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Choice News MONDAY, JUN 15, 2009  |  187 comments  |  2 commentaries
Pastor who prayed for Tiller's death now prays for death of the president


Wiley Drake

Pastor Wiley Drake prayed that abortionist George Tiller's wife would become a widow. Tiller is now dead. Drake claims that his death is an answer to imprecatory prayer. Now he is praying an imprecatory prayer for the death of our president.

Imprecatory Psalms are psalms that contain curses or prayers for the judgment of a nation's enemies, invoking evil upon them. Psalms 7, 35, 55, 58, 59, 69, 79, 109, 137 and 139 are ones that Drake finds his prayer material in.

Drake repeats words from the book of Psalms in his imprecatory prayers such as Psalm 109:9 where it is written "May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow." This is what he prayed for the late-term abortionist before he was murdered. He says that it is our Christian duty to pray along these vengeful and vindictive lines for religious, political, and personal reasons when other means for change have been exhausted. ...


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News Item7/12/09 5:13 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Cezar wrote:
Hate doesn't mean love....
Oh, and there's me thinking you'd got it taped.

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26 KJV

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:37 KJV

Ah well...

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News Item7/12/09 4:56 PM
Cezar | Midwest  Find all comments by Cezar
John UK wrote:
Excellent! Thank you Cezar!
So 'hate' can also mean 'love', but a sort of 'love less than normal'.
Glad to see you are a confessor, may the Lord bless your efforts as you bear testimony before men.
Hate doesn't mean love.

Everyone needs to confess they know Christ before men.

Matthew 10: 32-33 (KJV)
32: Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33: But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

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News Item7/12/09 3:31 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Cezar wrote:
These are the verses you're looking for.
Matthew 10: 32-37 (KJV)
32: Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33: But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35: For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36: And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37: He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
You're not worthy of God if you love anyone or anything above Him.
I love my God above all else and confess Him before men.
Excellent! Thank you Cezar!

So 'hate' can also mean 'love', but a sort of 'love less than normal'.

Glad to see you are a confessor, may the Lord bless your efforts as you bear testimony before men.

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News Item7/12/09 2:59 PM
nodoubtaboutit  Find all comments by nodoubtaboutit
John UK wrote:
So God hated Esau, eh?
Absolutely!

Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

The Hebrew word for 'hated' is 'śânê'
Definition:
A primitive root; to hate (personally): - enemy, foe, (be) hate (-ful, -r), odious, X utterly.

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News Item7/12/09 2:39 PM
Cezar | Midwest  Find all comments by Cezar
John UK wrote:
So God hated Esau, eh?
Well let me ask you a question, Cezar:
Do YOU hate your wife (or husband), your children (if any), your father and mother, your brothers and sisters, and your own self also, thus showing yourself to be a disciple of Jesus? (cf. Luke 14:26 KJV)
Or do you think we might have to understand the word 'hate' in a different light?
These are the verses you're looking for.

Matthew 10: 32-37 (KJV)
32: Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33: But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35: For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36: And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37: He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

You're not worthy of God if you love anyone or anything above Him.
I love my God above all else and confess Him before men.

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News Item7/12/09 5:53 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Cezar wrote:
I'm also not sure where some of you get the idea that it's all about love.
God hated Esau.
God is a jealous God and on and on. Start reading your Bibles and stop spreading lies.
So God hated Esau, eh?

Well let me ask you a question, Cezar:

Do YOU hate your wife (or husband), your children (if any), your father and mother, your brothers and sisters, and your own self also, thus showing yourself to be a disciple of Jesus? (cf. Luke 14:26 KJV)

Or do you think we might have to understand the word 'hate' in a different light?

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News Item7/12/09 1:50 AM
Cezar | Midwest  Find all comments by Cezar
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=81307133219]]]Imprecatory Prayers - Scott A. Johnson[/URL]

Imprecatory prayers have much merit in a Christians' life.

