment be meted out in accordance with the OT (Israel) or with the NT? I don't recall reading anywhere that either Paul or Peter participated in the stoning, persecuting or prosecuting people that held other beliefs.
This is from the New Testament of the Bible.

Acts 7:58 "And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

# "Saul" BTW is Paul.

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News Item7/6/09 6:18 PM
Hidemi Williges | san francisco, ca  Find all comments by Hidemi  Williges
Tuff Justice wrote:
Does this mean that in San Francisco you stone a thief to death together with his wife and kids?
As per
"And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.
And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." Josh 7:24f
Boy Justice must be tough in Calafornia.
Are you kidding me!? As Christians should our actions relating to justice and punishment be meted out in accordance with the OT (Israel) or with the NT? I don't recall reading anywhere that either Paul or Peter participated in the stoning, persecuting or prosecuting people that held other beliefs.
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News Item7/6/09 5:37 PM
Tuff Justice  Find all comments by Tuff Justice
hidemi williges wrote:
Biblical values and justice never change. A man's outward actions reveal the true nature of his heart.
Does this mean that in San Francisco you stone a thief to death together with his wife and kids?
As per

"And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.
And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the LORD shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones." Josh 7:24f

Boy Justice must be tough in Calafornia.

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News Item7/6/09 5:19 PM
Congregationalist  Find all comments by Congregationalist
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Actually the Unitarian/Universalist article while excellent, but of course rather not point to [URL=http://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/unitariancontroversy.html]]]The Unitarian Controversy and Its Puritan Roots[/URL] gives some of the reasons, one example:

The simple fact is all too often the weakest links in a Congregational chain, seems to consist of the most socially astute but theologically ignorant people in that chain, as I observed as a former Methodist in a Church that contains similar problems.

The problem of the half-way covenant was directly because of the paedobaptist views of those congregationalists. As ever with paedobaptists, they were trying to accommodate the children in the life of the churches.

Baptists with congregational views of church government did not suffer the same!!

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News Item7/6/09 4:20 PM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Find all comments by hidemi williges
Contending for the Faith wrote:
This will probably shock you!!
BUT
16th century justice and punishment is DIFFERENT to 21st century.
Amazing eh???
Also the people in charge of justice and punishment in 16th century Geneva were CITIZENS; - NOT foreigners from france, like their local minister.
Amazing eh???
Are you from one of the Arminian save yourself churches??
You should study your "institutes of the christian religion" more closely. Regardless of what justice may or may not have been in the 16th century, Biblical values and justice never change. A man's outward actions reveal the true nature of his heart.

You should give your "arminian" name calling a rest.

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News Item7/6/09 2:51 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Congregationalist wrote:

Huh?!!!!!! Care to explain Jim?
Actually the Unitarian/Universalist article while excellent, but of course rather not point to [URL=http://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/unitariancontroversy.html]]]The Unitarian Controversy and Its Puritan Roots[/URL] gives some of the reasons, one example:
excerpt from the article wrote:
in the mid 17th century, many congregations adopted the controversial "Half-Way covenant." The Half-Way covenant granted the privilege of membership to those adults of "upright life" who had been baptized and reared as children in the church, without an account of regeneration. The resultant growth in church membership sufficed to make the Half-Way covenant less controversial.
The simple fact is all too often the weakest links in a Congregational chain, seems to consist of the most socially astute but theologically ignorant people in that chain, as I observed as a former Methodist in a Church that contains similar problems.
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News Item7/5/09 5:14 PM
Contending for the Faith  Find all comments by Contending for the Faith
Pastor Kent wrote:
While Calvin had many good things on theology, most ignore the fact that he would be calling for the death of modern pastors with regard to their views on baptism.
This will probably shock you!!
BUT
16th century justice and punishment is DIFFERENT to 21st century.

Amazing eh???

Also the people in charge of justice and punishment in 16th century Geneva were CITIZENS; - NOT foreigners from france, like their local minister.

Amazing eh???

Are you from one of the Arminian save yourself churches??

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News Item7/5/09 4:40 PM
Pastor Kent | Kansas  Contact via emailFind all comments by Pastor Kent
While Calvin had many good things on theology, most ignore the fact that he would be calling for the death of modern pastors with regard to their views on baptism.
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News Item7/5/09 4:30 PM
Congregationalist  Find all comments by Congregationalist
Jim Lincoln wrote:
You'll also note the Congregational structure of the Puritan Churches, which may have well be part of their undoing.

Huh?!!!!!! Care to explain Jim?

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News Item7/5/09 4:21 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Faithful Remnant, the Southern Anglicans enjoyed their Sunday horse racing, etc. I doubt if the Anglicans of New York and Pennsylvania were all that fond of the Puritanism that was found in New England. Again, Faithful Remnant I will point you to the the article, [URL=http://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/unitariancontroversy.html]]]The Unitarian Controversy and Its Puritan Roots[/URL]. You'll also note the Congregational structure of the Puritan Churches, which may have well be part of their undoing. This is not the structure of the Anglican Church.

John Y., George Washington was a much better Free Mason than he was Christian or in his case Anglican. George was a great Father to his Country with many fine attributes, but Christianity may well not have been one of them.

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News Item7/4/09 4:06 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
I am referring to the Puritans, Jim. Some were part of the Anglican Church, others were congregational and separatist, but they all had the desire to purge the church upon Reformed principles.
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News Item7/4/09 3:51 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
The true church of the American colonies, was the Anglican one, I would hope we wouldn't return to that.
The Anglican Church of Colonial America was biblical compared to the present configuration of the Anglican Church. The Anglican Church should go back to its biblical foundation.
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News Item7/4/09 2:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The true church of the American colonies, was the Anglican one, I would hope we wouldn't return to that. New England went Unitarian, as pointed out in my first message. The influence of the Judeo-Christian tradition in the United States is undeniable, that it was ever Christian can be debated, and of course, the Republic was founded on Masonic principles.
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News Item7/3/09 10:07 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
True founder of america, yes, in a way it is true, or possibly more correctly the founder of what was the original American church...which was basically Reformed in doctrine and practice. Considering the hodgepodge confusion of American christianity today(particularly the charismatic frenzy) shows that the U.S. needs to return to the Reformed faith.
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News Item7/3/09 2:27 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Actually, the ideals of America were spread from that great state of Pennsylvania founded by a Quaker, William Penn. Baptists were wanting protection from the heavy handed Puritans of the New England states. [URL=http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html]]]Reply to Danbury Baptist Association[/URL]. A lot of modern ideas did come from the Puritans, however, John Milton, English Puritan and Poet wanted to make divorce laws much more liberal, under the Protectorate.

Anyway, it was fun reading about some Pennsylvania history! [URL=http://www.chroniclesofamerica.com/quakers/decline_of_quaker_government.htm]]]The Decline Of Quaker Government in Pennsylvania[/URL].

Calvin himself had important theological contributions, not political ones.

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News Item7/3/09 12:30 PM
Shotley  Find all comments by Shotley
Michael Hranek wrote:
"true founder of America?"
As politely as I may....What garbage!
Hidemi Williges wrote:
Absolutely true.
It is somehow so comforting to watch the Arminians reject Calvin and Calvinism. It helps the Reformed Church retain and maintain the light of Biblical Doctrines.

Psalm 36:9 For with thee is the fountain of life: IN THY LIGHT SHALL WE SEE LIGHT.
Amen!!

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