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MONDAY, JUN 29, 2009  |  20 comments
Tests indicate bones are Apostle Paul's, Vatican says
ROME -- The first-ever scientific test on what are believed to be the remains of the Apostle Paul "seems to confirm" that they do indeed belong to the Roman Catholic saint, Pope Benedict XVI said Sunday.

Archaeologists recently unearthed and opened the white marble sarcophagus located under the Basilica of St. Paul's Outside the Walls in Rome, which for about 2,000 years has been believed by the faithful to be the tomb of St. Paul.

Benedict said scientists had conducted carbon dating tests on bone fragments found inside the sarcophagus and confirmed that they date from the 1st or 2nd century. ...


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News Item7/2/09 3:51 PM
Bruce Lantto | Harrisville, Mich  Contact via emailFind all comments by Bruce Lantto
the Apostle Paul a saint, Wrong, even though all blood bought Christians are saints, Paul said O wretched man that I am, who shall deliver me from the body of this death
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News Item7/2/09 1:23 AM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Hi John. Ah well, I use a computer from '98 Talk about a relic!
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News Item7/1/09 3:35 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Hi Mike. Yes, in today's auto culture, I suppose a '99 auto is now a relic.
Hey, steady on FR, mine's a 98 auto!
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News Item7/1/09 1:36 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Hi Mike. Yes, in today's auto culture, I suppose a '99 auto is now a relic.
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News Item7/1/09 9:35 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Yes, something like that. Simply this: Searching for, testing and venerating relics are unheard of among the Christians in the New Testament. I have a "relic" in my home. It's called the Holy Bible and it alone is sufficient.
Does the '99 auto I drive count as a relic?
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News Item7/1/09 12:20 AM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Mike wrote:
We should make no bones about the matter then.
Yes, something like that. Simply this: Searching for, testing and venerating relics are unheard of among the Christians in the New Testament. I have a "relic" in my home. It's called the Holy Bible and it alone is sufficient.
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News Item6/30/09 10:18 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
"...carbon dating tests on bone fragments found inside the sarcophagus and confirmed that they date from the 1st or 2nd century..."

Seems like narrowing it down specifically to the Apostle Paul within the span of two hundred years requires a lot of confidence in speculation. But the Roman Catholic Church is known for this sort of stuff, and the pope is an expert propagandist of superstition...

John Yurich USA wrote:

"If carbon dating tests prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the skeletal remains in that sarcophagus are Saint Paul then there can not be any dispute."

You're kidding right John? Carbon dating cannot prove whose bones they are! And they can't even date them close enough to put it into Paul's lifetime or rather time of death. It's utter nonsense!

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Rev. 18:4

Haven't heard that voice yet John?

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News Item6/30/09 8:07 PM
Hidemi Williges | san francisco, ca  Find all comments by Hidemi  Williges
More outrageous lies from the catholic church.
The idea that they can identify Paul through carbon dating is an absolute falsehood, Even DNA testing couldn't prove that (He wasn't there to give a DNA sample). Considering that science (anthropology) is a load of lies, falsehoods and fantastic delusions.
So it comes as no surprise that the catholic church would pull another item out of its bag of tricks and rely on science to support it's lies once again.
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News Item6/30/09 7:35 PM
Cornball  Find all comments by Cornball
Mike wrote:
We should make no bones about the matter then.
Yuk yuk yuk
Hardy har har
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News Item6/30/09 7:27 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Now if they embraced the reformed faith--the doctrine and practice of the real church(strict faithfulness to Scripture Alone), this would be a non issue.
We should make no bones about the matter then.
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News Item6/30/09 6:24 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Now if they embraced the reformed faith--the doctrine and practice of the real church(strict faithfulness to Scripture Alone), this would be a non issue.
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News Item6/30/09 5:34 PM
Buchanan  Find all comments by Buchanan
John Yurich USA wrote:
If carbon dating tests prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the skeletal remains in that sarcophagus are Saint Paul then there can not be any dispute.
[URL=http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-c14-disprove-the-bible]]]The Truth about Carbon 14 Dating[/URL]
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News Item6/30/09 3:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Even if they were the apostle Paul's bones, what would that mean? We knew that he was in Rome, while the so called first Pope, Peter, never was when he was alive.