Ephesians, 4:26 (KJV)
26: Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

2 Timothy 4:14 (KJV)
14: Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:

I'm not sure where Jim Lincoln came up with the idea, imprecatory prayers died out with World War I.

He's mistaken.

I'm also not sure where some of you get the idea that it's all about love.
God hated Esau.

God is a jealous God and on and on. Start reading your Bibles and stop spreading lies.

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News Item6/27/09 3:02 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Cotton,
A. Lincoln said or, wrote:
Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has his own purposes.
from, [URL=en.wikisource.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln%27s_Second_Inaugural_Address]]]Abraham Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address[/URL] . Imprecatory prayer mostly died out with World War I, it should have all died out by then.

and of course Tony is right about taking the Bible literally,

(1 Pet 3:18 NASB) For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=92206122515]]]Principles of Bible Interpretation[/URL]

It is unlimited atonement which is applied in a limited way, through election, [URL=http://www.ihcc.org/images/booklets/pdf/L200.pdf]]]Calvinism & Arminianism[/URL].

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News Item6/27/09 2:34 PM
Kath | CZ  Find all comments by Kath
We need to be praying that these men will repent and be saved! Without Christ we are no better than the "worst" sinner in men's eyes... who are we to decide the only hope is that they will die? What if they publically repented of their past actions and encouraged others to do the same? That would be cool!
I know others have posted this already but I want to add my voice - this guy is NOT acting in accordance with Scripture. Where is the grace?
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News Item6/26/09 1:14 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Mike wrote:
You mean literally like "that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" and "not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world"?
To Answer Your Questions DIRECTLY, Mike/New york:

Yes & Yes !

Now Mike/New york, If you would've answered to the positive (or with the simple word "yes"--As In "Let Your Yeas Be Yeas And Your Nays Nays") to my ORIGINAL question: " 'Mike/New york' Does That Mean That You're An Authorized Biblical LITERALIST Believer In The Authorized English Holy Bible-Scriptures? "; Maybe You Would've NOT Gotten The Response That I Gave You.

But, Because You Answered My Question In The Usual "Jesuitic" Equivocating Fashion: "The Bible should be taken literally where it is meant to be taken literally (and/or figuratively where it should be taken figuratively); you elicited the response from me that you got--

Especially in questioning Why Historic Authorized Biblical LITERALIST Holy-Bible-Only Catholics (aka The Pre/Post Nicean Cathari), like Blaise Pascal & Etc., "gave us the 'Authorized' label" In Referring To The Proper, Right & Correct Translation Of The Authorized Holy Bible-Scriptures To Ever Use!

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News Item6/24/09 3:48 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Mike, Don't Fall For The Lies of "djc49"--We ALL Know Whose Side He's Really On.

Mike, I encourage you to e-mail me personally if you have any questions as to why I responded to your posted comments in the way that I did.

My e-mail address is:

tonyin2002@hotmail.com

I look forward to receiving an e-mail from you soon.

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News Item6/24/09 3:24 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Mike wrote:
You're a strange one, Tony.
You're just finding this out???
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News Item6/24/09 3:15 PM
Mike | New york  Find all comments by Mike
Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
Well, "Mike/New york", Since I Personally Believe (And I Have The Right To Personally Believe What I Want To Believe Here In The U.S.A...Yet) That You Are A Covert Satanic-Vaticanist "Jesuit(ic)" Posting On This Sermonaudio Website To Deceive, If It Were Possible, Even The Very ELECT Of THE ALMIGHTY GOD Of THE AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE-SCRIPTURES--I Will NOT Fall For Your Sly Satanic-"Jesuit(ic)" Inspired Questions, Contentions & Wilely Spiritual/Psychological Craftiness!
---
You're a strange one, Tony. I was agreeing with you on the literal truth of Scripture. Haven't you read any of the discussions I've had with others?