By the way, click on the articles above for August 18, 2008 about the shroud of Turin and the Forbes article on relics. There are lots of good information in those.

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News Item6/30/09 10:32 AM
Anchor  Find all comments by Anchor
John Yurich USA wrote:
If carbon dating tests prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the skeletal remains in that sarcophagus are Saint Paul then there can not be any dispute.
"Carbon dating" is a complete load of old baloney!! This is ignorant man's way of rejecting the Creation facts recorded in the Bible. Without faith man does not see these facts.
This is the antichrist popish organisation trying to authenticate its ludicrous "relic worship" idolatrous, mind numbing, futile and stupid heresy.

Gal 5:19 Now the WORKS OF THE FLESH Are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 IDOLATRY, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, HERESIES"

Yurich;
Get out of this satanic organisation now!!!

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News Item6/30/09 10:03 AM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
Tim Etherington wrote:
Paul is not a Roman Catholic saint, he is a saint in the Eastern Orthodox church and in Protestantism (though Protestants mean something different).
The main thing is that he, like all believers, is a saint in God's eyes. Paul was separated for service to God, which is all the word 'saint' means. All true believers are separated to service for God, regardless of what any pope or patriarch or 'divine' thinks or says.

See the many references to 'saints' in the Pauline epistles, in Hebrews, Jude, Revelation...including this one where Paul refers to himself as a saint in the inerrant word:

"Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ" (Eph. 3:8)

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News Item6/30/09 8:49 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Tim Etherington wrote:
What a poorly written article! Paul is not a Roman Catholic saint, he is a saint in the Eastern Orthodox church and in Protestantism (though Protestants mean something different). Also, St. Paul's hasn't been around for 2,000 years so the faithful haven't believed Paul's tomb. That and the fact that Paul hasn't been dead for 2,000 years yet.
Tim Etherington Chicago, IL
Your post reminded me (I was raised in a devote Roman Catholic family, rosary et al) we were NEVER encouraged to believe and hold to what the Holy Spirit moved Paul to write (the doctrine God Himself gave us through Paul).

If anything what God teaches us through him (and the other Apostles too 1 John 5:13 for example, where it contradicts Catholic theology) was maligned and "explained away".

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News Item6/30/09 8:13 AM
Tim Etherington | Chicago, IL  Find all comments by Tim Etherington
What a poorly written article! Paul is not a Roman Catholic saint, he is a saint in the Eastern Orthodox church and in Protestantism (though Protestants mean something different). Also, St. Paul's hasn't been around for 2,000 years so the faithful haven't believed Paul's tomb. That and the fact that Paul hasn't been dead for 2,000 years yet.
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News Item6/30/09 7:58 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
If carbon dating tests prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the skeletal remains in that sarcophagus are Saint Paul then there can not be any dispute.
It is impossible to declare whose bones they were, even if they are old bones.
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News Item6/30/09 7:43 AM
newnature  Find all comments by newnature
John Y, there are a couple of problems with this claim. First, if the bones are from the second century, they cannot be that of the Apostle Paul. All Catholic sources say he died in the first century.
Secondly, this seems to contradict the 8th century Catholic report that Paul's remains were in England {from Bede's ecclesiastical history of England Chapter XXIX, author Bede, St.-the venerable-c.673-735-www.ccel.org/ccel/bede/history.v.iii.xxix.html}
Thus, for the Pope to declare this as a solid confirmation seems to be in error. The 'tradition' has been contested.
So yes, there can indeed be a dispute.
Also, take note of the very first sentence in the article...'seems to confirm'.
{Also, check out www.answersingenesis.org for the accuracy of carbon dating}
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News Item6/30/09 5:55 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
If carbon dating tests prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the skeletal remains in that sarcophagus are Saint Paul then there can not be any dispute.
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