No, I'm not anything covert, but as you say, you have the right to personally believe anything you want to believe. "What I Want To Believe.." That's what people do nowadays, believe what they want, rather than simply believe what is true. If you think I'm an agent for the Jesuits, seeking to deceive you, you are already deceived, and should prayerfully seek to come out of it.

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News Item6/24/09 2:41 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Mike wrote:
You mean literally like "that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" and "not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world"?
Well, "Mike/New york", Since I Personally Believe (And I Have The Right To Personally Believe What I Want To Believe Here In The U.S.A...Yet) That You Are A Covert Satanic-Vaticanist "Jesuit(ic)" Posting On This Sermonaudio Website To Deceive, If It Were Possible, Even The Very ELECT Of THE ALMIGHTY GOD Of THE AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE-SCRIPTURES--I Will NOT Fall For Your Sly Satanic-"Jesuit(ic)" Inspired Questions, Contentions & Wilely Spiritual/Psychological Craftiness!

But, I Will Tell You; As A Former Satanic-Vaticanist & Roman-"Catholic" Cultist of Popish "Jesuitic" Vaticanism (aka Roman-"Catholicism"): That I Once "Literally Took" & "Deceptively Believed" That The "Host" or "Eucharist" Was The LITERAL "Bloodless" Body Of The Lord Jesus Christ At The Roman-"Catholic" Cultic "Mass"--UNTIL I Was Born-Again Spiritually By & Through The AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE-SCRIPTURES--And Have SINCE Been Taught By The TRUE HOLY SPIRIT Of THE AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE-SCRIPTURES To NOT Believe That The "Bread" & "Wine" Of The LORD'S SUPPER Is The LITERAL BODY & BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST !

AMEN !

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News Item6/24/09 2:15 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
The Authorized "Holy Bible" Is Meant To Be Taken LITERALLY ALL The Time--As It Is AUTHORED Or AUTHORIZED By Almighty GOD Himself (Through The 'Holy Men' Of GOD Who Were 'Moved By The Holy Ghost/Spirit) !
I'd Be Wrong To Pick & Choose Which Words You, Yourself, Have Spoken or Written Above--As I Believe That You've Meant That ALL The Words You've Written Above Should Be Taken LITERALLY: As You Have LITERALLY Written Them Down!
Or, Should I Only Take SOME Of The Words You've Written Above FIGURATIVELY--And SOME Of The Words You've Written Above LITERALLY ?
Now, Whose To Say Which Words You've Spoken/Written Above Are LITERAL Or FIGURATIVE ?
Me?
You?
Who?
Well Then, ALMIGHTY GOD, By & Through THE HOLY SPIRIT; Tells ME To Take EVERY Word HE Has Said/Written LITERALLY--Unless HE, By Divine HOLY-SPIRIT(UAL) Illumination, Tells ME Otherwise !
Can You NOW See How FOOLISH It Is To NOT Take GOD'S Word LITERALLY First--Then Figuratively When HE Says So?
You mean literally like "that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" and "not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world"?
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News Item6/24/09 1:41 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Mike wrote:
The Bible should be taken literally where it is meant to be taken literally, Tony. No problem with that. Who was it gave us the "Authorized" label? I don't find that word in Scripture. Scripture refers to scripture, not assigning to itself man-made descriptives like "authorized."
The Authorized "Holy Bible" Is Meant To Be Taken LITERALLY ALL The Time--As IT Is AUTHORED Or AUTHORIZED By ALMIGHTY GOD Himself (Through The 'Holy Men Of GOD' Who Were 'Moved By The Holy Ghost/Spirit') !

I'd Be Wrong To Pick & Choose Which Words You, Yourself, Have Spoken or Written Above--As I Believe You've Meant That ALL The Words You've Written Above Should Be Taken LITERALLY: As You Have LITERALLY Written Them Down!

Or, Should I Only Take SOME Of The Words You've Written Above FIGURATIVELY--And SOME Of The Words You've Written Above LITERALLY ?

Now, Who's To Say Which Words You've Spoken/Written Above Are LITERAL Or FIGURATIVE ?

Me?

You?

WHO ?

Well Then, ALMIGHTY GOD, By & Through THE HOLY SPIRIT; Tells ME To Take EVERY Word HE'S EVER Said/Written LITERALLY--Unless HE, By Divine HOLY-SPIRIT(UAL) Illumination, Tells ME Otherwise!

Can You NOW See How FOOLISH It IS To NOT Take GOD'S Words LITERALLY First--Then Figuratively When HE Says So?

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News Item6/24/09 1:13 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
Wow, "Mike / New york", Does That Mean That You're An Authorized Biblical LITERALIST Believer In The Authorized English Holy Bible-Scriptures ?
The Bible should be taken literally where it is meant to be taken literally, Tony. No problem with that.

Who was it gave us the "Authorized" label? I don't find that word in Scripture. Scripture refers to scripture, not assigning to itself man-made descriptives like "authorized."

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News Item6/24/09 12:38 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Mike wrote:
Yup. As long as your anger is over by sundown, that is.
Wow, "Mike/New york", Does That Mean That You're An Authorized Biblical LITERALIST Believer In The Authorized English Holy Bible-Scriptures?

The Authorized English Holy Bible-Scriptures says:

"Be Ye ANGRY, And Sin Not: Let Not The Sun Go Down Upon Your Wrath:

Neither Give Place To The Devil.

Let Him That Stole Steal No More..." Ephesians 4:26-28

#1.The Authorized Holy Bible-Scriptures Exhorts Us To "Be Ye ANGRY, And Sin Not".

a.We Can & Should Be ANGRY (Especially At or Against SIN).

b.Because In "Be(ing) Ye ANGRY", We Are To "Sin Not" (Against GOD and/or Ourselves).

#2.The Authorized Holy Bible-Scriptures Also Further States: "Let NOT The Sun Go Down Upon Your Wrath".

a.Notice, It Does NOT Say "Let Not The Sun Go Down Upon Your ANGER"; It Says: "Let NOT The Sun Go Down Upon Your WRATH".

b.As ANGER Is Basically "Pre-Born" or "Pre-Meditated" WRATH.

c.ANGER Always Precedes WRATH.

d.WRATH Is Basically The Outward Result Or Consequences Of ANGER.

Thus, I Take It We Can Possibly LET The Sun Go Down Upon Our ANGER ("Pre-meditated/Pre-Born" WRATH)--but We're Commanded To Let NOT The Sun Go Down Upon Our WRATH (Or "Physical Results/Consequences" Of ANGER).

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News Item6/24/09 12:00 PM
Mike | New york  Find all comments by Mike
Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
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#2.The Authorized English Holy Bible-Scriptures states "That whosoever is angry with his brother Without A Cause shall be in danger of the judgement".
#3."WITHOUT A CAUSE" Means WITHOUT A REASON or WITHOUT A JUSTIFICATION.
Yup. As long as your anger is over by sundown, that is.
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News Item6/24/09 11:28 AM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
John UK wrote:
Good points, but the Bible verse is sadly lacking the words "without a cause", which are crucial, note: Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:21-22 KJV There is naught wrong with righteous anger. Without the clause in your Bible, you have a Jesus who sinned when he was angry with fellow Jews. Back to the KJV Jim, me ol' turnip.
I must needs Agree with John UK 100%.

#1.We need to make Sure that we are using The Authorized English Holy Bible-Scriptures (aka KJV-KJB) in our understanding of "Imprecatory Prayers" as We Comment and/or Discuss This Most Serious Subject In The English Language.

#2.The Authorized English Holy Bible-Scriptures states "That whosoever is angry with his brother Without A Cause shall be in danger of the judgement".

#3."WITHOUT A CAUSE" Means WITHOUT A REASON or WITHOUT A JUSTIFICATION.

#4.Imprecatory Prayers ARE WITH A CAUSE & REASON.

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